Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[6ixSideSniper]

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

The popular mood/tide/trend in this thread is to focus on worst case scenarios and negative news.

I don't know why that is. Honestly. It's sad though.

Of course we should look at worst case scenarios but we should also consider best case scenarios and every scenario in between.

It's like some people are rooting for the virus. I don't think they even realize they are doing it, but they seem biased toward the bad happening.

Meanwhile, we are at in fact around 42,006 worldwide deaths and 3,779 deaths in the U.S.

One could argue that with social distancing, increased awareness, medical treatment advances, increased supply manufacturing, etc. that we MIGHT be able to contain this thing and likely keep deaths WAY BELOW the estimates from a couple weeks ago (where many were saying millions of deaths).

But, as you've noticed, pointing out potential good news is not popular here. The good news is, people are working tirelessly to keep the death count low and what those on the sidelines say is just noise. Including this post.

Interesting. I'm on many different sports forums and anymore most are overtaken with Coronavirus threads. I've mostly lurked here but I've noticed that, more then any other board, this one seems to really be pushing the fear side of this virus. Now, I have no idea if that's because of the specific posters here or if it's the people in charge wanting things more intense/fear driven, but it also seems to be a little bit much because of that. Like, this thing is obviously a scary threat but the fact that some posters can basically say everyone is going to die and get away with it, then the very next poster will reply with " I think we will be fine "..only to get bashed.

The truth is both sides of that spectrum are wrong. The guy saying "this will be a blood bath " is just as bad as the guy saying " we will be fine".... Don't let fear control your life people. Seriously, we are all fighting this together and if you let fear control you at every step during this you're going to get destroyed. Turn CNN off and breath. Trust me.

What does it mean to be in fear of the virus? Carry on with your normal life? Because thats terrible advice.

[Courtside]

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I'm no expert, and this is just from a quick google search, but apparently it's better to simply let the mask dry for 2-3 days instead of using rubbing alcohol or soap, if you plan to reuse it..

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/disinfect-clean-n95-mask-virus-coronavirus/

Good info. Actually I put the alcohol into a spray bottle, give a little spray and hang for a couple of days. Hopefully that was at least better than dipping them into alcohol completely, or actually rubbing.

I have 99.9% alcohol and also use a small spray bottle. For spraying surfaces or masks, I was using it pure, but it's actually better to dilute with a touch of water so it flows a little better and evaporates less quickly. That one I mix to about 85% alcohol. I have another little spray bottle which goes everywhere with me, which I use in place of a gel or something, and that one is mixed about 85% alcohol to 15% water, plus a good squeeze of dish soap. This also helps the alcohol flow and reach places better and the dish soap is a light lube which keeps it from drying out your hands. I seem to use it most when getting into or out of the car, before entering and taking off my mask.

The thing with disinfecting masks, there are a few different things, and none of them need that weird hydrogen peroxide treatment that Battelle company was suggesting. They're basically charging for a fancy pickup and delivery service, which is worth something, but they'd be better off setting up large scale UVC rooms where masks are hung up and then pulverized with 265nm rays for 15 minutes. It would kill everything dead without ever putting chemicals on them, moistening them, etc...

Apparently 70C is the temperature that kills the virus, so a industrial oven would also do the trick, as long as the temp is just a little higher than that and not affecting the materials themselves, which were originally made using a meltblown or spunblown process and have a melting point that starts around 120C. 85C seems like a safe temp to me, but someone with proper lab testing should hopefully do this sort of evaluation.

Masks can be sanitized and re-used as long as the person wearing it isn't damaging them, the elastics are still tight enough, and that sweat or spit aren't clogging them up.

One positive side of effect of wide spread mask wearing is that people with bad breath will suddenly have a very clear idea of what everyone else has been smelling all this time.

[og15]

I watch the news and these white house briefings hoping somebody would ask my question: How many people do you think have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases? So I tweeted that to MSNBC and FOXNEWS. I would say at least 1 million USA residents have caught it and have recovered that are not confirmed cases.

There's no way to know this. There's no way to get 100% of the statistics for anything like this. Just like with the flu numbers, you have to make some projections at some point.

[Gomagic44]

What a sad state of affairs.

