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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1741 » by Michael Jackson » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:43 pm

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A small update from us...

Me and wife are doing very well!

I think the only synthome now is a bit of dizziness...Especially when I stand up...But I think this is related to staying in bed for days and weaker muscles.

We are still in quarantine until next friday (if all the sythoms are gone of course and it is our next doctors appointment) but we decided to have the kids back only in 2 weeks from now...I dont think even the doctors know much about the disease so we are taking a conservative approach.

Although we are not officially cured we feel the worst is behind us and we are ready to move on with our lives.

I would like to thank everybody on REALGM for the kind messages. Im a memeber since 2005 and I trully consider this board part of my family.

Thanks once again to all of you and good luck!


Awesome. That's great to hear, and now just think- you're probably immune for at least a couple of years!


"probably" - Docs said to us viruses tend to mutate...We dont know how fast corona can mutate...

Thanks for the message.

All the best!



It will mutate for sure, but even with that your body is more prepared than mine is for the net version of it. Not saying you can't get it but you are in a better spot (well unless it hits you right now with your immune system weakened which is unlikely)
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Post#1742 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:48 pm

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dice wrote:they also alerted the WHO of the virus on dec. 31 (three weeks before the first case was announced in s. korea), sequenced the genome and made the data available to the international community




also china publish "no human to human transmission"


That video was obviously shot at the very beginning of the outbreak. And yes, they did say some things that were not true at the time. Just as our own president announced that "in a few weeks, there will be zero cases here", and "we have this under control".
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Post#1743 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:57 pm

On a positive note, new cases in Italy, UK and Spain are starting to decline. Hopefully we will see that in the USA soon too.
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Post#1744 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:14 pm

This is a good article on how the virus is spread:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/analyzing-patterns-trumps-falsehoods-coronavirus-140832644.html


"It might seem unlikely that a virus could spread effectively from surfaces, but research shows the opposite. Scientists from the American Society for Microbiology demonstrated that inside two to four hours, a harmless virus placed on a doorknob or tabletop in an office could be detected on 40% to 60% of workers, visitors and other surfaces. And the area that was infected first? The break room.

Poor hygiene contributes to the spread of viruses on high-touch surfaces. This is why regular and proper hand washing is vital.
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Can you catch coronavirus from food?

Is that pizza delivery safe? The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is telling us that ‘currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19.’ SARS-CoV-2 cannot survive for extended periods on surfaces. The level of virus decreases over time, unlike bacteria that can multiply on surfaces, including food.

Supermarket food, or that delivery food, comes in a package of some sort. That packaging material is a surface that technically could be infected with COVID-19 if an infected person sneezed or coughed onto it. It’s, therefore, a good idea to wash your hands if you’ve been handling food packaging from an outside source. Even in more normal times, the food we eat is produced to a high standard that aims to eliminate foodborne pathogens.

People that work in the food industry are trained and aware of good practices for food safety.Most food we eat is cooked in some way. The cooking process for most food would kill the virus. Plus, the stomach is extremely acidic, so if a virus made its way there on the food you eat, it’s unlikely to survive."
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1745 » by disoblige » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:22 pm

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disoblige wrote:
dice wrote:they also alerted the WHO of the virus on dec. 31 (three weeks before the first case was announced in s. korea), sequenced the genome and made the data available to the international community




also china publish "no human to human transmission"


That video was obviously shot at the very beginning of the outbreak. And yes, they did say some things that were not true at the time. Just as our own president announced that "in a few weeks, there will be zero cases here", and "we have this under control".


Not in the beginning, this was 1 month later. They still continue with their false information and propaganda.

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December 6: According to a study in The Lancet, the symptom onset date of the first patient identified was “Dec 1, 2019 . . . 5 days after illness onset, his wife, a 53-year-old woman who had no known history of exposure to the market, also presented with pneumonia and was hospitalized in the isolation ward.” In other words, as early as the second week of December, Wuhan doctors were finding cases that indicated the virus was spreading from one human to another.

December 21: Wuhan doctors begin to notice a “cluster of pneumonia cases with an unknown cause.”

