2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[HEZI]

The fact that he can hit pull up jumpers off the dribble.. stepbacks.. and then be a dominating force in the paint is just terrifying. Better hope he's not in the east if the Knicks don't get him

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i like wiseman but drafting a big when we have a huge hole at pg?

He didnt exactly show anything elite in the 3 college games that mitchell cant already do. Not to say he doesnt have the potential to be the next great big i just dont see the game changing skill set he'd bring to the team that puts him in the "must have" category. He's a safe pick none the least though. i dont feel its a pick thats really gonna give us that push we need and if he's not draining the long ball Or midrange at a respectable percentage you might as well just add him to the collection of bigs we have that need the ball around the rim to be truly effective =/

He showed mid range in college and was dominant in the paint tho. Mitch can’t do that. Mitch is just a rim runner. That’s the big difference between them.

I get we need a PG but we need the best player available. Like moocow and others have said, nobody on this team should stop us from drafting anybody. Wiseman has more star potential than all of the point guards. Just draft Kira Lewis with another pick or sign Fred van fleet. Or tank for a Pg next year. What’s the rush anyways? We gonna be ass for the next couple of years. Lol

I hate this mindset that we need to draft a point guard no matter what. The Knicks need star players. That should be the priority. This is the same argument I had with yall about Tatum. Many of you guys kept saying you did not want to draft Tatum because we need a point guard so bad. Even as going as far saying drafting Frank over Tatum should be the move Hell yall was on that same Bs with Garland last season and he’s terrible...

Spoiler:

[HEZI]

I don't know how anybody could have watched the Knicks for the last 3 years at the least and especially last season and not come to the realization that the team needs better guards. Get better guards! Stop giving big men guard responsibilities and think you will be fine. You won't! Stop it already

[3toheadmelo]

i like wiseman but drafting a big when we have a huge hole at pg?

He didnt exactly show anything elite in the 3 college games that mitchell cant already do. Not to say he doesnt have the potential to be the next great big i just dont see the game changing skill set he'd bring to the team that puts him in the "must have" category. He's a safe pick none the least though. i dont feel its a pick thats really gonna give us that push we need and if he's not draining the long ball Or midrange at a respectable percentage you might as well just add him to the collection of bigs we have that need the ball around the rim to be truly effective =/

He showed mid range in college and was dominant in the paint tho. Mitch can’t do that. Mitch is just a rim runner. That’s the big difference between them.

I get we need a PG but we need the best player available. Like moocow and others have said, nobody on this team should stop us from drafting anybody. Wiseman has more star potential than all of the point guards. Just draft Kira Lewis with another pick or sign Fred van fleet. Or tank for a Pg next year. What’s the rush anyways? We gonna be ass for the next couple of years. Lol

I hate this mindset that we need to draft a point guard no matter what. The Knicks need star players. That should be the priority. This is the same argument I had with yall about Tatum. Many of you guys kept saying you did not want to draft Tatum because we need a point guard so bad. Even as going as far saying drafting Frank over Tatum should be the move Hell yall was on that same Bs with Garland last season and he’s terrible...

Spoiler:

Y’all was killing me last year when I said Garland ain’t it and he’s proving me right...


But he’s a rookie so I’ll let you live. Lol. But ultimately I do not see the the next Lillard in him like you guys keep saying. He is more like Jeff Teague to me. He will be solid eventually but nothing to cry over. Much rather have RJ and tons of other players in the draft over him.

[3toheadmelo]

I don't know how anybody could have watched the Knicks for the last 3 years at the least and especially last season and not come to the realization that the team needs better guards. Get better guards! Stop giving big men guard responsibilities and think you will be fine. You won't! Stop it already

Don’t be putting words in my mouth lol. I ain’t say all that. It’s simple to me. The Knicks need star players. Take the best player in the draft who has the most star potential. Wiseman just happens to have more star potential than all the other point guards. The only one that is debatable is Lamelo.

Of course the Knicks need better point guards. I never said we didn’t. But I’m not taking a considerably worse point guard over Wiseman. People here wanted to do the same thing and wanted Frank over Tatum. Nah I’m good.

[Deeeez Knicks]

We should draft BPA, but I just don't see Wiseman as all that. I think he can be good, just don't think he's anything great. Not even sure he would end up being more valuable then Mitch...not saying he won't either, but it's far from a guarantee. Some of that is not selling Mitch short since he just broke the record for fg% and is a beast on defense. Part of it is there looks like some flaws in Wiseman's game too, that we didnt see fully due to missing a lot of games.

Top 3 I think I would prefer Ball/Edwards/Hayes and roll the dice on them with Mitch/RJ/etc.