I asked my CEO today about my test. Am I one of the 6 pending in lake county florida? She says maybe they lost it. I doubt the virus is still present in my body. So there is a lost statistic. Now I'm asking her where I should drive to get a negative result in less than the week I've been waiting for my positive result. Or do they not delay/lose my negative result?

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Doesn't surprise me they lost your test.

Sorry I know you wanted it for peace of mind.

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[spikeslovechild]

I do not expect China to protect me from foreign threats. They ARE the foreign threat. To say that they should have warned the world is to lie about what actually happened.
It was clear to anyone paying attention that this virus was out of control and serious enough that China needed to blockade tens of millions of people.

It is a lie to infer that the risk was not known. That is the responsibility of our government, not China. Lol you really think China is going to pay reparations to the rest of the world? Lol... And frankly, they shouldn't either.

As for the practices that cause these types of diseases, there are from the wild animal trade, of which the West is also a part, even if these animals don't end up eaten, and the other is intensive animal farming, which essentially become disease making factories with sick animals crammed in with the relatively healthy, and unable to escape.

There have been many diseases created from these conditions from the mid 70s and this one is not the last.

We can play games and ask China for reparations, or we can be leaders in effecting real change. The world has earned this pandemic. The whole world. That is a fact.

If you can't see the difference between factory farming which has some questionable practices from a moral and ethical perspective but is still regularly inspected by the FDA and has controls put in place to trace any comprised product back to the source and this outbreak I don't know how to have a reasonable discussion with you.

You keep focusing on product. This is not about the meat. It's not about the final product. It is largely about live animals. Viruses mutate among live animals,

creating new and deadly disease that are more likely to pass to humans through interaction with life animals or the processing. So yes, it is very unlikely that you will get some new disease from eating a properly cooked piece of meat.

You will get it from a farm where a new disease was created and spread to workers and carries across countries and the world.

In fact, it has NOT been proven or even widely accepted that this was from a bat, eating bat or whatever. It just seems clear it originated in China. I get it. It gets hard now when this involves changes on our part instead of just getting angry at someone else.

Once again there are standards for how meat is butchered in the united states. There are standards of how it is prepared in most other developed nations as well. Hell even China I assume has some basic standards as well at least for the products they wish to export which would be enforced by the CFDA.

Here are the FDA guidelines: https://www.fda.gov/media/110822/download

There are none at the wet market it's the wild-wild west and more to the point they are selling animals that are not commonly consumed so there is no tracking of what is happening out in the wild as it relates to diseases in the animal food chain. The other poster mentioned there are many potential pandemics that we aren't even aware of that is because for the most part the system works and the diseased animals are removed from the supply chain before it gets to this point . It's a large part of the reason why we still don't know to this day WHAT animal caused the pandemic I mean we now the bat was the likely source but we still don't know the intermediary think of how frighting that is? China needs to change it's medieval practices or be isolated from the world community. It really is that simple.

[nymets1]

They need to do these antibodies/ immunity tests on US citizens that are not confirmed cases to find out which people have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases. Because anybody who's a confirmed case that has recovered, They know it and other people know it.

The more people that have Type O Blood the better. If they caught the virus and recovered because Type O blood is the only one that can their blood to anybody. But if your Type O positive blood like I am, than I would have to get blood from Type O blood positive. Type 0 blood positive can't receive blood from Type 0 negative but Type O negative can get blood from Type 0 positive.

[hippesthippo]

Anybody else seriously tired of hearing the phrases "In these trying times," and "We're all in this together."

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I mean, I get it. This sucks. A lot. It's obvious. It's just monotonous and annoying hearing it over and over and over...

[karkinos]

They need to do these antibodies/ immunity tests on US citizens that are not confirmed cases to find out which people have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases. Because anybody who's a confirmed case that has recovered, They know it and other people know it.

The more people that have Type O Blood the better. If they caught the virus and recovered because Type O blood is the only one that can their blood to anybody. But if your Type O positive blood like I am, than I would have to get blood from Type O blood positive. Type 0 blood positive can't receive blood from Type 0 negative but Type O negative can get blood from Type 0 positive.

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if you want the antibodies, you can get them from plasma

and for plasma specifically, type AB is universal donor for plasma.

this isn't to be confused with type O blood because when you are only transfusing plasma, you do not need the red cells.