December 25: Chinese medical staff in two hospitals in Wuhan are suspected of contracting viral pneumonia and are quarantined. This is additional strong evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Sometime in “Late December”: Wuhan hospitals notice “an exponential increase” in the number of cases that cannot be linked back to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.

December 30: Dr. Li Wenliang sent a message to a group of other doctors warning them about a possible outbreak of an illness that resembled severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), urging them to take protective measures against infection.

January 3: The Chinese government continued efforts to suppress all information about the virus: “China’s National Health Commission, the nation’s top health authority, ordered institutions not to publish any information related to the unknown disease, and ordered labs to transfer any samples they had to designated testing institutions, or to destroy them.”

Roughly one month after the first cases in Wuhan, the United States government is notified. Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, gets initial reports about a new coronavirus from Chinese colleagues, according to Health and Human Services secretary Alex Azar. Azar, who helped manage the response at HHS to earlier SARS and anthrax outbreaks, told his chief of staff to make sure the National Security Council was informed.

Also on this day, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission released another statement, repeating, “As of now, preliminary investigations have shown no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infections.”

January 4: While Chinese authorities continued to insist that the virus could not spread from one person to another, doctors outside that country weren’t so convinced. The head of the University of Hong Kong’s Centre for Infection, Ho Pak-leung, warned that “the city should implement the strictest possible monitoring system for a mystery new viral pneumonia that has infected dozens of people on the mainland, as it is highly possible that the illness is spreading from human to human.”

January 5: The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission put out a statement with updated numbers of cases but repeated, “preliminary investigations have shown no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infections.”

January 6: The New York Times publishes its first report about the virus, declaring that “59 people in the central city of Wuhan have been sickened by a pneumonia-like illness.” That first report included these comments:

Wang Linfa, an expert on emerging infectious diseases at the Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore, said he was frustrated that scientists in China were not allowed to speak to him about the outbreak. Dr. Wang said, however, that he thought the virus was likely not spreading from humans to humans because health workers had not contracted the disease. “We should not go into panic mode,” he said.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1746 » by HomoSapien » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:24 pm

I'm disappointed that so many people are being negative towards Dr. VanWingen's video. To each their own. We're facing a once in a lifetime pandemic. Pandemic's aren't supposed to be convenient, but I suppose each of us has to decide for his or herself if inconveniences outweigh trying to fully protect yourself and anyone you may encounter. I'd understand if this was just some random person on the internet giving advice, but you guys are choosing to dismiss a medical doctor. If his credentials won't convince you, the pure look of anguish on his face should.

Today alone Trump's office announced that if we do everything right then we'll likely see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths. I'm not sure how we'll get there if intelligent people in this thread are complaining about having to wipe their groceries with a Clorox wipe, thoroughly wash their fruit, or only being able to go to the store three times a week as if that's some grand sacrifice.
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Post#1747 » by HomoSapien » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:27 pm

Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?
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Post#1748 » by League Circles » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:55 pm

HomoSapien wrote:I'm disappointed that so many people are being negative towards Dr. VanWingen's video. To each their own. We're facing a once in a lifetime pandemic. Pandemic's aren't supposed to be convenient, but I suppose each of us has to decide for his or herself if inconveniences outweigh trying to fully protect yourself and anyone you may encounter. I'd understand if this was just some random person on the internet giving advice, but you guys are choosing to dismiss a medical doctor. If his credentials won't convince you, the pure look of anguish on his face should.

Today alone Trump's office announced that if we do everything right then we'll likely see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths. I'm not sure how we'll get there if intelligent people in this thread are complaining about having to wipe their groceries with a Clorox wipe, thoroughly wash their fruit, or only being able to go to the store three times a week as if that's some grand sacrifice.

3 times a week! That's outright irresponsible. People should be going once a week max.

