Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[Neutral 123]

Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.

This. To blame China is to miss the point. It's the worldwide exploitation of animals that is the cause. These intensive conditions, including ones in America are breeding grounds for disease. This is common sense but so well hidden from people's minds that it goes unnoticed. This will happen again.

American meat is inspected and there are controls put in place to trace and recall any defective product. Wet Markets operate without any oversight whatsoever. Their meat is not inspected. Their sellers are not accountable to the public at large.

Only someone grossly misinformed or a 50 cent army shill would use sophistry like the previous poster employed. They are not equal. There is nothing in the world that is 100 percent. Putting on a seatbelt won't guarantee your survival in the case of a car accident. Not smoking won't guarantee you from getting lung cancer. However, we do those things because we recognize that by wearing a seatbelt we increase our odds of survival in a car accident and that by not smoking we decrease the risk of lung cancer.

The idea well nothing is a 100 percent in this world so why bother trying is foolish. There is always room for improvement with inspection and enforcement of food safety standards but our meat is for the most part safe. Also beyond the wetmarket itself China hid the outbreak to the world in it's first critical month or so which according to scientists modeling increased the chance of a worldwide pandemic by 95 percent. They also didn't share the data once they made the outbreak public with the world. Once again preventing an effective worldwide response and forcing other nations to sort of figure out the best way to respond. So yes China is to blame you damn well right they are. The WHO was complict too by being in Chinas backpocket and recommending against a travel advisory/ban to China they allowed the infection to continue to spread by nations relying on their recommendations to formulate effective policies. So f them too.

The meat is generally safe to eat. These diseases are created among living animals. They are likely to then spread from animals to workers and from workers to everyone else.

I'm not going to defend China. The truth is, I knew how dangerous this was back in January. Governments around the world knew and chose to ignore what was going on in China. You do not block off areas with tens of millions of people without knowing they're is a serious problem. This virus was allowed to spread. That is a fact. To solely blame China is useless. I can change my eating habits and MAY actually be able to influence the type of response my govt provides in this type of situation. To just blame China is not only disingenuous, it also means we are left being mad with nothing that is actionable.

[Neutral 123]

I have no idea what you’re talking about. For example, I watch MSNBC and they’ve had a number of virologists, epidemiologists, healthcare workers, healthcare policy experts, emergency management experts, and people who’ve worked in the whitehouse during multiple crises. These are credible people not just talking heads on tv or partisan hacks.

Mainstream experts have their agenda as well or else they wouldn't be mainstream. These same experts were claiming that this thing was low risk a few weeks ago.

Tell me what agenda a virologist has or someone who actually led the pandemic team responding to Obama? Credentialed people that appear in the mainstream media don’t lose their credentials. I’m not going to take the word from some shady quacks or highly biased sites like some people in this thread are posting. Really if people had listened to experts steps would have been taken to contain this in July. The only people that claimed this was low risk was Trump and his sychopants in the right wing media.

Who was sounding the alarm in January? It was only the quacks. The mainstream media was telling this was low risk and nothing to worry about. You don't need masks (they are still telling this lie), you don't need to stock up on supplies, don't need to do anything.

I see for myself. You will hear any message, but I will discern it for myself regardless of the source. Someone tells me they are an expert and that they shouldn't be questioned because of that, is exactly who shouldn't be trusted.

The experts delivering these messages, even if they know the truth, will be under directives not to cause panic, etc etc. This pandemic is getting rid of a lot of sick and old people. From a financial standpoint, there may be a benefit to that happening. What are the motivations? What actually happened? I don't know, but I'm not swallowing any story because a so called expert told it. I discern for myself.

That's why I bought n95 masks and am fully ready for what's going on now. If I listened to them?.. Well... We see the statistics...

[lakerz12]

This. To blame China is to miss the point. It's the worldwide exploitation of animals that is the cause. These intensive conditions, including ones in America are breeding grounds for disease. This is common sense but so well hidden from people's minds that it goes unnoticed. This will happen again.

American meat is inspected and there are controls put in place to trace and recall any defective product. Wet Markets operate without any oversight whatsoever. Their meat is not inspected. Their sellers are not accountable to the public at large.