[ken6199]

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[basketballRob]

They need to do these antibodies/ immunity tests on US citizens that are not confirmed cases to find out which people have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases. Because anybody who's a confirmed case that has recovered, They know it and other people know it.

The more people that have Type O Blood the better. If they caught the virus and recovered because Type O blood is the only one that can their blood to anybody. But if your Type O positive blood like I am, than I would have to get blood from Type O blood positive. Type 0 blood positive can't receive blood from Type 0 negative but Type O negative can get blood from Type 0 positive.

I'm O positive too, it's the most common type. I think O's have more longevity. 70% of people over 99 are O types. Just make sure you take care of you heart.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4614285/

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[Neutral 123]

Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

Deal with the real problem and that is that the choice of the stock market was made over going into a pandemic plan. Weather ? No. It is about how everything is open for business. It is going to make this drag on in the states for a long time and have a higher ecomic and life impact. Regarldess if you watch cnn. Tune into SKY UK or ABC Australia. If your to paranoid and dilusional to trust your local news. But deal with facts and reality and not what ifs.

Exactly. I could post many clips from doctors on the front lines sharing just how ugly this has become in many places around the world. And while we can't prove the motivations of these decisions, nothing can be taken off the table. Because it is have that much was known and this disease before it left China. I know that because I was following it.

The mass quarantines, the dead piling up, the ridiculously high rate at which it spreads and they were telling us it's low risk, the flu is worse and that there's no need to screen people at airports.

These are the facts. They are hard, they are cold, but they are the truth. What this whole thing has clearly demonstrated to me is that we are on our own. We must see for ourselves, because if I didn't, my family and I would have really been in harms way. We still are, but at least my preparation has given us a real chance at coming out of this unscathed.

[nymets1]

They need to do these antibodies/ immunity tests on US citizens that are not confirmed cases to find out which people have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases. Because anybody who's a confirmed case that has recovered, They know it and other people know it.

The more people that have Type O Blood the better. If they caught the virus and recovered because Type O blood is the only one that can their blood to anybody. But if your Type O positive blood like I am, than I would have to get blood from Type O blood positive. Type 0 blood positive can't receive blood from Type 0 negative but Type O negative can get blood from Type 0 positive.

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if you want the antibodies, you can get them from plasma

and for plasma specifically, type AB is universal donor for plasma.

this isn't to be confused with type O blood because when you are only transfusing plasma, you do not need the red cells.

Type O blood is the universal donor. Type O can give their blood to anybody except Type O Negative can't give their blood to Type O positive.

[nymets1]

They need to do these antibodies/ immunity tests on US citizens that are not confirmed cases to find out which people have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases. Because anybody who's a confirmed case that has recovered, They know it and other people know it.

The more people that have Type O Blood the better. If they caught the virus and recovered because Type O blood is the only one that can their blood to anybody. But if your Type O positive blood like I am, than I would have to get blood from Type O blood positive. Type 0 blood positive can't receive blood from Type 0 negative but Type O negative can get blood from Type 0 positive.

I'm O positive too, it's the most common type. I think O's have more longevity. 70% of people over 99 are O types. Just make sure you take care of you heart.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4614285/

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I think most of my family is either Type O positive or Type O Negative. Everybody needs to be aware what blood type they are.

[Neutral 123]

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Great info. They've put the number out there. 2 million. That was the number projected by the CDC for an outbreak with a similar kill rate.

Now the onus has been dumped in the people. Don't listen and it's 2 million. What do you think is more likely?

[Neutral 123]

If you can't see the difference between factory farming which has some questionable practices from a moral and ethical perspective but is still regularly inspected by the FDA and has controls put in place to trace any comprised product back to the source and this outbreak I don't know how to have a reasonable discussion with you.

You keep focusing on product. This is not about the meat. It's not about the final product. It is largely about live animals. Viruses mutate among live animals,

creating new and deadly disease that are more likely to pass to humans through interaction with life animals or the processing. So yes, it is very unlikely that you will get some new disease from eating a properly cooked piece of meat.

You will get it from a farm where a new disease was created and spread to workers and carries across countries and the world.

In fact, it has NOT been proven or even widely accepted that this was from a bat, eating bat or whatever. It just seems clear it originated in China. I get it. It gets hard now when this involves changes on our part instead of just getting angry at someone else.