I haven't watched the video in question but will try to. I've been wiping groceries with clorox wipes since this started and I read about how long the virus can live on surfaces. I literally wipe them in the parking lot of costco before I put them in my car so my trunk stays relatively "sterile". When I have to go to a job site for work, I wear outer clothes and completely shed them in a garbage bag which later goes straight into the washing machine. I shed the outer clothes and shoes before I even get into my car. I could give a **** about how silly it may appear to some. This disease is nasty even if unlikely fatal. The day I care about embarassment when trying to avoid hospitalization or death.
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Post#1749 » by League Circles » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:01 pm

My good friend is a surgeon around here and is ordering more takeout food than ever. Honestly I don't get it. We literally went in opposite directions lol. He went from never having takeout to having it every day (I assume to support local businesses which is virtuous but IMO not prudent), and me going from having takeout all the time to having it zero times. The fewer times I can leave the house or interact with someone the better.
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Post#1750 » by League Circles » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:03 pm

HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?

It's an interesting question. I grew up wearing shoes all the time inside and as an adult I essentially never do. In traditional American culture I think it's sort of a form of polite formality to keep your shoes on.
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Post#1751 » by Habs72 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:16 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?

It's an interesting question. I grew up wearing shoes all the time inside and as an adult I essentially never do. In traditional American culture I think it's sort of a form of polite formality to keep your shoes on.


Yea, its less polite to bring all the **** from outside to inside, i guess some are using wall-to-wall carpets aswell :crazy: ...more polite to let your feet juicing up in the shoes too :lol: .
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Post#1752 » by League Circles » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:21 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?

It's an interesting question. I grew up wearing shoes all the time inside and as an adult I essentially never do. In traditional American culture I think it's sort of a form of polite formality to keep your shoes on.


Yea, its less polite to bring all the **** from outside to inside, i guess some are using wall-to-wall carpets aswell :crazy: ...more polite to let your feet juicing up in the shoes too :lol: .

Obviously things like politeness and formality differ across cultures. In Saudi Arabia their style of dress is considered formal whereas in America it would be looked at as a "robe". I think the shoes thing is related to stinky feet and the clumsy awkwardness that results from everyone taking off their shoes at the door. I just felt like chiming in cause I've experienced both ways for roughly half of my life each. The people that don't take off their shoes also do other things that are elevated hygiene over those who do always take off shoes. It's a mixed bag.
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Post#1753 » by dougthonus » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:31 pm

HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?


Sometimes people do it because their own floors are dirty. We don't wear shoes inside, but if we have a party we will often tell people they can keep their shoes on then clean up afterwards (wouldn't do that in winter though).
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Post#1754 » by HomoSapien » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:34 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?


Sometimes people do it because their own floors are dirty. We don't wear shoes inside, but if we have a party we will often tell people they can keep their shoes on then clean up afterwards (wouldn't do that in winter though).


That's a different situation, I mean for a day to day living.
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Post#1755 » by kulaz3000 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:21 pm

HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?


I always thought that was a western cultural thing. Being Asian, it's just cultural to take off your shoes before entering your home, and I remember my western friends always thinking I was odd for taking off my shoes.

It goes to show that it take something like this to put a spotlight on bad hygiene, even the most obvious of them.
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Post#1756 » by dumbell78 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:13 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?


I always thought that was a western cultural thing. Being Asian, it's just cultural to take off your shoes before entering your home, and I remember my western friends always thinking I was odd for taking off my shoes.

It goes to show that it take something like this to put a spotlight on bad hygiene, even the most obvious of them.


Its totally cultural. Growing up in my parents house, if you walk in with shoes you would get a smack across the head (from mom) lol. We take our shoes off and have indoor slippers, its not an option. I'm married and have a fam of my own, its the same thing. Daughter is 5 and she knows she has to take off her shoes before walking in the house. Its second nature to us all.
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Post#1757 » by Michael Jackson » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:13 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?

It's an interesting question. I grew up wearing shoes all the time inside and as an adult I essentially never do. In traditional American culture I think it's sort of a form of polite formality to keep your shoes on.



I grew up with shoes on in the house, but I was in our old basement a lot and we had hardwood floors everywhere. My mother was a clean freak to and constantly cleaned. I actually loathe being barefoot much though so we take off shoes in my house but it is flip flops in the house.
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Post#1758 » by Michael Jackson » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:16 pm

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League Circles wrote:It's an interesting question. I grew up wearing shoes all the time inside and as an adult I essentially never do. In traditional American culture I think it's sort of a form of polite formality to keep your shoes on.


Yea, its less polite to bring all the **** from outside to inside, i guess some are using wall-to-wall carpets aswell :crazy: ...more polite to let your feet juicing up in the shoes too :lol: .

