Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[LKN]

I'm O positive too, it's the most common type. I think O's have more longevity. 70% of people over 99 are O types. Just make sure you take care of you heart.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4614285/

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I think most of my family is either Type O positive or Type O Negative. Everybody needs to be aware what blood type they are.

This lady claims 0's live to be an average of 86.7 years.

https://ezinearticles.com/?Blood-Group-and-Longevity---Is-the-Answer-in-Your-Blood-Type?&id=6836463

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That lady needs to provide some citations.... that looks like quackery

[Neutral 123]

Latest projection from the WH.

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Great info. They've put the number out there. 2 million. That was the number projected by the CDC for an outbreak with a similar kill rate.

Now the onus has been dumped in the people. Don't listen and it's 2 million. What do you think is more likely?

At this point honestly nobody knows. As those data scientists say, we don't have a model yet but once we have a model that model probably won't be much helpful anyway (because it means we will have already passed the peak).

One thing I do know is, extending the lockdown to 4/30 helps reducing the total number.

The mechanism I see reducing the number is that as long as hospital systems aren't overwhelmed more people will be treated properly and can be saved. But with current treatment, those gains seem marginal.

I wonder how this will reduce the total significantly when this is pretty well impossible to get rid of completely and when lockdowns end, this will continue to ramp up.

To me, social distancing only serves to prolong.

From what I've read, getting a small viral load gives one a much better chance of experiencing mild to no symptoms. One of the reasons I wear a mask is because even though infection may be inevitable, a small viral load will make this as painless as possible. It also buys more time, in case there is a treatment protocol that actually works.

Everything now is speculation and everyone getting sick are guinea pigs at this point.

[nymets1]

Oh I just refreshed the page again on bing.com and the USA confirmed cases went from 188,633 to 188,713. I try to do the updates every night at 9pm because that's when the numbers seem to stop going up until we get to the next day around mid morning.

Now that it's almost 10 pm eastern time that should be it for the confirmed cases going up until Wednesday before or around mid morning.

[TMU]

Out of everyone, Fauci has been most upfront. Social distancing works. As for masks, he states that the government was telling people not to wear masks because they were on shortage to provide hospitals nation-wide - which we all figured. Just as hospitals are now requiring all healthcare personnel wear masks at all times inside the hospital, the CDC will start mandating the public wearing masks with more supply.

It's too late to make everyone wear masks if it gets mandated. I say mandate everyone wears a mask if we are past the 1st wave and we are about to enter a potential 2nd wave of the virus late this year or early next year. So do it for the potential 2nd wave if there is a 2nd wave. But it's too late now in the 1st wave.

I respectfully disagree. I'm not an ID doc or a pulmonologist, but I do work in a major health system and in my humble opinion, the way I see it is that this is far from over. The course of disease transmission has varied from region to region, but more importantly it remains pretty active in most states. Wearing a mask raises awareness and protects that individual from acquiring or transmitting the disease to a degree. You can't force someone to wear masks, but with enough supply, I do think that the CDC should recommend them to the public.

[basketballRob]

I think most of my family is either Type O positive or Type O Negative. Everybody needs to be aware what blood type they are.

This lady claims 0's live to be an average of 86.7 years.

https://ezinearticles.com/?Blood-Group-and-Longevity---Is-the-Answer-in-Your-Blood-Type?&id=6836463

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That lady needs to provide some citations.... that looks like quackery

I probably shouldn't have posted that. She isn't citing any sources.

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[LKN]

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[G R E Y]

Gyms, parks, beaches, golf courses, soccer fields etc. All closed.

Yes there are other ways to stay in shape, but the closures are preventing normal, healthy behaviors.

That's not something to take lightly.

Some people will pursue alternatives, but many will use this as a reason to be lazy and eat and drink and gain 20 lbs.

Yeah, I mean everyone's situation is different and if you are in fact in a true quarantine it becomes more challenging, but there is still no excuse not to remain fairly healthy other than being lazy if we are holding ourselves to the least amount of accountability (granted, I had pulled pork hoagies for dinner and some ruffles after, so I get it lol). But for the many people like myself who have plenty of open nature (or at the very least places to walk without being with groups), there's 0 excuse not to get outside and maintain.

