Coronavirus

[dice]

I thought this comment by Trump was precious- about how the democrats wanted to add things to the stimulus bill that would have made it easier for people to vote via the mail in the event they didn't want to go to a polling place because of the pandemic:

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,”

even trump knows that birther party voter suppression efforts are not only effective, but have nothing to do with a purported attempt to suppress voter fraud

[dice]

He never backed it up. He said 'If their case numbers are real'.

that doesn't make what he's saying propaganda, which is what you falsely implied. and false charges of spreading propaganda isn't much better than propaganda itself

It's propaganda when THAT article states "U.S. agencies remain skeptical that the Chinese have the virus under control, the source said." and mislead people to say UNDER CONTROL in China.

except that nobody definitively claimed that things were under control in china. you made it up and called it propaganda

[disoblige]

that doesn't make what he's saying propaganda, which is what you falsely implied. and false charges of spreading propaganda isn't much better than propaganda itself

It's propaganda when THAT article states "U.S. agencies remain skeptical that the Chinese have the virus under control, the source said." and mislead people to say UNDER CONTROL in China.

except that nobody definitively claimed that things were under control in china. you made it up and called it propaganda

he used it for and quoted that it seems to be under control.

just trying to calm down the anti-China hysteria that you and others are spreading with some countervailing points of view....backed up by the opinion of a highly regarded US expert on the subject.

[dice]

It's propaganda when THAT article states "U.S. agencies remain skeptical that the Chinese have the virus under control, the source said." and mislead people to say UNDER CONTROL in China.

except that nobody definitively claimed that things were under control in china. you made it up and called it propaganda

he used it for :

just trying to calm down the anti-China hysteria that you and others are spreading with some countervailing points of view....backed up by the opinion of a highly regarded US expert on the subject.

that has nothing to do with what i said

WHO said that things are "under control" in china?

the anti-china hysteria is indeed a problem. just in general. and the repeated hammering on them misreporting data has absolutely no benefit to anything. it changes nothing. it only inflames racists

[disoblige]

except that nobody definitively claimed that things were under control in china. you made it up and called it propaganda

he used it for :

just trying to calm down the anti-China hysteria that you and others are spreading with some countervailing points of view....backed up by the opinion of a highly regarded US expert on the subject.

that has nothing to do with what i said

WHO said that things are "under control" in china?

You said "nobody claimed that things were under control". He use that article a piece of quote that says it's under control.

China "seems to be the most successful country in terms of taking very large-scale growth and rapidly extinguishing it," he said. "If their case numbers are real, it's really important to understand their approach and adapt it."

[dice]

he used it for :

that has nothing to do with what i said

WHO said that things are "under control" in china?

You said "nobody claimed that things were under control". He use that article a piece of quote that says it's under control.

China "seems to be the most successful country in terms of taking very large-scale growth and rapidly extinguishing it," he said. "If their case numbers are real, it's really important to understand their approach and adapt it."

first of all, you misquoted me, leaving out a very important word. that's what propagandists do. here's what i actually said:

nobody definitively claimed that things were under control in china

secondly, and YOU POINTED IT OUT ALREADY YOURSELF, he qualified his statement

He never backed it up. He said 'If their case numbers are real'.

"IF", "SEEMS".

what jeremy konyndyk said was completely reasonable: that IF indeed china has done a good job of containing things recently, we should try to implement similar containment methods. and for that, you accused him of spreading propaganda

pretty tough to accuse a guy of serving as a CCP propagandist when he says "Beijing concealed the severity of the initial outbreak." which pretty much everyone outside of china recognizes

[disoblige]

first of all, you misquoted me, leaving out a very important word. that's what propagandists do. here's what i actually said:

nobody definitively claimed that things were under control in china

You are playing with words. People don't definitely say what exactly what they want and they are often implied.

pretty tough to accuse a guy of serving as a CCP propagandist when he says "Beijing concealed the severity of the initial outbreak." which pretty much everyone outside of china recognizes

You also left out the phrase he posted "it does not appear to be doctoring numbers now, however"

[dice]

first of all, you misquoted me, leaving out a very important word. that's what propagandists do. here's what i actually said:

nobody definitively claimed that things were under control in china

You are playing with words. People don't definitely say what exactly what they want and they are often implied.

