Coronavirus

[dice]

I don't trust 99% of what China is reporting. These guys are selling faulty tests and used medical masks to the world as we speak. They are rolling out the propaganda machine at this point and diverting attention.

I don't quite get all the animosity towards China. Our own CDC sent out faulty test kits to many providers, which were useless. And our president has been saying one erroneous thing after another. He didn't want to let people off that cruise ship because it would be counted as additional cases inside the USA, which would make him look bad.

China's not going to make or break us, but they were reporting 81,000+ confirmed infections a week ago and the number is essentially the same today. They're under no obligation to openly share their experience so they're not. Fine, but I don't love them for it.

they're obviously under-reporting. i'm perplexed as to why they shared what appeared to be realistic numbers to begin with, though

[Wingy]

Agreed. that seems pretty extreme. I can see taking your shoes off before you go into the house, and throwing away the grocery bags right away, but I wonder how many viruses are really likely to be carried from the hand of whoever stocked the shelves, to the box of cereal, and then onto your hand, and then onto your countertop, and then onto someone else's hand, and then into their bodies.

I’m with you guys as well. While I won’t even consider criticizing anyone who wants to follow these procedures, it just crosses the line for my own life.

This vid has gone viral (oy...can we use that term anymore?) at work because our CEO emailed it out to the company. On my very small team where not everyone explicitly voiced their opinion, there was another who said he felt the same as us.

It’s like Dresden said - all those exchanges, and then there’s the time that goes by between the exchanges, and the time before you actually touch a lot of the food again anyway...it’s likely to be 100% gone, or at much lower concentrations for a significant portion of your groceries.

For me the extra time (one poster wrote 3 hours for the grocery process), the stress/anxiety/paranoia that comes w/this level of risk intolerance...just not worth it (again, just for me personally). When you inevitably miss, and dump 80% of your takeout on the counter...or worse on the floor. When there’s the extra dirty dishes for all the containers. Then I’d bet there’s a pretty good probability you’re going to be consuming some of your disinfectant. How will we ever build immunity to this if everyone goes full-on germaphobe?

Again, I’m not laughing at this, and I support anyone that wants to do it....just not my thing. Also, judging based on this vid alone - Dr. VW seems like a pretty awesome guy who’s presenting the info., and I think it DOES make some people feel better to follow these steps...so kudos to him.

I don’t think you have to view the video literally either. There are conceptual pieces that are pretty easy to incorporate. You can have your delivery guy leave your food on the stoop and then only bring the food in and not the bag. That’s is what Sanjay Gupta says his family does. Maybe it takes a full day to three to completely get rid of surface contamination but wouldn’t be surprised if your delivery guy is the main risk, And that largely limits possible spread during that process.

We’re not going to avoid getting this; just trying not to all get it at once.

I see that as common sense stuff given current guidelines: avoid direct personal interaction as much as possible. Then it’s minimal effort to grab something out of a bag as compared to scrubbing down all the things.

My view is based around risk vs effort. You’re eliminating some level of risk, but how much isn’t well known...and, the effort to realize that unknown (and perhaps minimal) gain seems non-trivial from my perspective.

[Taikuri]

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This is what I've been suspecting about China. They want people working so they cover up these Corona deaths. Doesn't surprise me one a bit and although Wuhan's/Hubei's lock down was strong, I don't believe that the disease didn't spread outside that area of China to other big areas of China and they are covering those deaths too and they won't let press get the real info out and the press is scared to do so. Plus China can control the internet of their country pretty much however they want when needed to block info leaking out. When they donate USA and other countries massive amount of equipment I find it a bit fake too no matter how much equipment it is. It's China that we are talking about who can produce stuff unbeleviably fast.

[disoblige]

I don't trust 99% of what China is reporting. These guys are selling faulty tests and used medical masks to the world as we speak. They are rolling out the propaganda machine at this point and diverting attention.

I don't quite get all the animosity towards China. Our own CDC sent out faulty test kits to many providers, which were useless. And our president has been saying one erroneous thing after another. He didn't want to let people off that cruise ship because it would be counted as additional cases inside the USA, which would make him look bad.

Censoring doctors when SARS like virus was found. Lying about no coronavirus outside Wuhan province. Misleading the International community because the cases and deaths were low. This virus is growing exponentially in China and they were hiding it.