Once again there are standards for how meat is butchered in the united states. There are standards of how it is prepared in most other developed nations as well. Hell even China I assume has some basic standards as well at least for the products they wish to export which would be enforced by the CFDA.

Here are the FDA guidelines: https://www.fda.gov/media/110822/download

There are none at the wet market it's the wild-wild west and more to the point they are selling animals that are not commonly consumed so there is no tracking of what is happening out in the wild as it relates to diseases in the animal food chain. The other poster mentioned there are many potential pandemics that we aren't even aware of that is because for the most part the system works and the diseased animals are removed from the supply chain before it gets to this point . It's a large part of the reason why we still don't know to this day WHAT animal caused the pandemic I mean we now the bat was the likely source but we still don't know the intermediary think of how frighting that is? China needs to change it's medieval practices or be isolated from the world community. It really is that simple.

When you raise thousands of animals jammed together it creates new diseases. What part of that do you not understand?

[nymets1]

Last night's number's as of 9pm from bing.com/covid

USA-163,479 confirmed cases- 5604 recoveries- Recoveries went from 4435 to 5604
Florida- 5704 confirmed cases- Still have 0 recoveries

California- 6388 confirmed cases
Georgia- 3082 confirmed cases
Illinois- 5057 confirmed cases
Louisana- 4025 confirmed cases
Massachussets- 5752 confirmed cases
Michigan- 6498 confirmed cases
New jersey- 16,636 confirmed cases
Pennsylvania- 4087 confirmed cases
Texas- 2877 confirmed cases
Washington- 5298 confirmed cases
New York- 66,497 confirmed cases

China- 76052 recoveries but still 2161 active cases
South Korea- 5288 recoveries but still 4275 active cases
Italy- 101,739 confirmed cases( 14,620 recoveries but still 75,528 active cases)
Spain- 87,956 confirmed cases( 16,780 recoveries but still 63,460 active cases)

So I noticed with Georgia, Illinois, Louisana, New Jersey, Texas there are small increases in their confirmed cases around 4000 each per state while the other top states are still increasing around 10000 new confirmed cases per day. So lets keep an eye on Georgia, Illinois, Louisana, New Jersey and Texas over the next few days if maybe those states have reached a peak and their confirmed cases per day maybe continue to drop or if any of these states shoot up in confirmed cases the next day.

Today's numbers as of 9:15 pm from bing.com/covid

USA- 188,633 confirmed cases- 7068 recoveries, Recoveries went from 5604 to 7068
Florida- 6791 confirmed cases- We still have 0 recoveries

California- 7477 confirmed cases
Georgia- 4117 confirmed cases
Illinois- 5994 confirmed cases
Louisana- 5237 confirmed cases
Massachussets- 6620 confirmed cases
Michigan- 7615 confirmed cases
New Jersey- 18,696 confirmed cases
Pennsylvania- 4843 confirmed cases
Texas- 3266 confirmed cases
Washington- 5561 confirmed cases
New York- 75,795 confirmed cases

China- 76052 recoveries but still 2161 active cases
South Korea-5408 recoveries but still 4216 active cases
Italy-105,792 active cases( 15,729 recoveries but still 77,635 active cases)
Spain- 95,923 active cases( 19,259 recoveries but still 68,200 active cases)

Unfortunately Georgia and Illinois had a surge today in confirmed cases after each only went up around 4000 confirmed cases yesterday. New Jersey and Texas has now had 2 straight days of small increases in confirmed cases.

Washington's confirmed cases only went up from 5298 to 5561

So now I'm going to be watching New Jersey, Texas and Washington.

I refreshed the page on bing.com/ covid and the USA recoveries went up from 6913 to 7068 so now I'll change my update from 9pm to 9:15 pm.

[karkinos]

They need to do these antibodies/ immunity tests on US citizens that are not confirmed cases to find out which people have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases. Because anybody who's a confirmed case that has recovered, They know it and other people know it.

The more people that have Type O Blood the better. If they caught the virus and recovered because Type O blood is the only one that can their blood to anybody. But if your Type O positive blood like I am, than I would have to get blood from Type O blood positive. Type 0 blood positive can't receive blood from Type 0 negative but Type O negative can get blood from Type 0 positive.

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if you want the antibodies, you can get them from plasma

and for plasma specifically, type AB is universal donor for plasma.

this isn't to be confused with type O blood because when you are only transfusing plasma, you do not need the red cells.