[HEZI]

He showed mid range in college and was dominant in the paint tho. Mitch can’t do that. Mitch is just a rim runner. That’s the big difference between them.

I get we need a PG but we need the best player available. Like moocow and others have said, nobody on this team should stop us from drafting anybody. Wiseman has more star potential than all of the point guards. Just draft Kira Lewis with another pick or sign Fred van fleet. Or tank for a Pg next year. What’s the rush anyways? We gonna be ass for the next couple of years. Lol

I hate this mindset that we need to draft a point guard no matter what. The Knicks need star players. That should be the priority. This is the same argument I had with yall about Tatum. Many of you guys kept saying you did not want to draft Tatum because we need a point guard so bad. Even as going as far saying drafting Frank over Tatum should be the move Hell yall was on that same Bs with Garland last season and he’s terrible...

Spoiler:

Y’all was killing me last year when I said Garland ain’t it and he’s proving me right...


But he’s a rookie so I’ll let you live. Lol. But ultimately I do not see the the next Lillard in him like you guys keep saying. He is more like Jeff Teague to me. He will be solid eventually but nothing to cry over. Much rather have RJ and tons of other players in the draft over him.

Jeff Teague was in his 3rd year at the age of 23 by the time he was able to put up anything remotely similar to Garland in his rookie year

Despite what you say, Garland would easily be the best guard on the Knicks, easily, and he would easily be the best guard we would have drafted in a very long time. Comparing him to his peers from the draft class, really other than Zion and Morant there is nobody who is in some category above Garland. You can have your preferences, that's fine, but you don't have a strong case for picking anybody above Garland other than just having preferences.

[spree8]

I don't know how anybody could have watched the Knicks for the last 3 years at the least and especially last season and not come to the realization that the team needs better guards. Get better guards! Stop giving big men guard responsibilities and think you will be fine. You won't! Stop it already

We don’t have to draft a pg this year... could get one thru trade or let RJ handle the rock more and run the offense thru him for a season to see how he does. Pick n roll/pop with him n Wiseman would be nice.

[HEZI]

I don't know how anybody could have watched the Knicks for the last 3 years at the least and especially last season and not come to the realization that the team needs better guards. Get better guards! Stop giving big men guard responsibilities and think you will be fine. You won't! Stop it already

Don’t be putting words in my mouth lol. I ain’t say all that. It’s simple to me. The Knicks need star players. Take the best player in the draft who has the most star potential. Wiseman just happens to have more star potential than all the other point guards. The only one that is debatable is Lamelo.

Of course the Knicks need better point guards. I never said we didn’t. But I’m not taking a considerably worse point guard over Wiseman. People here wanted to do the same thing and wanted Frank over Tatum. Nah I’m good.

You didn't have to say it, it's what we would be doing by default. Wiseman is an under the basket big, who we would draft to play with the weakest guards in the league and a terrible perimeter team in a perimeter based league. What do you think will happen? Wiseman won't be shyt on the Knicks because his weakness offensively only adds to what the Knicks currently have. He's not adding any missing dynamic which the Knicks currently don't have.

Now if the Knicks could somehow improve their guards before the draft pick or very soon after it, I could see it making sense, but there is very little hope for that. Hard to see a trade where that happens, hard to see it happening in free agency also, the draft is where it needs to get solved.

[WargamesX]

We need to draft a PG. Even if the plan is give RJ more shots and more options as a ball handler. There needs to be a PG besides him who can shoot the 3 ball and open the lane for him.

[HEZI]

I don't know how anybody could have watched the Knicks for the last 3 years at the least and especially last season and not come to the realization that the team needs better guards. Get better guards! Stop giving big men guard responsibilities and think you will be fine. You won't! Stop it already

We don’t have to draft a pg this year... could get one thru trade or let RJ handle the rock more and run the offense thru him for a season to see how he does. Pick n roll/pop with him n Wiseman would be nice.

What starting caliber PG are we getting via trade? Sure RJ can handle the rock more but having watched RJ for the year, is a pick and roll bigman really the missing ingredient to maximize his skills? The priority needs to be floor spacing, ball handling and perimeter play in the form of guards. Really the last thing we should be looking for right now is a rim running big that will rely on those very same things in order to succeed and we don't have that. Instead of looking to open up the floor like every team in the league has and continues to do, we are looking for different ways to shrink the floor and just play under the basket, it makes no sense whatsoever.

[god shammgod]

this man still trying to put wiseman & randle together in the front court. dear lord.