Only someone grossly misinformed or a 50 cent army shill would use sophistry like the previous poster employed. They are not equal. There is nothing in the world that is 100 percent. Putting on a seatbelt won't guarantee your survival in the case of a car accident. Not smoking won't guarantee you from getting lung cancer. However, we do those things because we recognize that by wearing a seatbelt we increase our odds of survival in a car accident and that by not smoking we decrease the risk of lung cancer.

The idea well nothing is a 100 percent in this world so why bother trying is foolish. There is always room for improvement with inspection and enforcement of food safety standards but our meat is for the most part safe. Also beyond the wetmarket itself China hid the outbreak to the world in it's first critical month or so which according to scientists modeling increased the chance of a worldwide pandemic by 95 percent. They also didn't share the data once they made the outbreak public with the world. Once again preventing an effective worldwide response and forcing other nations to sort of figure out the best way to respond. So yes China is to blame you damn well right they are. The WHO was complict too by being in Chinas backpocket and recommending against a travel advisory/ban to China they allowed the infection to continue to spread by nations relying on their recommendations to formulate effective policies. So f them too.

The meat is generally safe to eat. These diseases are created among living animals. They are likely to then spread from animals to workers and from workers to everyone else.

I'm not going to defend China. The truth is, I knew how dangerous this was back in January. Governments around the world knew and chose to ignore what was going on in China. You do not block off areas with tens of millions of people without knowing they're is a serious problem. This virus was allowed to spread. That is a fact. To solely blame China is useless. I can change my eating habits and MAY actually be able to influence the type of response my govt provides in this type of situation. To just blame China is not only disingenuous, it also means we are left being mad with nothing that is actionable.

There is no need to lump all blame into one category.

I.e., no one is blaming China for how other countries may have responded to the virus less than ideally.

People are blaming China for the origin of the virus. AND, for not being more forthcoming in warning other countries about it.

E.g. they could have told other countries about the seriousness of the virus in November, December, or January so those countries could decide whether or not to restrict travel at that point.

So of course the rest of the world is not blameless.

But when it comes to the origin of the virus, is China not most at fault?

Also, there are actionable steps: China could be asked to provide some reparations to the countries they damaged by not notifying them of the virus' seriousness sooner.

And, China should strongly consider improving their dangerous eating habits. Most other countries aren't selling/eating bats. Let alone raw bats and cats, dogs, etc.

By not holding China accountable for their clear mistakes, and generalizing the entire issue, you essentially are defending them.

To this day the Chinese government is hiding their actual death count. And has lied about it this entire time. If you think they are being transparent or trying to help other countries you're fooling yourself. They are a communist dictatorship that only cares about itself.

[ken6199]

1. Stay at home. Keep social distance.
2. Wear mask, wear them properly.
3. Keep in mind there is a shortage for the medical staff so don't stockpile.
4. However by properly wearing a mask which reduces the spread, you are saving a lot more masks then you use.

This is really not a hard concept I have no idea why there are still morons out there saying "don't wear a mask", "save them for the medical staff". Our leaders still need to step up further to admit their original "not recommend on mask" is because of the supply shortage above anything else. Don't wishy washy, make that message crystal clear. Know someone stockpiling them? Go get them. See price gauging? Put them in jail. You will always have those people but that's not the reason for you to chicken out and not do the right thing.

This is not only important for now for those who are out there doing essential jobs for us like food deliveries and police officers, but also critical when we go back to work because wearing masks will significantly reduce the 2nd wave of attack and you know, if we aren't careful enough there will be a 2nd wave.

Just like how US factories pumped out those hundreds of thousands of tanks and aircrafts after Pearl Harbor, I believe our manufacturing will eventually ramp up since it can't be clearer that masks will be a huge demand for many months to come.

[Saints14]

So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.

A BMO over 40 is very obese. If you mean a waist size over 40 inches and a BMI over 30, then yes, that's the standard. And yes, that person should lose weight.

I was saying just BMI calculations alone don't tell the whole story. If we go by that Russell Wilson and many NFL quarterbacks are considered obese/overweight.

Is BMI the PER of health indicators?

