Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[Dirk]

Canada
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Also with morons giving dumb advice that undermines their credibility and threatens our safety.

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[Childs]

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Also with morons giving dumb advice that undermines their credibility and threatens our safety.

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Never heard of this guy, is he Canadian Alex Jones?

[Dirk]

Great thread - some of it is very technical (I don't understand all of it)... but some good detailed (albeit anecdotal) observations:

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[Courtside]

Forced to go back home. Not welcome.

Spoiler:

India racked by greatest exodus since partition due to coronavirus

“The road seemed endless, we had no money for food and my children just took short breaks sleeping on the ground,” she said. But gritting her teeth and pushing hunger and exhaustion away, Mamta kept on walking.

It would take her six-person family almost five days on foot to make the 125-mile journey from Gurgaon, a satellite city to the capital, Delhi, to their village, Sidamai in Uttar Pradesh, as part of an exodus of millions of migrant workers and families last week unlike anything seen in India since partition.

“The only thing that kept us moving was that we had nowhere else to go,” said Mamta. “But even though we have arrived in the village we have no money for food. I don’t know how we will survive. Hunger will kill us before coronavirus does.”

“My work has totally stopped so I have no money to survive and I have not eaten since yesterday, so that is why I needed to go back,” said Rama. “But I was not the only one. The bus station was full of people like me, desperate to get out, and it was like hell.

“There were crowds and everyone was being crushed and pulling each other out of the way, there was so much violence and police were charging at us with lathis [wooden rods].”

He added: “For buses that had seats [for] 100 people, 200 people would be trying to cram in, people were sitting on top of the bus and hanging out of the windows. We were all desperate to leave because we cannot survive in Delhi under this lockdown.”

Migrant workers who have made it to their villages have often found they are no longer welcome.

In several villages in Bihar and Jharkhand, villagers put up barricades at the entry points and hung posters, warning the migrants against entering the village before a health check.

“We took this decision as outsiders’ entry to the village could put everyone’s life at risk,” said Umesh Singh, 60, a schoolteacher from the village of Baniya-Yadupur in Bihar. “This is very dangerous time and we can’t ignore this.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/india-wracked-by-greatest-exodus-since-partition-due-to-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_tw

Over 500 Nepali migrant workers stranded on border
https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/over-500-nepali-migrant-workers-stranded-on-border/

“We walked for days to reach here (Darchula) after businesses closed down in India. We’re stuck as the suspension bridge for crossing over to Nepal is closed,” said Padam Dhami of Baitadi’s Purchaudi Municipality. “SSB said they would allow us to cross over, but it’s unfortunate that the Nepali side didn’t open the bridge,” he said.

Stranded Nepalis have been shouting slogans, saying, ”Open the border and take back your citizens”. They demanded that they be allowed to return home as they were trapped in the lockdown imposed by both the countries. Darchula police took a person under control after he swam across the river into Nepal this morning.

“Efforts are under way to set up quarantine by local levels and manage vehicles to bring them in,” said Poudel. He said a meeting of the High-level Coordination Committee to prevent coronavirus had already decided to rescue stranded Nepalis.

As bad as it's going to hit here and bring a scenario that people only saw in movies, it will be nothing like what happens to developing nations, or those like India that are overpopulated and where a human life is not valued as it is here.

[chrismikayla]

So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.

A BMO over 40 is very obese. If you mean a waist size over 40 inches and a BMI over 30, then yes, that's the standard. And yes, that person should lose weight.

I was saying just BMI calculations alone don't tell the whole story. If we go by that Russell Wilson and many NFL quarterbacks are considered obese/overweight.

[Cowbulls]

Great thread - some of it is very technical (I don't understand all of it)... but some good detailed (albeit anecdotal) observations:

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[6ixSideSniper]

So, shaking hands as a greeting is officially dead moving forward, right?

I always would give people fist bumps, but I'm going to retire that as well.

I would do the Wuhan shake but im not risking scuffing my Yeezys.