[mpharris36]

this man still trying to put wiseman & randle together in the front court. dear lord.

girl in the front - everyone on REALGM having to watch a Randle/Wiseman pairing

girl in the back - Melo

[HEZI]

We need to draft a PG. Even if the plan is give RJ more shots and more options as a ball handler. There needs to be a PG besides him who can shoot the 3 ball and open the lane for him.

It doesn't have to be a PG if we have an opportunity to draft a perimeter player like Anthony Edwards, that would be an exception. RJ and Edwards would compliment each other really well and we could add a ball handler, shooter, finisher while not necessarily picking a "PG" but that's one scenario where it would be ok. Edwards could be the best player in the draft or at the very least the best pure scorer in this draft. Edwards at the 2 and RJ at the 3 would work and yes we would still need a starting PG but Edwards would at least add something to the starting lineup that we don't have and help make us more of a perimeter threat.

[mpharris36]

We need to draft a PG. Even if the plan is give RJ more shots and more options as a ball handler. There needs to be a PG besides him who can shoot the 3 ball and open the lane for him.

It doesn't have to be a PG if we have an opportunity to draft a perimeter player like Anthony Edwards, that would be an exception. RJ and Edwards would compliment each other really well and we could add a ball handler, shooter, finisher while not necessarily picking a "PG" but that's one scenario where it would be ok. Edwards could be the best player in the draft or at the very least the best pure scorer in this draft. Edwards at the 2 and RJ at the 3 would work and yes we would still need a starting PG but Edwards would at least add something to the starting lineup that we don't have and help make us more of a perimeter threat.

I think my ideal offseason would be to draft Edwards and replace Randle with Wood (or to a lesser extent Bertans).

Then I would start

Frank
Edwards
RJ
Wood
Mitch

you would have great perimeter and interior defense with Frank and Mitch. Frank would be the initiator of the offense but will allow Edwards and RJ to do most of the creating. Wood provides more spacing a shooting from a big this team desperately needs.

I would love to grab someone like Saddiq Bey, Jordan Nwora, maybe even a Tre Jones as a backup PG...with our clippers picks and early 2nd and pair them with Knox, Wooten, and maybe a vet like Bullock.

[HEZI]

We need to draft a PG. Even if the plan is give RJ more shots and more options as a ball handler. There needs to be a PG besides him who can shoot the 3 ball and open the lane for him.

It doesn't have to be a PG if we have an opportunity to draft a perimeter player like Anthony Edwards, that would be an exception. RJ and Edwards would compliment each other really well and we could add a ball handler, shooter, finisher while not necessarily picking a "PG" but that's one scenario where it would be ok. Edwards could be the best player in the draft or at the very least the best pure scorer in this draft. Edwards at the 2 and RJ at the 3 would work and yes we would still need a starting PG but Edwards would at least add something to the starting lineup that we don't have and help make us more of a perimeter threat.

I think my ideal offseason would be to draft Edwards and replace Randle with Wood (or to a lesser extent Bertans).

Then I would start

Frank
Edwards
RJ
Wood
Mitch

you would have great perimeter and interior defense with Frank and Mitch. Frank would be the initiator of the offense but will allow Edwards and RJ to do most of the creating. Wood provides more spacing a shooting from a big this team desperately needs.

I would love to grab someone like Saddiq Bey, Jordan Nwora, maybe even a Tre Jones as a backup PG...with our clippers picks and early 2nd and pair them with Knox, Wooten, and maybe a vet like Bullock.

I like that offseason a lot, although I see Tre Jones as the better fit as a starting PG than Frank. But that would be a really nice complementary young core.

Tre Jones
Anthony Edwards
RJ Barrett
Christian Wood

[3toheadmelo]

Spoiler:

Y’all was killing me last year when I said Garland ain’t it and he’s proving me right...


But he’s a rookie so I’ll let you live. Lol. But ultimately I do not see the the next Lillard in him like you guys keep saying. He is more like Jeff Teague to me. He will be solid eventually but nothing to cry over. Much rather have RJ and tons of other players in the draft over him.

Jeff Teague was in his 3rd year at the age of 23 by the time he was able to put up anything remotely similar to Garland in his rookie year

Despite what you say, Garland would easily be the best guard on the Knicks, easily, and he would easily be the best guard we would have drafted in a very long time. Comparing him to his peers from the draft class, really other than Zion and Morant there is nobody who is in some category above Garland. You can have your preferences, that's fine, but you don't have a strong case for picking anybody above Garland other than just having preferences.

Garland is not even better than Payton. That's how bad he was. The dude shot 40% from the field, has a PER of just 8 (which is pretty impressive to be that terrible), averaged just 3.9 assists a game, which shows that he is a medicore playmaker. On top of that, he is in the top 3 of worst defensive point guards in the LEAGUE. If not, the worst.