Obviously things like politeness and formality differ across cultures. In Saudi Arabia their style of dress is considered formal whereas in America it would be looked at as a "robe". I think the shoes thing is related to stinky feet and the clumsy awkwardness that results from everyone taking off their shoes at the door. I just felt like chiming in cause I've experienced both ways for roughly half of my life each. The people that don't take off their shoes also do other things that are elevated hygiene over those who do always take off shoes. It's a mixed bag.



Yeah teenage boys gross feet I would not want on carpet. Never. I also have all hardwood and tile still though because I have dogs. I vacuum and mop constantly because of those dogs!
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Post#1759 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:33 pm

HomoSapien wrote:I'm disappointed that so many people are being negative towards Dr. VanWingen's video. To each their own. We're facing a once in a lifetime pandemic. Pandemic's aren't supposed to be convenient, but I suppose each of us has to decide for his or herself if inconveniences outweigh trying to fully protect yourself and anyone you may encounter. I'd understand if this was just some random person on the internet giving advice, but you guys are choosing to dismiss a medical doctor. If his credentials won't convince you, the pure look of anguish on his face should.

Today alone Trump's office announced that if we do everything right then we'll likely see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths. I'm not sure how we'll get there if intelligent people in this thread are complaining about having to wipe their groceries with a Clorox wipe, thoroughly wash their fruit, or only being able to go to the store three times a week as if that's some grand sacrifice.


It's all about knowing what the risks are, which is why I suggested in an earlier post that it would be nice to see a scale of risk put out by an epidemiologist or someone from the CDC.

I believe that the likelihood of contamination if you don't follow all the directions in that video, but instead just take some common sense precautions, is likely close to zero. And that's backed up by this quote from an article I posted above:

"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is telling us that ‘currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19."

Read that again- "currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19".

Just because the guy in this video is a doctor doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. Does he specialize in infectious diseases? Does he have an advanced degree in infectious disease studies? I'll take the findings of the FDA (above) over this guys opinion.

What is a risk is taking the subway or a crowded bus to work- which many people still have to do, especially in poor areas. It's also very risky for people who are working all day in grocery stores, or in doctors offices, or in hospitals, or on police or fire departments.. Those people are facing real risks. Whereas the risk I might face from a milk carton being infected and then that infection spreading to me or my household just seems negligible.

And by the way, I don't know if this is really a once in a lifetime pandemic. I heard a report on the BBC today, and a study they discussed predicted that deaths from COVID 19 would be about on par with that of the so called "Hong Kong Flu" outbreak of 1968. So really bad, yeah, but it's not the bubonic plague, which wiped out 60% of Europe.
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Post#1760 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:41 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:Also, can't believe people wear their shoes inside. That is so weird to me. It's your home! Anyone who has a dog knows how much **** and piss is everywhere outside. Why on earth would you want to bring that inside? And how is it even comfortable to wear shoes in your house?

It's an interesting question. I grew up wearing shoes all the time inside and as an adult I essentially never do. In traditional American culture I think it's sort of a form of polite formality to keep your shoes on.



I grew up with shoes on in the house, but I was in our old basement a lot and we had hardwood floors everywhere. My mother was a clean freak to and constantly cleaned. I actually loathe being barefoot much though so we take off shoes in my house but it is flip flops in the house.


I think it depends where you live, too. If you live in the city, and so are walking streets filled with all kinds of nasty things, I'd agree it's a good idea to take off your shoes. I grew in a semi-rural area, and we didn't usually take off our shoes if we had been outside unless they were dirty/muddy, etc. Never had any illnesses that could be attributed to picking up germs off of other's shoes. Much more other likely sources.

I think sometimes US culture is a little paranoid about germs. We have anti-bacterial products left and right. And most don't do much good, and may be breeding super bugs. And putting a lot of chemicals into the environment, and into our bodies. It's been shown that young children who grow up with exposure to different sorts of microbes (such as being outside, or spending time around animals) will actually be less likely to be sickened by them when they get older, because they build up a good immune system. Whereas if you grow in a too sterile environment, your body doesn't have it's natural defenses.

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