[Dresden]

I don't trust 99% of what China is reporting. These guys are selling faulty tests and used medical masks to the world as we speak. They are rolling out the propaganda machine at this point and diverting attention.

I don't quite get all the animosity towards China. Our own CDC sent out faulty test kits to many providers, which were useless. And our president has been saying one erroneous thing after another. He didn't want to let people off that cruise ship because it would be counted as additional cases inside the USA, which would make him look bad.

Censoring doctors when SARS like virus was found. Lying about no coronavirus outside Wuhan province. Misleading the International community because the cases and deaths were low. This virus is growing exponentially in China and they were hiding it.

Yes, China did behave foolishly early on in the outbreak, but everything I have read about their response since then (other than the conspiracy theories such as some of those mentioned above) is that they have done an admirable and effective job of containing it. The WHO commended them for their success in stopping the number of cases from escalating. Wuhan has reported only 1 new case in the last 10 days. Hubei is set to re-open some shopping areas on Monday. Transportation within the province is starting to resume more of a normal schedule.

Sure, this might all be a hoax. Information out of China is pretty limited. But I believe the WHO does have officials on the ground there, so I'm not sure how much of a cover up would be possible.

I'm just skeptical about China blaming, since it seems to be a common tactic of Trump (who refuses to stop calling it "the Chinese Virus" or "the Wuhan virus") and his administration ("we've been dealt a bad hand by China"). Anything to shift blame or responsibility from themselves and the poor job they've done.

[dice]

I don't trust 99% of what China is reporting. These guys are selling faulty tests and used medical masks to the world as we speak. They are rolling out the propaganda machine at this point and diverting attention.

I don't quite get all the animosity towards China. Our own CDC sent out faulty test kits to many providers, which were useless. And our president has been saying one erroneous thing after another. He didn't want to let people off that cruise ship because it would be counted as additional cases inside the USA, which would make him look bad.

Censoring doctors when SARS like virus was found. Lying about no coronavirus outside Wuhan province. Misleading the International community because the cases and deaths were low. This virus is growing exponentially in China and they were hiding it.

they also alerted the WHO of the virus on dec. 31 (three weeks before the first case was announced in s. korea), sequenced the genome and made the data available to the international community

[disoblige]

I don't quite get all the animosity towards China. Our own CDC sent out faulty test kits to many providers, which were useless. And our president has been saying one erroneous thing after another. He didn't want to let people off that cruise ship because it would be counted as additional cases inside the USA, which would make him look bad.

Censoring doctors when SARS like virus was found. Lying about no coronavirus outside Wuhan province. Misleading the International community because the cases and deaths were low. This virus is growing exponentially in China and they were hiding it.

Yes, China did behave foolishly early on in the outbreak, but everything I have read about their response since then (other than the conspiracy theories such as some of those mentioned above) is that they have done an admirable and effective job of containing it. The WHO commended them for their success in stopping the number of cases from escalating. Wuhan has reported only 1 new case in the last 10 days. Hubei is set to re-open some shopping areas on Monday. Transportation within the province is starting to resume more of a normal schedule.

Sure, this might all be a hoax. Information out of China is pretty limited. But I believe the WHO does have officials on the ground there, so I'm not sure how much of a cover up would be possible.

I'm just skeptical about China blaming, since it seems to be a common tactic of Trump (who refuses to stop calling it "the Chinese Virus" or "the Wuhan virus") and his administration ("we've been dealt a bad hand by China"). Anything to shift blame or responsibility from themselves and the poor job they've done.

They are killing their own people because they dont want their government image to be ruined.

Wuhan nurse
Two nurses in Wuhan, who wished to remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of the pandemic, told the Financial Times of “hidden” infections that met the national criteria for confirmed cases but were not being recognised in the city’s official count, helping to keep it at or near zero.
“The medics I know are all telling me that the hospital and the [National] Health Commission are using all their means to control the new case count,” said one of the nurses.
“It is extremely worrying to continue to publicise ‘zero new cases’. It is very risky and it will turn the sacrifices made in Wuhan and the whole of Hubei to nothing.”

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[disoblige]

they also alerted the WHO of the virus on dec. 31 (three weeks before the first case was announced in s. korea), sequenced the genome and made the data available to the international community

also china publish "no human to human transmission"

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[Taikuri]

I really recommend watching this. It's hands down the best video I've seen on the subject and I learned a TON from it.