[zimpy27]

So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.

A BMO over 40 is very obese. If you mean a waist size over 40 inches and a BMI over 30, then yes, that's the standard. And yes, that person should lose weight.

I was saying just BMI calculations alone don't tell the whole story. If we go by that Russell Wilson and many NFL quarterbacks are considered obese/overweight.

That's why CDC are saying you have to be obese with a BMI over 40. If you have a BMI over 40 but low body fat then you are probably ok, but still I can't imagine that is healthy at all.

Just for reference, peak bodybuilding Schwarzenegger had a BMI of 31.

[chrismikayla]

Dr Fauci is seeing small signs that social distancing may be helping in the United States.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/us-health-official-fauci-sees-glimmers-that-social-distancing-is-dampening-coronavirus-outbreak.html

[Dirk]

Forced to go back home. Not welcome.

Spoiler:

India racked by greatest exodus since partition due to coronavirus

“The road seemed endless, we had no money for food and my children just took short breaks sleeping on the ground,” she said. But gritting her teeth and pushing hunger and exhaustion away, Mamta kept on walking.

It would take her six-person family almost five days on foot to make the 125-mile journey from Gurgaon, a satellite city to the capital, Delhi, to their village, Sidamai in Uttar Pradesh, as part of an exodus of millions of migrant workers and families last week unlike anything seen in India since partition.

“The only thing that kept us moving was that we had nowhere else to go,” said Mamta. “But even though we have arrived in the village we have no money for food. I don’t know how we will survive. Hunger will kill us before coronavirus does.”

“My work has totally stopped so I have no money to survive and I have not eaten since yesterday, so that is why I needed to go back,” said Rama. “But I was not the only one. The bus station was full of people like me, desperate to get out, and it was like hell.

“There were crowds and everyone was being crushed and pulling each other out of the way, there was so much violence and police were charging at us with lathis [wooden rods].”

He added: “For buses that had seats [for] 100 people, 200 people would be trying to cram in, people were sitting on top of the bus and hanging out of the windows. We were all desperate to leave because we cannot survive in Delhi under this lockdown.”

Migrant workers who have made it to their villages have often found they are no longer welcome.

In several villages in Bihar and Jharkhand, villagers put up barricades at the entry points and hung posters, warning the migrants against entering the village before a health check.

“We took this decision as outsiders’ entry to the village could put everyone’s life at risk,” said Umesh Singh, 60, a schoolteacher from the village of Baniya-Yadupur in Bihar. “This is very dangerous time and we can’t ignore this.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/india-wracked-by-greatest-exodus-since-partition-due-to-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_tw

Over 500 Nepali migrant workers stranded on border
https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/over-500-nepali-migrant-workers-stranded-on-border/

“We walked for days to reach here (Darchula) after businesses closed down in India. We’re stuck as the suspension bridge for crossing over to Nepal is closed,” said Padam Dhami of Baitadi’s Purchaudi Municipality. “SSB said they would allow us to cross over, but it’s unfortunate that the Nepali side didn’t open the bridge,” he said.

Stranded Nepalis have been shouting slogans, saying, ”Open the border and take back your citizens”. They demanded that they be allowed to return home as they were trapped in the lockdown imposed by both the countries. Darchula police took a person under control after he swam across the river into Nepal this morning.

“Efforts are under way to set up quarantine by local levels and manage vehicles to bring them in,” said Poudel. He said a meeting of the High-level Coordination Committee to prevent coronavirus had already decided to rescue stranded Nepalis.

As bad as it's going to hit here and bring a scenario that people only saw in movies, it will be nothing like what happens to developing nations, or those like India that are overpopulated and where a human life is not valued as it is here.

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Ninth day of quarantine, government promised to hand $300 to people.

Thousands of people followed the directions President Bukele had given and mobilized to state offices to ask about a $ 300 subsidy for families financially affected by COVID-19. Thus, the agglomerations broke the quarantine ordered by the Government itself, causing a risk of contagion.