Type O blood is the universal donor. Type O can give their blood to anybody except Type O Negative can't give their blood to Type O positive.

....Type O is the universal donor for red blood cells but would not apply for the context of immunity that you inferred in your original post.


blood is separated into two parts
1. plasma (the stuff red blood cells are suspended in)
2. red cells

Type O blood does not have A or B antigen so the plasma has anti-A and anti-B antibodies.
if you're talking about transfusion for immunity, you are only donating the plasma.
If you transfuse type O blood's plasma, you're going to transfuse hella anti-A and anti-B antibodies and cause hemolysis

Type AB blood red cells express A and B antigens on the surface so the plasma does not have either anti-A or anti-B antibodies. This is why they are the universal donor for plasma.

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/types-of-blood-donations/plasma-donation.html

[basketballRob]

They need to do these antibodies/ immunity tests on US citizens that are not confirmed cases to find out which people have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases. Because anybody who's a confirmed case that has recovered, They know it and other people know it.

The more people that have Type O Blood the better. If they caught the virus and recovered because Type O blood is the only one that can their blood to anybody. But if your Type O positive blood like I am, than I would have to get blood from Type O blood positive. Type 0 blood positive can't receive blood from Type 0 negative but Type O negative can get blood from Type 0 positive.

I'm O positive too, it's the most common type. I think O's have more longevity. 70% of people over 99 are O types. Just make sure you take care of you heart.



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I think most of my family is either Type O positive or Type O Negative. Everybody needs to be aware what blood type they are.

This lady claims 0's live to be an average of 86.7 years.

https://ezinearticles.com/?Blood-Group-and-Longevity---Is-the-Answer-in-Your-Blood-Type?&id=6836463

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[Neutral 123]

The popular mood/tide/trend in this thread is to focus on worst case scenarios and negative news.

I don't know why that is. Honestly. It's sad though.

Of course we should look at worst case scenarios but we should also consider best case scenarios and every scenario in between.

It's like some people are rooting for the virus. I don't think they even realize they are doing it, but they seem biased toward the bad happening.

Meanwhile, we are at in fact around 42,006 worldwide deaths and 3,779 deaths in the U.S.

One could argue that with social distancing, increased awareness, medical treatment advances, increased supply manufacturing, etc. that we MIGHT be able to contain this thing and likely keep deaths WAY BELOW the estimates from a couple weeks ago (where many were saying millions of deaths).

But, as you've noticed, pointing out potential good news is not popular here. The good news is, people are working tirelessly to keep the death count low and what those on the sidelines say is just noise. Including this post.

Interesting. I'm on many different sports forums and anymore most are overtaken with Coronavirus threads. I've mostly lurked here but I've noticed that, more then any other board, this one seems to really be pushing the fear side of this virus. Now, I have no idea if that's because of the specific posters here or if it's the people in charge wanting things more intense/fear driven, but it also seems to be a little bit much because of that. Like, this thing is obviously a scary threat but the fact that some posters can basically say everyone is going to die and get away with it, then the very next poster will reply with " I think we will be fine "..only to get bashed.

The truth is both sides of that spectrum are wrong. The guy saying "this will be a blood bath " is just as bad as the guy saying " we will be fine".... Don't let fear control your life people. Seriously, we are all fighting this together and if you let fear control you at every step during this you're going to get destroyed. Turn CNN off and breath. Trust me.

What does it mean to be in fear of the virus? Carry on with your normal life? Because thats terrible advice.

Exactly. Fear is an emotion, not an action. Some want to hear what's pleasing to read because the truth is 'scary'. But we need facts, we need an open mind and we need information that is actionable. And I can say with absolute certainty that I've gotten better information from a source like Peak Prosperity than I have from the so called experts. What a shame.

[ken6199]

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Great info. They've put the number out there. 2 million. That was the number projected by the CDC for an outbreak with a similar kill rate.

Now the onus has been dumped in the people. Don't listen and it's 2 million. What do you think is more likely?

At this point honestly nobody knows. As those data scientists say, we don't have a model yet but once we have a model that model probably won't be much helpful anyway (because it means we will have already passed the peak).

One thing I do know is, extending the lockdown to 4/30 helps reducing the total number.