Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

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Post#461 » by michaelm » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 am

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Not just this doctor. This drug has had many trials around the world and it makes biological sense.

Do you think it kills the virus ?.


It creates a channel in the host cells to enable zinc to build to a higher concentration in the cell. Zinc stops the virus from being able to replicate. It's common to all viruses that use RNA as their genetic material rather than DNA. However, this virus seems particularly susceptible which likely means it does a lot of it's damage by speed of replication.

I can see sense in that. I couldn’t see how chloroquine itself would do much to the virus.
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Post#462 » by OkcSinceSGA » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:22 am

Article from today about the possible connection to a lab.



https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/


Biosecurity researcher Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University professor at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology, said the coronavirus behind the pandemic is 96.2% similar to a bat virus discovered by the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2013 and studied at the Wuhan CDC. The virus could have jumped naturally from animal to human but also could have escaped from the lab, he said.

“Bat coronaviruses are collected and studied by laboratories in multiple parts of China — including Wuhan Municipal CDC and Wuhan Institute of Virology,” he told The Washington Times. “Therefore, the first human infection also could have occurred as a laboratory accident.”

Until the recent outbreak, all but two coronaviruses in China were studied at biosafety level-2 (BSL-2) facilities — not the high-security BSL-4 laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology — “which provides only minimal protections against infection of lab workers,” he said.

“Virus collection, culture, isolation or animal infection at BSL-2 with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would pose high risk of accidental infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker, the public,” he said.

Mr. Ebright said the Chinese video shows Wuhan CDC workers under Mr. Tian’s direction with inadequate personal protective equipment and unsafe practices, including exposed faces and wrists and a lack of goggles or face shields.

“Virus collection, culture, isolation or animal infection at BSL-2 with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would pose high risk of accidental infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker, the public,” he said.

Mr. Ebright said the Chinese video shows Wuhan CDC workers under Mr. Tian’s direction with inadequate personal protective equipment and unsafe practices, including exposed faces and wrists and a lack of goggles or face shields.



Steven W. Mosher, a China specialist with the Population Research Institute, said China for years has been doing research, detailed in scientific journals, on horseshoe bat coronaviruses that could be harmful to humans.

“They write about collecting SARS-like coronaviruses from horseshoe bats and proving that, like the SARS virus itself, some of these other naturally occurring coronaviruses could infect human beings directly,” Mr. Mosher said. “They write about genetically engineering new and deadly viruses capable of infecting human lung tissue — just like the Wuhan flu does.”
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Post#463 » by DowJones » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:11 am

LKN wrote:
DowJones wrote:
LKN wrote:
I'm actually curious how it really did originate (certainly possible it was a wet market). I watched a few documentaries on the spanish flu recently and apparently some scholars now think it originated in Kansas.

I'll be interested to see if we can ever really track down the origin of this.


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I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.


Do you think the markets are filthy? I couldn't tell for sure


I find it interesting that you continue to try and deflect from China’s culpability in this.
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Post#464 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:23 am

chrismikayla wrote:This doctor said he has treated 699 Covid- 19 patients with a 100% success rate. He said shortness of breath has resolved within a few hours.
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28/dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-699-coronavirus-patients-100-success-using-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-zinc-z-pak-update/
This story still smells fake. According to Trump they didn't start testing the drug in New York until Tuesday on 1200 patients. This was from one of his news conferences.

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Post#465 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:26 am

nymets1 wrote:
God Squad wrote:Not surprised Florida has a terrible recovery rate. Honestly just the way they have been handling everything been terrible. Let's all just go to the beach!!


We not recovering because We don't have that hydroxychorolquine/z-pack in Florida as that medicine is only in New York as far as I know. We should have recoveries by now but we don't. It's very hot down here so this heat should be killing the virus. But people like to travel to Florida so if people are coming to Florida with the virus than it spreads. I heard on the radio yesterday that the cops are on I10 and I95 stopping any vehicles coming into Florida that don't have a Florida license plate.
Desantis said, in his press conference two days ago that he sent the hydrochoroquine to every major hospital around the state. He also said, they would distribute it to the smaller ones.