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[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

One thing I wonder about is if hot/humid weather slows down transmission but of course only when you are outside and/or in a non climate conditioned space

We can watch and see if there's a difference between countries that are heavily air conditioned (US - Florida as an example) and non western nations with less air conditioning.

That it hasnt hit Africa hard, even with the huge population on that continent, is encouraging.

That's because Africa isn't on the global climate "band" where the virus lives. Look at the hardest hit areas: China, Iran, Europe, U.S. Then look at a map of the world and ask yourself what those countries have in common. They are all geographically lined up in a circle across the globe.

Edit: This is what I mean. There's a "band" around the globe where the virus is breaking out. Africa isn't in that band.

I'm also stoned atm and this is just a personal theory.

It started off in China, moved to its closest migrating populations. Then to tourist and business areas. Africa does not get as much traffic. There is no exception to a virus. This is contagious. Period. And to make it worse, it is more deadly than than the flu. The only thing working in our favour is that it is not that deadly. and takes a long time to incubate. The scale of western denial and elitism, really lucked out. We had heaps of time. And with that time, we chose to discuss having wage slaves work. Party at the beach. Blame our neighbors etc. TIme for peopel to get past the 7 stages of grieving and deal with facts.

[Courtside]

Hospitals are firing doctors and nurses speaking out on social media about lack of supplies and protective equipment....we are approaching Elysium very quickly. We have a lack of medical workers, alot of them are getting sick and instead of helping them some hospital networks are firing...

That's not going to last long - they are going to be desperate for anyone who can intubate a patient in the very near future (if they aren't already)

Here in Ontario, they are already putting plans in place to change standards and hire all kinds of added people to do non critical things, freeing up the trained and certified to be on the front lines, and hopefully rotate enough in and out to east and rest properly.

In a place like Toronto that is very culturally diverse, we're very lucky to have probably 100,000 people from other countries that had medical training or licensing back home, but were unable to practice here. 10s of thousands of Filipino caregivers were nurses or dentists back home for example, so they are well prepared to follow sanitary protocols and take care of the non-critical that may be in hospitals for non COVID reasons, let alone any number of taxi drivers or pizza delivery guys that may have be doctors in Syria or Afghanistan. It's a really smart and forward thinking move.

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

No it’s bull. Don’t trust that and other unverified sources. Stick with mainstream media, actual experts and legitimate organizations.

Actual experts? Do those truly exist when it comes to this virus?

I have heard very little out of them except for wash your hands. The media is eating this up and so are the majority with a camera in their face on tv.

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I have no idea what you’re talking about. For example, I watch MSNBC and they’ve had a number of virologists, epidemiologists, healthcare workers, healthcare policy experts, emergency management experts, and people who’ve worked in the whitehouse during multiple crises. These are credible people not just talking heads on tv or partisan hacks.

My American friends. THis is not an American issue. It is a pandemic. All countries are dealing with this. To the outisder world we know you distrust your govt. With good reason. Your govt told you too distrust the media while they fleeced you weekend the response etc. But go watch English News, Australian News, Better Yet Watch what our NZ Prime minister says. She is a strait shooter and not a stuffed lying suit. You need to be in self isolation and stop wasting time on all the noise. That is out there to prop your markets up while they limit their financisal loses. No time to be confused, blame, etc. Take care of yourself and dont be that person who says for freedom they will be a nutter. Love to America. The rest of the freethinking peoples of the world.

[homecourtloss]

Great thread - some of it is very technical (I don't understand all of it)... but some good detailed (albeit anecdotal) observations:

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[TMU]

Saw a YouTube video with someone believing that certain temperature and humidity conditions are ideal for the spread. However, that band is also where most of the world's wealth is concentrated. These countries can actually do the testing.

I get that, but it doesnt pass the smell test. It's been in circulation for months so it has clearly its found its way to Africa. Where are the bodies? Forget testing. With the poor health care system in many areas on the continent, we should be seeing bodies stack up, but we're not.