he qualified his statement with IF and SEEMS! and there would be no reason for him to mince his words if he wanted to dispense propaganda. he would just outright say it

you're reading WAY too much into a completely innocuous statement by someone unassociated with the chinese government and whose intent was quite obviously not to defend the chinese government. again, pretty much everyone knows that anything china reports should at minimum be taken with a grain of salt. it would be wasted effort for anyone to claim otherwise. just as it's a waste of effort to continually repeat that china is untrustworthy. anybody who doesn't recognize that by now isn't likely to recognize it

still nobody has answered the question that i've asked a number of times now? why did china bother to report 75,000 coronavirus cases as of several weeks ago? 'cause that reflected REALLY badly on them

[disoblige]

first of all, you misquoted me, leaving out a very important word. that's what propagandists do. here's what i actually said:

You are playing with words. People don't definitely say what exactly what they want and they are often implied.

he qualified his statement with IF and SEEMS! and there would be no reason for him to mince his words if he wanted to dispense propaganda. he would just outright say it

you're reading WAY too much into a completely innocuous statement by someone unassociated with the chinese government and whose intent was quite obviously not to defend the chinese government. again, pretty much everyone knows that anything china reports should at minimum be taken with a grain of salt. it would be wasted effort for anyone to claim otherwise. just as it's a waste of effort to continually repeat that china is untrustworthy. anybody who doesn't recognize that by now isn't likely to recognize it

still nobody has answered the question that i've asked a number of times now? why did china bother to report 75,000 coronavirus cases as of several weeks ago? 'cause that reflected REALLY badly on them

My point is that I detected those words. Made it clear he never said that but it's misleading people.

On whether or not China is reporting accurately- this from "Jeremy Konyndyk, an expert at the Center for Global Development think tank, who led the Office of U.S. Foreign Disaster Assistance from 2013 to 2017, including the U.S. response to the Ebola outbreak...."while Beijing concealed the severity of the initial outbreak, it does not appear to be doctoring numbers now, however."

China "seems to be the most successful country in terms of taking very large-scale growth and rapidly extinguishing it," he said. "If their case numbers are real, it's really important to understand their approach and adapt it."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-spies-coronavirus-spread-china-211307985.html

I believe it, because their quarantine and surveillance measures are through the roof. They're pretty used to these outbreaks at this point. And frankly I think they don't have the shortage of PPE and ICU supplies, because they manufacture them.

[dice]

You are playing with words. People don't definitely say what exactly what they want and they are often implied.

he qualified his statement with IF and SEEMS! and there would be no reason for him to mince his words if he wanted to dispense propaganda. he would just outright say it

you're reading WAY too much into a completely innocuous statement by someone unassociated with the chinese government and whose intent was quite obviously not to defend the chinese government. again, pretty much everyone knows that anything china reports should at minimum be taken with a grain of salt. it would be wasted effort for anyone to claim otherwise. just as it's a waste of effort to continually repeat that china is untrustworthy. anybody who doesn't recognize that by now isn't likely to recognize it

still nobody has answered the question that i've asked a number of times now? why did china bother to report 75,000 coronavirus cases as of several weeks ago? 'cause that reflected REALLY badly on them

My point is that I detected those words.

everybody who can read detects those words. they're obvious qualifiers. particularly for anyone sophisticated enough to care about reading statements from coronavirus think tank experts

it's misleading people.

he wasn't able to mislead you or me. until you can produce a motive for him misleading, or a history of him having done so, you're doing nothing more than grasping at straws to further anti-china rhetoric...which they deserve, but which is pretty pointless. it's not like there are chinese citizens whose only avenue to learning what their government is doing is realgm

[Habs72]

China numbers are definitely downsized from what they really are, but how much? We may never know; BUT China went also far and beoynd what any western country has done against the virus. They literally went from door to door to check out each and every of their citizens and put the data on the system and supervised it and pulled people on quarantine on stadiums, hospitals made to only mild symptoms like fever etc.
There is lots of different drastic measures they did to take control of the virus that NO other nation has done so far. Could also explain why it spreads like a wildfire in certain countries where people dont have the self-disciple of Asian people. Huge difference is also what protective measures people in China used when they had to go outside of their homes. In the end for example every single one of them was wearing a mask. Every single one. There is loads of content from their quarantines for example in youtube, check them out and ask yourself, are your nation doing things like that with that scale to prevent the virus from spreading.

[BigUps]

The data is questionable EVERYWHERE. We just need to move on from questioning a lot of it. It’s tough to, because of the social and economic impact, but you just have to move on from it and trust the modeling is accurate enough with the data they have available to them.