He said, he had a connection in Israel where he bought a bunch of doses.

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Post#466 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:33 am

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zimpy27 wrote:
michaelm wrote:Do you think it kills the virus ?.


It creates a channel in the host cells to enable zinc to build to a higher concentration in the cell. Zinc stops the virus from being able to replicate. It's common to all viruses that use RNA as their genetic material rather than DNA. However, this virus seems particularly susceptible which likely means it does a lot of it's damage by speed of replication.

I can see sense in that. I couldn’t see how chloroquine itself would do much to the virus.
They've been using chloroquine combined with zinc since the beginning in South Korea. Be careful not to overdo it with zinc. I was taking the 50mg pills everyday and i was having a hard time sleeping. I think the rda for men is around 10 or 11 mg.

If you read about zinc they say it's helpful to treat respiratory viruses.

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Post#467 » by Dirk » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:27 pm

Casually bumped into some more masks discussions.

Czechia is all in on the masks, watch the video


Austria to make basic face masks compulsory in supermarkets
“As of the moment these masks are handed out in front of supermarkets it will be compulsory to wear them in supermarkets,” he said, adding the aim in the medium-term was for people to wear them in public more generally as well.

The so-called MNS masks are below medical grade and aimed at preventing the wearer from spreading it to others by coughing or sneezing, he said, adding: “Currently the infections are far too high.”

The masks will be handed out probably from Wednesday.

Austria is also carrying out tests on a representative sample of 2,000 people to get a clearer understanding of how much of the population has been exposed to the virus, Mr Kurz said, adding that Austria was one of the first countries in Europe to do so. The results will be available at the end of the week. – Reuters


In the US
It's Time to Face Facts, America: Masks Work
https://www.wired.com/story/its-time-to-face-facts-america-masks-work/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/cdc-considering-recommending-general-public-wear-face-coverings-in-public/2020/03/30/6a3e495c-7280-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/opinion/coronavirus-n95-mask.html?action=click&module=moreIn&pgtype=Article&region=Footer&action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article&region=Footer&contentCollection=Opinion

Nothing new. These Health Organizations have really really been embarrassing themselves.
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Post#468 » by Pointgod » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:I've been avoiding this thread since it gives me a lot of anxiety. Is there news that hot weather kills the virus? Is that confirmed?


No it’s bull. Don’t trust that and other unverified sources. Stick with mainstream media, actual experts and legitimate organizations.
Actual experts? Do those truly exist when it comes to this virus?

I have heard very little out of them except for wash your hands. The media is eating this up and so are the majority with a camera in their face on tv.

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I have no idea what you’re talking about. For example, I watch MSNBC and they’ve had a number of virologists, epidemiologists, healthcare workers, healthcare policy experts, emergency management experts, and people who’ve worked in the whitehouse during multiple crises. These are credible people not just talking heads on tv or partisan hacks.
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Post#469 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:26 pm

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Post#470 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:27 pm

basketballRob wrote:
nymets1 wrote:
God Squad wrote:Not surprised Florida has a terrible recovery rate. Honestly just the way they have been handling everything been terrible. Let's all just go to the beach!!


We not recovering because We don't have that hydroxychorolquine/z-pack in Florida as that medicine is only in New York as far as I know. We should have recoveries by now but we don't. It's very hot down here so this heat should be killing the virus. But people like to travel to Florida so if people are coming to Florida with the virus than it spreads. I heard on the radio yesterday that the cops are on I10 and I95 stopping any vehicles coming into Florida that don't have a Florida license plate.
Desantis said, in his press conference two days ago that he sent the hydrochoroquine to every major hospital around the state. He also said, they would distribute it to the smaller ones.

He said, he had a connection in Israel where he bought a bunch of doses.

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Post#471 » by Stillwater » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:53 pm

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chrismikayla wrote:So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.


Obese people are in a constant state of inflammation. The central nervous system can only handle so much.