To me, it clearly has reached Africa and hasnt had the same effect it's had in other countries. The reason for that goes far beyond testing.

That's because no many travel to Africa. Less activity = less spread. Look at how many flights fly between EU and US.

Also that picture doesn't mean much. Most of the economy activities sit in that band: US, EU countries, China. The one thing I am worried about is India. Nobody knows what's going on there. Not much data comes out of India, nobody is talking about it. I don't have a good feeling about it.

The number of testing is probably the biggest factor. My theory is that weather also plays an element to it. It is hypothesized that the virus thrives in room-cooler temperature. I suspect nations below the equator such as South America and most African nations will have more numbers with more testing and as the weather cools.

[TMU]

Out of everyone, Fauci has been most upfront. Social distancing works. As for masks, he states that the government was telling people not to wear masks because they were on shortage to provide hospitals nation-wide - which we all figured. Just as hospitals are now requiring all healthcare personnel wear masks at all times inside the hospital, the CDC will start mandating the public wearing masks with more supply.

[Neutral 123]

So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.

A BMO over 40 is very obese. If you mean a waist size over 40 inches and a BMI over 30, then yes, that's the standard. And yes, that person should lose weight.

I was saying just BMI calculations alone don't tell the whole story. If we go by that Russell Wilson and many NFL quarterbacks are considered obese/overweight.

A BMI over 40 is extremely obese. 6'1 290 is what it takes to have a BMI of 40.

There is also a waist circumference measurement added to give you a more accurate idea if where you stand. No one with a BMI over 40 is a healthy weight whether they are very fat or have pumped themselves full of steroids.

[Neutral 123]

Out of everyone, Fauci has been most upfront. Social distancing works. As for masks, he states that the government was telling people not to wear masks because they were on shortage to provide hospitals nation-wide - which we all figured. Just as hospitals are now requiring all healthcare personnel wear masks at all times inside the hospital, the CDC will start mandating the public wearing masks with more supply.

Well it's good he admitted they lied. It never made sense that masks made no difference. That's the only out I see here. Get everyone masks and then we can somewhat return to normalcy.

[Neutral 123]

Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.

This. To blame China is to miss the point. It's the worldwide exploitation of animals that is the cause. These intensive conditions, including ones in America are breeding grounds for disease. This is common sense but so well hidden from people's minds that it goes unnoticed. This will happen again.

Nobody should be blaming China the people per say but to not at least cobsider blaming a level 4 virology lab (that were testing Coronoviris) for containment failure for whatever reason that is located in Wuhan is a mistake too

I like to focus on things that we can change. I don't doubt this is a possibility, but everything needs to be done to prevent this from happening again. Building better labs is something that is likely to happen if China believes that's what happened.

However, changing how farming occurs, how the wild animal trade is operated, are things that are easy to turn a blind eye to.

This is not new. Since the mid 70s a bunch of new diseases have been churned out from both those industries. Are we willing to look at ourselves? Our lives depend on it.

[Pointgod]

Actual experts? Do those truly exist when it comes to this virus?

I have heard very little out of them except for wash your hands. The media is eating this up and so are the majority with a camera in their face on tv.

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I have no idea what you’re talking about. For example, I watch MSNBC and they’ve had a number of virologists, epidemiologists, healthcare workers, healthcare policy experts, emergency management experts, and people who’ve worked in the whitehouse during multiple crises. These are credible people not just talking heads on tv or partisan hacks.

Mainstream experts have their agenda as well or else they wouldn't be mainstream. These same experts were claiming that this thing was low risk a few weeks ago.

Tell me what agenda a virologist has or someone who actually led the pandemic team responding to Obama? Credentialed people that appear in the mainstream media don’t lose their credentials. I’m not going to take the word from some shady quacks or highly biased sites like some people in this thread are posting. Really if people had listened to experts steps would have been taken to contain this in July. The only people that claimed this was low risk was Trump and his sychopants in the right wing media.