I would rather have Zion, RJ, Hunter, Coby White, Rui Hachimura, Cam Reddish, Tyler Herro, Brandon Clarke, Kevin Porter Jr, etc over Garland. Garland sucks. So yeah, I have a pretty strong case for picking anybody above Garland. Lol

And Jeff Teague averaged like 10 minutes per game in his first two years. So your point is moot. If he was given the same opportunity like Garland then he would've putten up similar numbers to him. And Teague in his 3rd year was WAY more efficient than Garland is right now. And overall a much better player.

[mpharris36]

It doesn't have to be a PG if we have an opportunity to draft a perimeter player like Anthony Edwards, that would be an exception. RJ and Edwards would compliment each other really well and we could add a ball handler, shooter, finisher while not necessarily picking a "PG" but that's one scenario where it would be ok. Edwards could be the best player in the draft or at the very least the best pure scorer in this draft. Edwards at the 2 and RJ at the 3 would work and yes we would still need a starting PG but Edwards would at least add something to the starting lineup that we don't have and help make us more of a perimeter threat.

I think my ideal offseason would be to draft Edwards and replace Randle with Wood (or to a lesser extent Bertans).

Then I would start

Frank
Edwards
RJ
Wood
Mitch

you would have great perimeter and interior defense with Frank and Mitch. Frank would be the initiator of the offense but will allow Edwards and RJ to do most of the creating. Wood provides more spacing a shooting from a big this team desperately needs.

I would love to grab someone like Saddiq Bey, Jordan Nwora, maybe even a Tre Jones as a backup PG...with our clippers picks and early 2nd and pair them with Knox, Wooten, and maybe a vet like Bullock.

I like that offseason a lot, although I see Tre Jones as the better fit as a starting PG than Frank. But that would be a really nice complementary young core.

Tre Jones
Anthony Edwards
RJ Barrett
Christian Wood

I think Frank is the better shooter (especially catch and shoot guy and he is going into his 4th year) so he would get the start. But Tre Jones would be a nice complimentary player in terms of if he outplays him and gets the start they both do similar things. Great defenders, solid pg's in terms of distributing.

But I would build my team interchangeably.

the two most important positions defensively we would have Frank/Tre Jones and Mitch/Wooten defending P&R's which would be some of the best defense in the entire league.

Then I would have Edwards and RJ doing most of what they do best with shooters around then like Wood/Bertans/Knox/Nwora or Bey/Iggy/Bullock.

We would have the semblance of a modern day NBA roster.

[3toheadmelo]

I don't know how anybody could have watched the Knicks for the last 3 years at the least and especially last season and not come to the realization that the team needs better guards. Get better guards! Stop giving big men guard responsibilities and think you will be fine. You won't! Stop it already

Don’t be putting words in my mouth lol. I ain’t say all that. It’s simple to me. The Knicks need star players. Take the best player in the draft who has the most star potential. Wiseman just happens to have more star potential than all the other point guards. The only one that is debatable is Lamelo.

Of course the Knicks need better point guards. I never said we didn’t. But I’m not taking a considerably worse point guard over Wiseman. People here wanted to do the same thing and wanted Frank over Tatum. Nah I’m good.

You didn't have to say it, it's what we would be doing by default. Wiseman is an under the basket big, who we would draft to play with the weakest guards in the league and a terrible perimeter team in a perimeter based league. What do you think will happen? Wiseman won't be shyt on the Knicks because his weakness offensively only adds to what the Knicks currently have. He's not adding any missing dynamic which the Knicks currently don't have.

Now if the Knicks could somehow improve their guards before the draft pick or very soon after it, I could see it making sense, but there is very little hope for that. Hard to see a trade where that happens, hard to see it happening in free agency also, the draft is where it needs to get solved.

Wiseman actually adds a dominanting post presense to the team. Nobody on our team can do what he does. Thats why Wiseman is projected to go top 3 in the draft. And who cares if we have poor point guard play next season. That means our tank will be even stronger. Just draft a point guard next year. I don't know what the rush is for. Or like I said you can draft Kira Lewis, Tre Jones, etc with our other picks. Or sign Fred Van Fleet. You keep acting like if the Knicks don't get a point guard this draft, then we'll never get one. Lol

[3toheadmelo]

this man still trying to put wiseman & randle together in the front court. dear lord.

girl in the front - everyone on REALGM having to watch a Randle/Wiseman pairing

girl in the back - Melo

You were one of them that wanted to draft Frank over Tatum. Have plenty of seats

[3toheadmelo]

this man still trying to put wiseman & randle together in the front court. dear lord.