[Sgt Major]

https://www.rt.com/news/484623-russia-coronavirus-aid-us/

A cargo plane loaded with medical supplies and protection equipment may depart for the US by the end of the day Tuesday, the Kremlin said after a phone call between US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The issue of protective gear was raised during the Monday phone talks, with Putin asking if the US needed help and Trump accepting, Kremlin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Tuesday.

Moscow suggested the aid in anticipation that the US will be able to return the favor if necessary, once its manufacturers of medical and protective equipment catch up with the demand, Peskov said.

[niQ]

Spoiler:

Canada
Att:Ken, Courtside
Also with morons giving dumb advice that undermines their credibility and threatens our safety.

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Damn. That is not a good look.
I expected more coming from her.
Canada's numbers started slow but it's starting to balloon, with Quebec being hit the hardest.

FWIW, I was at a local Walmart last week getting groceries/essentials and noticed a lot of people wearing masks, including a lot of the staff. It's a welcome change than a video of someone wearing a mask getting kicked out of Metro a couple of weeks ago.

[Neutral 123]

1. Stay at home. Keep social distance.
2. Wear mask, wear them properly.
3. Keep in mind there is a shortage for the medical staff so don't stockpile.
4. However by properly wearing a mask which reduces the spread, you are saving a lot more masks then you use.

This is really not a hard concept I have no idea why there are still morons out there saying "don't wear a mask", "save them for the medical staff". Our leaders still need to step up further to admit their original "not recommend on mask" is because of the supply shortage above anything else. Don't wishy washy, make that message crystal clear. Know someone stockpiling them? Go get them. See price gauging? Put them in jail. You will always have those people but that's not the reason for you to chicken out and not do the right thing.

This is not only important for now for those who are out there doing essential jobs for us like food deliveries and police officers, but also critical when we go back to work because wearing masks will significantly reduce the 2nd wave of attack and you know, if we aren't careful enough there will be a 2nd wave.

Just like how US factories pumped out those hundreds of thousands of tanks and aircrafts after Pearl Harbor, I believe our manufacturing will eventually ramp up since it can't be clearer that masks will be a huge demand for many months to come.

To add. I have my masks on rotation now. I've read, the virus can last up to 4 or as long as 9 days on the masks. I do 4. Keep them in separate bags and rotate their use. I don't go out everyday and certainly not multiple times a day.

[Dirk]

If anyone is ever bored.

This is program from NHK Japan, in English - Fighting a Pandemic
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/video/5001289/

At around 29:40 they have an interesting segment on the spread of the droplets and how long they hang in the air in closed spaces.

Which helps answer the question of spreading indoors vs outdoors.

They also talk about Japan, Taiwan.

[Neutral 123]

American meat is inspected and there are controls put in place to trace and recall any defective product. Wet Markets operate without any oversight whatsoever. Their meat is not inspected. Their sellers are not accountable to the public at large.

Only someone grossly misinformed or a 50 cent army shill would use sophistry like the previous poster employed. They are not equal. There is nothing in the world that is 100 percent. Putting on a seatbelt won't guarantee your survival in the case of a car accident. Not smoking won't guarantee you from getting lung cancer. However, we do those things because we recognize that by wearing a seatbelt we increase our odds of survival in a car accident and that by not smoking we decrease the risk of lung cancer.

The idea well nothing is a 100 percent in this world so why bother trying is foolish. There is always room for improvement with inspection and enforcement of food safety standards but our meat is for the most part safe. Also beyond the wetmarket itself China hid the outbreak to the world in it's first critical month or so which according to scientists modeling increased the chance of a worldwide pandemic by 95 percent. They also didn't share the data once they made the outbreak public with the world. Once again preventing an effective worldwide response and forcing other nations to sort of figure out the best way to respond. So yes China is to blame you damn well right they are. The WHO was complict too by being in Chinas backpocket and recommending against a travel advisory/ban to China they allowed the infection to continue to spread by nations relying on their recommendations to formulate effective policies. So f them too.

The meat is generally safe to eat. These diseases are created among living animals. They are likely to then spread from animals to workers and from workers to everyone else.