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Post#472 » by Neutral 123 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:11 pm

chrismikayla wrote:So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.


A BMO over 40 is very obese. If you mean a waist size over 40 inches and a BMI over 30, then yes, that's the standard. And yes, that person should lose weight.
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Post#473 » by Neutral 123 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm

Pointgod wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
No it’s bull. Don’t trust that and other unverified sources. Stick with mainstream media, actual experts and legitimate organizations.
Actual experts? Do those truly exist when it comes to this virus?

I have heard very little out of them except for wash your hands. The media is eating this up and so are the majority with a camera in their face on tv.

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I have no idea what you’re talking about. For example, I watch MSNBC and they’ve had a number of virologists, epidemiologists, healthcare workers, healthcare policy experts, emergency management experts, and people who’ve worked in the whitehouse during multiple crises. These are credible people not just talking heads on tv or partisan hacks.

Mainstream experts have their agenda as well or else they wouldn't be mainstream. These same experts were claiming that this thing was low risk a few weeks ago.
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Post#474 » by Neutral 123 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:18 pm

TheRealKaboom wrote:
mademan wrote:
LKN wrote:
One thing I wonder about is if hot/humid weather slows down transmission but of course only when you are outside and/or in a non climate conditioned space

We can watch and see if there's a difference between countries that are heavily air conditioned (US - Florida as an example) and non western nations with less air conditioning.


That it hasnt hit Africa hard, even with the huge population on that continent, is encouraging.

That's because Africa isn't on the global climate "band" where the virus lives. Look at the hardest hit areas: China, Iran, Europe, U.S. Then look at a map of the world and ask yourself what those countries have in common. They are all geographically lined up in a circle across the globe.

Edit: This is what I mean. There's a "band" around the globe where the virus is breaking out. Africa isn't in that band.

I'm also stoned atm and this is just a personal theory. :meditate:

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Saw a YouTube video with someone believing that certain temperature and humidity conditions are ideal for the spread. However, that band is also where most of the world's wealth is concentrated. These countries can actually do the testing.
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Post#475 » by Neutral 123 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:23 pm

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LKN wrote:
I'm actually curious how it really did originate (certainly possible it was a wet market). I watched a few documentaries on the spanish flu recently and apparently some scholars now think it originated in Kansas.

I'll be interested to see if we can ever really track down the origin of this.


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I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.


Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.


This. To blame China is to miss the point. It's the worldwide exploitation of animals that is the cause. These intensive conditions, including ones in America are breeding grounds for disease. This is common sense but so well hidden from people's minds that it goes unnoticed. This will happen again.
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Post#476 » by Stillwater » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:53 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:
Metallikid wrote:
DowJones wrote:
Read on Twitter


I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.


Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.


This. To blame China is to miss the point. It's the worldwide exploitation of animals that is the cause. These intensive conditions, including ones in America are breeding grounds for disease. This is common sense but so well hidden from people's minds that it goes unnoticed. This will happen again.

Nobody should be blaming China the people per say but to not at least cobsider blaming a level 4 virology lab (that were testing Coronoviris) for containment failure for whatever reason that is located in Wuhan is a mistake too
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Post#477 » by spikeslovechild » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:01 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:
Metallikid wrote:
DowJones wrote:
Read on Twitter


I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.


Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.


This. To blame China is to miss the point. It's the worldwide exploitation of animals that is the cause. These intensive conditions, including ones in America are breeding grounds for disease. This is common sense but so well hidden from people's minds that it goes unnoticed. This will happen again.


American meat is inspected and there are controls put in place to trace and recall any defective product. Wet Markets operate without any oversight whatsoever. Their meat is not inspected. Their sellers are not accountable to the public at large.

Only someone grossly misinformed or a 50 cent army shill would use sophistry like the previous poster employed. They are not equal. There is nothing in the world that is 100 percent. Putting on a seatbelt won't guarantee your survival in the case of a car accident. Not smoking won't guarantee you from getting lung cancer. However, we do those things because we recognize that by wearing a seatbelt we increase our odds of survival in a car accident and that by not smoking we decrease the risk of lung cancer.