I know Trump is a bumbling fool, but don’t let him make you believe that we don’t have some of our best Dr.’s and scientists working on this. It’s a bit of blind faith, but you have to just succumb to the fact that an economic collapse isn’t in anyone’s benefit. The decisions being made are historical and you can’t make them if you aren’t informed to some level of confidence.

With that said, I do wish the data included something around hospital and equipment capacity. That’s really what is driving these decisions. I’d be interested in that detail for sure.

Just stay safe and stay at home. If you have friends and family that are living alone get them on a video call everyday. Those folks need a lot of help being in isolation for such a long time.

[Dresden]

A new thermometer that automatically reports your temperature readings to a central data base is doing a very good job of showing Corona virus trends, days before other ways of tracking it are doing. And it shows the spread slowing down in the US:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/restrictions-slowing-coronavirus-infections-data-123148690.html

Those graphs, Schaffner noted, showed that simply declaring a state of emergency or limiting the size of public gatherings did not affect the number of people reporting fevers.

But closing restaurants and bars and asking people to stay in their homes produced dramatic results in all three cities.

[Dresden]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-deaths-will-far-outnumber-trumps-recession-deaths-144328662.html

Pay attention, Glen Beck and Brit Hume....

[Chi town]

A new thermometer that automatically reports your temperature readings to a central data base is doing a very good job of showing Corona virus trends, days before other ways of tracking it are doing. And it shows the spread slowing down in the US:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/restrictions-slowing-coronavirus-infections-data-123148690.html

Those graphs, Schaffner noted, showed that simply declaring a state of emergency or limiting the size of public gatherings did not affect the number of people reporting fevers.

But closing restaurants and bars and asking people to stay in their homes produced dramatic results in all three cities.

Ok. What about the southern church that refused to stop meeting and 40 people on their 60 person choir were infected? Several deaths too.

I see no gatherings over 50 people for probably the next 3 months.

[Mech Engineer]

Yeah ...restaurants have to have cut down their max capacity to half or lower. Same thing with public transportation and airlines. I don't even know if spectator sports can happen or they will have allotted seats with spacing and strict monitoring of spacing(if that's even possible to be enforced).

But, for all that, we need to get through the nightmare until April end or mid May to make any decisions.

[dougthonus]

One of my friends' father is in the ICU with Coronavirus now. He seems to be responding well so far and the projection is positive at this point, but still very scary for his family.

As an update, my friend's dad was put on a ventilator today, so things aren't going well. Hoping for the best for them, but it's definitely a scary situation for people whom get this bad. I found out he's in his 80s, so he's certainly in the high risk category.

[Dresden]

One of my friends' father is in the ICU with Coronavirus now. He seems to be responding well so far and the projection is positive at this point, but still very scary for his family.

As an update, my friend's dad was put on a ventilator today, so things aren't going well. Hoping for the best for them, but it's definitely a scary situation for people whom get this bad. I found out he's in his 80s, so he's certainly in the high risk category.

Yikes. I hope he pulls through. There was a lady that was 102 in Italy who had it and survived.

[DuckIII]

A new thermometer that automatically reports your temperature readings to a central data base is doing a very good job of showing Corona virus trends, days before other ways of tracking it are doing. And it shows the spread slowing down in the US:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/restrictions-slowing-coronavirus-infections-data-123148690.html

Those graphs, Schaffner noted, showed that simply declaring a state of emergency or limiting the size of public gatherings did not affect the number of people reporting fevers.

But closing restaurants and bars and asking people to stay in their homes produced dramatic results in all three cities.

Ok. What about the southern church that refused to stop meeting and 40 people on their 60 person choir were infected? Several deaths too.

I see no gatherings over 50 people for probably the next 3 months.

Are you talking about the choir in Washington state? And it’s a sad story but they had that practice before shelter in place orders were issued. In early March without government guidance people were still meeting and it’s hard to blame them. These aren’t the types of COVID deniers out partying and still claiming it’s all political.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak%3f_amp=true

But you may have been referring to a different story. Perhaps the ass hole preacher in New Orleans who had a 1,000 member service a week ago in overt rebellion of safety measures. He was arrested today for being a piece of shyte:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/coronavirus/article_e7c0a2a0-7369-11ea-9de7-030a7a7fbef3.amp.html

[Dresden]

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/28-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-returning-15169039.php

28 out of around 70 kids going to spring break in Mexico a week and a half ago- when most of the country was in shelter in place- test positive. Took a charter plane- what were their parents thinking, letting them go on this?