I'm not going to defend China. The truth is, I knew how dangerous this was back in January. Governments around the world knew and chose to ignore what was going on in China. You do not block off areas with tens of millions of people without knowing they're is a serious problem. This virus was allowed to spread. That is a fact. To solely blame China is useless. I can change my eating habits and MAY actually be able to influence the type of response my govt provides in this type of situation. To just blame China is not only disingenuous, it also means we are left being mad with nothing that is actionable.

There is no need to lump all blame into one category.

I.e., no one is blaming China for how other countries may have responded to the virus less than ideally.

People are blaming China for the origin of the virus. AND, for not being more forthcoming in warning other countries about it.

E.g. they could have told other countries about the seriousness of the virus in November, December, or January so those countries could decide whether or not to restrict travel at that point.

So of course the rest of the world is not blameless.

But when it comes to the origin of the virus, is China not most at fault?

Also, there are actionable steps: China could be asked to provide some reparations to the countries they damaged by not notifying them of the virus' seriousness sooner.

And, China should strongly consider improving their dangerous eating habits. Most other countries aren't selling/eating bats. Let alone raw bats and cats, dogs, etc.

By not holding China accountable for their clear mistakes, and generalizing the entire issue, you essentially are defending them.

To this day the Chinese government is hiding their actual death count. And has lied about it this entire time. If you think they are being transparent or trying to help other countries you're fooling yourself. They are a communist dictatorship that only cares about itself.

I do not expect China to protect me from foreign threats. They ARE the foreign threat. To say that they should have warned the world is to lie about what actually happened.
It was clear to anyone paying attention that this virus was out of control and serious enough that China needed to blockade tens of millions of people.

It is a lie to infer that the risk was not known. That is the responsibility of our government, not China. Lol you really think China is going to pay reparations to the rest of the world? Lol... And frankly, they shouldn't either.

As for the practices that cause these types of diseases, there are from the wild animal trade, of which the West is also a part, even if these animals don't end up eaten, and the other is intensive animal farming, which essentially become disease making factories with sick animals crammed in with the relatively healthy, and unable to escape.

There have been many diseases created from these conditions from the mid 70s and this one is not the last.

We can play games and ask China for reparations, or we can be leaders in effecting real change. The world has earned this pandemic. The whole world. That is a fact.

[LKN]

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[nymets1]

So, shaking hands as a greeting is officially dead moving forward, right?

I always would give people fist bumps, but I'm going to retire that as well.

What if both people wash their hands with soap and water for 20 seconds, than they can do the handshakes because both know their hands are clean.

[spikeslovechild]

The meat is generally safe to eat. These diseases are created among living animals. They are likely to then spread from animals to workers and from workers to everyone else.

I'm not going to defend China. The truth is, I knew how dangerous this was back in January. Governments around the world knew and chose to ignore what was going on in China. You do not block off areas with tens of millions of people without knowing they're is a serious problem. This virus was allowed to spread. That is a fact. To solely blame China is useless. I can change my eating habits and MAY actually be able to influence the type of response my govt provides in this type of situation. To just blame China is not only disingenuous, it also means we are left being mad with nothing that is actionable.

There is no need to lump all blame into one category.

I.e., no one is blaming China for how other countries may have responded to the virus less than ideally.

People are blaming China for the origin of the virus. AND, for not being more forthcoming in warning other countries about it.

E.g. they could have told other countries about the seriousness of the virus in November, December, or January so those countries could decide whether or not to restrict travel at that point.

So of course the rest of the world is not blameless.

But when it comes to the origin of the virus, is China not most at fault?

Also, there are actionable steps: China could be asked to provide some reparations to the countries they damaged by not notifying them of the virus' seriousness sooner.

And, China should strongly consider improving their dangerous eating habits. Most other countries aren't selling/eating bats. Let alone raw bats and cats, dogs, etc.

By not holding China accountable for their clear mistakes, and generalizing the entire issue, you essentially are defending them.

To this day the Chinese government is hiding their actual death count. And has lied about it this entire time. If you think they are being transparent or trying to help other countries you're fooling yourself. They are a communist dictatorship that only cares about itself.

I do not expect China to protect me from foreign threats. They ARE the foreign threat. To say that they should have warned the world is to lie about what actually happened.
It was clear to anyone paying attention that this virus was out of control and serious enough that China needed to blockade tens of millions of people.