The idea well nothing is a 100 percent in this world so why bother trying is foolish. There is always room for improvement with inspection and enforcement of food safety standards but our meat is for the most part safe. Also beyond the wetmarket itself China hid the outbreak to the world in it's first critical month or so which according to scientists modeling increased the chance of a worldwide pandemic by 95 percent. They also didn't share the data once they made the outbreak public with the world. Once again preventing an effective worldwide response and forcing other nations to sort of figure out the best way to respond. So yes China is to blame you damn well right they are. The WHO was complict too by being in Chinas backpocket and recommending against a travel advisory/ban to China they allowed the infection to continue to spread by nations relying on their recommendations to formulate effective policies. So f them too.
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Post#478 » by Triples333 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:01 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:
Metallikid wrote:
DowJones wrote:
Read on Twitter


I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.


Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.


This. To blame China is to miss the point. It's the worldwide exploitation of animals that is the cause. These intensive conditions, including ones in America are breeding grounds for disease. This is common sense but so well hidden from people's minds that it goes unnoticed. This will happen again.

Uh, well, that and a widespread government cover up so that a nation experiencing a known epidemic allowed its citizens to spread it across the entire globe via travel. A nation that is still just outright openly lying about their numbers, which is holding the rest of the world back in their attempts to amass as much data as possible on the disease. Of course they are to blame. And I am not sure why anyone would go to bat for the Chinese government after everything they have been exposed of over the past few years (speaking not to you, but in general).
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Post#479 » by mademan » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:04 pm

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mademan wrote:
That it hasnt hit Africa hard, even with the huge population on that continent, is encouraging.

That's because Africa isn't on the global climate "band" where the virus lives. Look at the hardest hit areas: China, Iran, Europe, U.S. Then look at a map of the world and ask yourself what those countries have in common. They are all geographically lined up in a circle across the globe.

Edit: This is what I mean. There's a "band" around the globe where the virus is breaking out. Africa isn't in that band.

I'm also stoned atm and this is just a personal theory. :meditate:

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Saw a YouTube video with someone believing that certain temperature and humidity conditions are ideal for the spread. However, that band is also where most of the world's wealth is concentrated. These countries can actually do the testing.


I get that, but it doesnt pass the smell test. It's been in circulation for months so it has clearly its found its way to Africa. Where are the bodies? Forget testing. With the poor health care system in many areas on the continent, we should be seeing bodies stack up, but we're not.

To me, it clearly has reached Africa and hasnt had the same effect it's had in other countries. The reason for that goes far beyond testing.
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Post#480 » by ken6199 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 pm

mademan wrote:
Neutral 123 wrote:
TheRealKaboom wrote:That's because Africa isn't on the global climate "band" where the virus lives. Look at the hardest hit areas: China, Iran, Europe, U.S. Then look at a map of the world and ask yourself what those countries have in common. They are all geographically lined up in a circle across the globe.

Edit: This is what I mean. There's a "band" around the globe where the virus is breaking out. Africa isn't in that band.

I'm also stoned atm and this is just a personal theory. :meditate:

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Saw a YouTube video with someone believing that certain temperature and humidity conditions are ideal for the spread. However, that band is also where most of the world's wealth is concentrated. These countries can actually do the testing.


I get that, but it doesnt pass the smell test. It's been in circulation for months so it has clearly its found its way to Africa. Where are the bodies? Forget testing. With the poor health care system in many areas on the continent, we should be seeing bodies stack up, but we're not.

To me, it clearly has reached Africa and hasnt had the same effect it's had in other countries. The reason for that goes far beyond testing.

That's because no many travel to Africa. Less activity = less spread. Look at how many flights fly between EU and US.

Also that picture doesn't mean much. Most of the economy activities sit in that band: US, EU countries, China. The one thing I am worried about is India. Nobody knows what's going on there. Not much data comes out of India, nobody is talking about it. I don't have a good feeling about it.
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