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I realize doing all you can to stay safe is the point. The wiping down of groceries just seems like a bridge too far. You won't be perfect.

Even this doctor who is worried that the virus is on the cereal box does not think to disinfect his hands prior to touching the plastic bag inside of the box.

At what point do you just roll with the punches? Honest question, not trying to shame anyone trying to be safe.

Agreed. that seems pretty extreme. I can see taking your shoes off before you go into the house, and throwing away the grocery bags right away, but I wonder how many viruses are really likely to be carried from the hand of whoever stocked the shelves, to the box of cereal, and then onto your hand, and then onto your countertop, and then onto someone else's hand, and then into their bodies.

I didn't watch the video yet but I will soon. For most groceries, paper money, coins and grocery bags, it's better to put these items untouched for 2-3 days so basically quarantine the items if possible. That will save a lot of effort and time. Along with that, wash your hands a lot while making your food.

[Habs72]

Suspicious wet markets are still going strong, if not in China in other Asian countries.

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[Habs72]

Some interesting points how China is/was supervising quarantine and possible infections. And how communist regime controls information.

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[molepharmer]

Guidelines extended to April 30th and the death rate will be greatest in 2 weeks.

Anyone focusing on getting people back to work right now is fooling themselves. Kiss that topic goodbye and bring it back up in a few weeks. The White House finally saying their models are disturbing (50,000 - 100,000 deaths would be a good outcome). Grim press conference today.

Fauci and the White House may be using this projection model (click on the data visualization link):
Shows a peak on April 15 with total accumulated deaths at ~82,000.
http://www.healthdata.org/research-article/forecasting-covid-19-impact-hospital-bed-days-icu-days-ventilator-days-and-deaths

[BahamaBull]

My wife and I were diagnosed with Corona virus 6 days ago.

We felt felt super tired and with a mild shortness of breath...Our 3 year old twins tested negative (i dont know how)...My mother in law whos 68 and was visiting us from Germany has also tested positive and shes doing good at home back in Germany.

In a scale from 1-10 this virus is a solid 7 for me. Had more severe flus in the past. The shortness of breath is gone but we are still feeling a bit tired. Our kids are staying with friends whos really close to us and we are in quarentine at home watching netflix and facetiming with friends and family all day.

I was underestimating the virus at first but this is something you dont want to catch it. Im better now but last week it was a struggle to walk to the kitchen to get a glass of water. Never felt so tired in my life...

The worst thing for me was the mental part. As you are reading and watching so many horrible stories regarding this virus I was affraid of going to sleep and never wake up again. That was by far the worst "synthome" for me.

Hope all of you are doing well.

A small update from us...

Me and wife are doing very well!

I think the only synthome now is a bit of dizziness...Especially when I stand up...But I think this is related to staying in bed for days and weaker muscles.

We are still in quarantine until next friday (if all the sythoms are gone of course and it is our next doctors appointment) but we decided to have the kids back only in 2 weeks from now...I dont think even the doctors know much about the disease so we are taking a conservative approach.

Although we are not officially cured we feel the worst is behind us and we are ready to move on with our lives.

I would like to thank everybody on REALGM for the kind messages. Im a memeber since 2005 and I trully consider this board part of my family.

Thanks once again to all of you and good luck!

[dougthonus]

One of my friends' father is in the ICU with Coronavirus now. He seems to be responding well so far and the projection is positive at this point, but still very scary for his family.

[Ccwatercraft]

I really recommend watching this. It's hands down the best video I've seen on the subject and I learned a TON from it.

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I realize doing all you can to stay safe is the point. The wiping down of groceries just seems like a bridge too far. You won't be perfect.

Even this doctor who is worried that the virus is on the cereal box does not think to disinfect his hands prior to touching the plastic bag inside of the box.

At what point do you just roll with the punches? Honest question, not trying to shame anyone trying to be safe.

I'm on the same page with you on this, I did watch it, and i'm doing about 1/2 of what he recommended, and yes I noticed the box of cereal thing, oops.

Basically i'm for the most part rolling with the punches since i'm still going to the store about 3x a week, but that has been tapering off from daily, to every other, so i'm getting better about it. I'm working from home and only going to the office after hours, we're splitting shifts and keeping to our space whenever possible.

re: precautions/lack of: My spouse is considered essential so going to work is unavoidable and the foot traffic is lighter but still there, so frankly any precautions I take are negated somewhat by that exposure anyway.