It is a lie to infer that the risk was not known. That is the responsibility of our government, not China. Lol you really think China is going to pay reparations to the rest of the world? Lol... And frankly, they shouldn't either.

As for the practices that cause these types of diseases, there are from the wild animal trade, of which the West is also a part, even if these animals don't end up eaten, and the other is intensive animal farming, which essentially become disease making factories with sick animals crammed in with the relatively healthy, and unable to escape.

There have been many diseases created from these conditions from the mid 70s and this one is not the last.

We can play games and ask China for reparations, or we can be leaders in effecting real change. The world has earned this pandemic. The whole world. That is a fact.

If you can't see the difference between factory farming which has some questionable practices from a moral and ethical perspective but is still regularly inspected by the FDA and has controls put in place to trace any comprised product back to the source and this outbreak I don't know how to have a reasonable discussion with you.

[Neutral 123]

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It's naive to think these officials all made these recommendations of no masks on their own in a coordinated fashion. Telling the public that masks don't help would facilitate the spread, which we don't know if that is part of the directive.

There also we're not enough masks for people to wear, so there was no point in encouraging or mandating their use as that would possibly create violence. But to say they simply didn't know better, while possible, sounds pretty naive imo. To suggest they simply didn't want to scare people is naive.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Neutral 123]

There is no need to lump all blame into one category.

I.e., no one is blaming China for how other countries may have responded to the virus less than ideally.

People are blaming China for the origin of the virus. AND, for not being more forthcoming in warning other countries about it.

E.g. they could have told other countries about the seriousness of the virus in November, December, or January so those countries could decide whether or not to restrict travel at that point.

So of course the rest of the world is not blameless.

But when it comes to the origin of the virus, is China not most at fault?

Also, there are actionable steps: China could be asked to provide some reparations to the countries they damaged by not notifying them of the virus' seriousness sooner.

And, China should strongly consider improving their dangerous eating habits. Most other countries aren't selling/eating bats. Let alone raw bats and cats, dogs, etc.

By not holding China accountable for their clear mistakes, and generalizing the entire issue, you essentially are defending them.

To this day the Chinese government is hiding their actual death count. And has lied about it this entire time. If you think they are being transparent or trying to help other countries you're fooling yourself. They are a communist dictatorship that only cares about itself.

I do not expect China to protect me from foreign threats. They ARE the foreign threat. To say that they should have warned the world is to lie about what actually happened.
It was clear to anyone paying attention that this virus was out of control and serious enough that China needed to blockade tens of millions of people.

It is a lie to infer that the risk was not known. That is the responsibility of our government, not China. Lol you really think China is going to pay reparations to the rest of the world? Lol... And frankly, they shouldn't either.

As for the practices that cause these types of diseases, there are from the wild animal trade, of which the West is also a part, even if these animals don't end up eaten, and the other is intensive animal farming, which essentially become disease making factories with sick animals crammed in with the relatively healthy, and unable to escape.

There have been many diseases created from these conditions from the mid 70s and this one is not the last.

We can play games and ask China for reparations, or we can be leaders in effecting real change. The world has earned this pandemic. The whole world. That is a fact.

If you can't see the difference between factory farming which has some questionable practices from a moral and ethical perspective but is still regularly inspected by the FDA and has controls put in place to trace any comprised product back to the source and this outbreak I don't know how to have a reasonable discussion with you.

You keep focusing on product. This is not about the meat. It's not about the final product. It is largely about live animals. Viruses mutate among live animals,

creating new and deadly disease that are more likely to pass to humans through interaction with life animals or the processing. So yes, it is very unlikely that you will get some new disease from eating a properly cooked piece of meat.

You will get it from a farm where a new disease was created and spread to workers and carries across countries and the world.

In fact, it has NOT been proven or even widely accepted that this was from a bat, eating bat or whatever. It just seems clear it originated in China. I get it. It gets hard now when this involves changes on our part instead of just getting angry at someone else.

[nymets1]

Out of everyone, Fauci has been most upfront. Social distancing works. As for masks, he states that the government was telling people not to wear masks because they were on shortage to provide hospitals nation-wide - which we all figured. Just as hospitals are now requiring all healthcare personnel wear masks at all times inside the hospital, the CDC will start mandating the public wearing masks with more supply.

It's too late to make everyone wear masks if it gets mandated. I say mandate everyone wears a mask if we are past the 1st wave and we are about to enter a potential 2nd wave of the virus late this year or early next year. So do it for the potential 2nd wave if there is a 2nd wave. But it's too late now in the 1st wave.

[LKN]

I do not expect China to protect me from foreign threats. They ARE the foreign threat. To say that they should have warned the world is to lie about what actually happened.
It was clear to anyone paying attention that this virus was out of control and serious enough that China needed to blockade tens of millions of people.

It is a lie to infer that the risk was not known. That is the responsibility of our government, not China. Lol you really think China is going to pay reparations to the rest of the world? Lol... And frankly, they shouldn't either.

As for the practices that cause these types of diseases, there are from the wild animal trade, of which the West is also a part, even if these animals don't end up eaten, and the other is intensive animal farming, which essentially become disease making factories with sick animals crammed in with the relatively healthy, and unable to escape.

There have been many diseases created from these conditions from the mid 70s and this one is not the last.

We can play games and ask China for reparations, or we can be leaders in effecting real change. The world has earned this pandemic. The whole world. That is a fact.

If you can't see the difference between factory farming which has some questionable practices from a moral and ethical perspective but is still regularly inspected by the FDA and has controls put in place to trace any comprised product back to the source and this outbreak I don't know how to have a reasonable discussion with you.

You keep focusing on product. This is not about the meat. It's not about the final product. It is largely about live animals. Viruses mutate among live animals,

creating new and deadly disease that are more likely to pass to humans through interaction with life animals or the processing. So yes, it is very unlikely that you will get some new disease from eating a properly cooked piece of meat.

You will get it from a farm where a new disease was created and spread to workers and carries across countries and the world.

In fact, it has NOT been proven or even widely accepted that this was from a bat, eating bat or whatever. It just seems clear it originated in China. I get it. It gets hard now when this involves changes on our part instead of just getting angry at someone else.

One theory on the origin of the 1918 Spanish Flu is that it came from a farm in Kansas (jumped species from pig to human).

[ken6199]

1. Stay at home. Keep social distance.
2. Wear mask, wear them properly.
3. Keep in mind there is a shortage for the medical staff so don't stockpile.
4. However by properly wearing a mask which reduces the spread, you are saving a lot more masks then you use.

This is really not a hard concept I have no idea why there are still morons out there saying "don't wear a mask", "save them for the medical staff". Our leaders still need to step up further to admit their original "not recommend on mask" is because of the supply shortage above anything else. Don't wishy washy, make that message crystal clear. Know someone stockpiling them? Go get them. See price gauging? Put them in jail. You will always have those people but that's not the reason for you to chicken out and not do the right thing.

This is not only important for now for those who are out there doing essential jobs for us like food deliveries and police officers, but also critical when we go back to work because wearing masks will significantly reduce the 2nd wave of attack and you know, if we aren't careful enough there will be a 2nd wave.

Just like how US factories pumped out those hundreds of thousands of tanks and aircrafts after Pearl Harbor, I believe our manufacturing will eventually ramp up since it can't be clearer that masks will be a huge demand for many months to come.

To add. I have my masks on rotation now. I've read, the virus can last up to 4 or as long as 9 days on the masks. I do 4. Keep them in separate bags and rotate their use. I don't go out everyday and certainly not multiple times a day.

Good stuff. And if you have rubbing alcohol, you can sanitize your mask outer surface too. I sanitize and rotate with 2. Those grocery trips are pretty short anyway, about 30 minutes each starting from entering the store to getting back into the car.

This is also new, that Battelle has developed mask sterilization process and it just got approved by FDA. It can potentially make an n95 reusable by 20 times.

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[nymets1]

This is not only important for now for those who are out there doing essential jobs for us like food deliveries and police officers, but also critical when we go back to work because wearing masks will significantly reduce the 2nd wave of attack and you know, if we aren't careful enough there will be a 2nd wave.

If a 2nd wave is possible, Could the USA shut down a possible 2nd wave by shutting down any travel IN/OUT of the USA?