My only theory is to reduce exposure to a reasonable level, the less the better but sorry, I don't think i'm going to get to the level in the video considering the spousal exposure, there is only so much I can do with that.

[Dresden]

My wife and I were diagnosed with Corona virus 6 days ago.

We felt felt super tired and with a mild shortness of breath...Our 3 year old twins tested negative (i dont know how)...My mother in law whos 68 and was visiting us from Germany has also tested positive and shes doing good at home back in Germany.

In a scale from 1-10 this virus is a solid 7 for me. Had more severe flus in the past. The shortness of breath is gone but we are still feeling a bit tired. Our kids are staying with friends whos really close to us and we are in quarentine at home watching netflix and facetiming with friends and family all day.

I was underestimating the virus at first but this is something you dont want to catch it. Im better now but last week it was a struggle to walk to the kitchen to get a glass of water. Never felt so tired in my life...

The worst thing for me was the mental part. As you are reading and watching so many horrible stories regarding this virus I was affraid of going to sleep and never wake up again. That was by far the worst "synthome" for me.

Hope all of you are doing well.

A small update from us...

Me and wife are doing very well!

I think the only synthome now is a bit of dizziness...Especially when I stand up...But I think this is related to staying in bed for days and weaker muscles.

We are still in quarantine until next friday (if all the sythoms are gone of course and it is our next doctors appointment) but we decided to have the kids back only in 2 weeks from now...I dont think even the doctors know much about the disease so we are taking a conservative approach.

Although we are not officially cured we feel the worst is behind us and we are ready to move on with our lives.

I would like to thank everybody on REALGM for the kind messages. Im a memeber since 2005 and I trully consider this board part of my family.

Thanks once again to all of you and good luck!

Awesome. That's great to hear, and now just think- you're probably immune for at least a couple of years!

[Michael Jackson]

Interesting chart nothing really new but look at the curves, ours is ramping up in the wrong way. We are at the doubling every 3 days but it is moving towards two days. Obviously the countries who have had it longer are much closer to flat.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/21/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-by-country.html?auth=login-google1tap&campaign_id=9&emc=edit_NN_p_20200330&instance_id=17179&login=google1tap&nl=morning-briefing&regi_id=122957842&section=topNews&segment_id=23277&te=1&user_id=0a95a51dafc4c03d985fd61b170735eb

[BahamaBull]

My wife and I were diagnosed with Corona virus 6 days ago.

We felt felt super tired and with a mild shortness of breath...Our 3 year old twins tested negative (i dont know how)...My mother in law whos 68 and was visiting us from Germany has also tested positive and shes doing good at home back in Germany.

In a scale from 1-10 this virus is a solid 7 for me. Had more severe flus in the past. The shortness of breath is gone but we are still feeling a bit tired. Our kids are staying with friends whos really close to us and we are in quarentine at home watching netflix and facetiming with friends and family all day.

I was underestimating the virus at first but this is something you dont want to catch it. Im better now but last week it was a struggle to walk to the kitchen to get a glass of water. Never felt so tired in my life...

The worst thing for me was the mental part. As you are reading and watching so many horrible stories regarding this virus I was affraid of going to sleep and never wake up again. That was by far the worst "synthome" for me.

Hope all of you are doing well.

A small update from us...

Me and wife are doing very well!

I think the only synthome now is a bit of dizziness...Especially when I stand up...But I think this is related to staying in bed for days and weaker muscles.

We are still in quarantine until next friday (if all the sythoms are gone of course and it is our next doctors appointment) but we decided to have the kids back only in 2 weeks from now...I dont think even the doctors know much about the disease so we are taking a conservative approach.

Although we are not officially cured we feel the worst is behind us and we are ready to move on with our lives.

I would like to thank everybody on REALGM for the kind messages. Im a memeber since 2005 and I trully consider this board part of my family.

Thanks once again to all of you and good luck!

Awesome. That's great to hear, and now just think- you're probably immune for at least a couple of years!

"probably" - Docs said to us viruses tend to mutate...We dont know how fast corona can mutate...

Thanks for the message.

All the best!

[Michael Jackson]

Here is also an article from a friend of mine about his experience with the virus and hi getting out of Italy

http://www.chicagomag.com/arts-culture/March-2020/tim-kinsella-coronavirus-italy-covid/