Agree here. I live right next to a rail trail, and get out normally anyway but it's been way busier lately. Is kinda nice working from home and just being able to go outside and walk or run if I want (but tbh I kinda liked it when I had it more to myself haha).

Don't people work out at home anymore? So many options available, even with little to no equipment. Good for keeping up a routine on rainy days. Also, you can work out at home without needing a mask. That said, some fresh air and sunshine is great, too. (She said, after slipping from her routine the last three days...).

Speaking of masks, it's been encouraging that so many people are wearing them now, though I've no idea where they're getting them from. So so hard to get.

[nymets1]

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if you want the antibodies, you can get them from plasma

and for plasma specifically, type AB is universal donor for plasma.

this isn't to be confused with type O blood because when you are only transfusing plasma, you do not need the red cells.

Type O blood is the universal donor. Type O can give their blood to anybody except Type O Negative can't give their blood to Type O positive.

....Type O is the universal donor for red blood cells but would not apply for the context of immunity that you inferred in your original post.


blood is separated into two parts
1. plasma (the stuff red blood cells are suspended in)
2. red cells

Type O blood does not have A or B antigen so the plasma has anti-A and anti-B antibodies.
if you're talking about transfusion for immunity, you are only donating the plasma.
If you transfuse type O blood's plasma, you're going to transfuse hella anti-A and anti-B antibodies and cause hemolysis

Type AB blood red cells express A and B antigens on the surface so the plasma does not have either anti-A or anti-B antibodies. This is why they are the universal donor for plasma.

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/types-of-blood-donations/plasma-donation.html

So if Type AB blood is the universal donor for the (plasma), Type AB blood is only 4% of the population so that's a very small %. So it's my understanding for the immunity/ antibodies test and correct me if something is incorrect that the type AB blood is the universal donor so if we are:

Type A blood- They have to get it from Type A or Type AB
Type B blood- They have to get it from Type B or Type AB
Type O negative- They have to get it from Type O Negative or Type AB
Type O positive- They have to get it from Type O positive or Type AB
But type AB only get it from type AB?

[Triples333]

Yeah, I mean everyone's situation is different and if you are in fact in a true quarantine it becomes more challenging, but there is still no excuse not to remain fairly healthy other than being lazy if we are holding ourselves to the least amount of accountability (granted, I had pulled pork hoagies for dinner and some ruffles after, so I get it lol). But for the many people like myself who have plenty of open nature (or at the very least places to walk without being with groups), there's 0 excuse not to get outside and maintain.

Agree here. I live right next to a rail trail, and get out normally anyway but it's been way busier lately. Is kinda nice working from home and just being able to go outside and walk or run if I want (but tbh I kinda liked it when I had it more to myself haha).

Don't people work out at home anymore? So many options available, even with little to no equipment. Good for keeping up a routine on rainy days. Also, you can work out at home without needing a mask. That said, some fresh air and sunshine is great, too. (She said, after slipping from her routine the last three days...).

Speaking of masks, it's been encouraging that so many people are wearing them now, though I've no idea where they're getting them from. So so hard to get.

I'm going all-in with the Bane training mask on the way.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008B91KH4/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_7?smid=A1R3J09TQ9U886&psc=1

[karkinos]

Type O blood is the universal donor. Type O can give their blood to anybody except Type O Negative can't give their blood to Type O positive.

....Type O is the universal donor for red blood cells but would not apply for the context of immunity that you inferred in your original post.


blood is separated into two parts
1. plasma (the stuff red blood cells are suspended in)
2. red cells

Type O blood does not have A or B antigen so the plasma has anti-A and anti-B antibodies.
if you're talking about transfusion for immunity, you are only donating the plasma.
If you transfuse type O blood's plasma, you're going to transfuse hella anti-A and anti-B antibodies and cause hemolysis

Type AB blood red cells express A and B antigens on the surface so the plasma does not have either anti-A or anti-B antibodies. This is why they are the universal donor for plasma.

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/types-of-blood-donations/plasma-donation.html

So if Type AB blood is the universal donor for the (plasma), Type AB blood is only 4% of the population so that's a very small %. So it's my understanding for the immunity/ antibodies test and correct me if something is incorrect that the type AB blood is the universal donor so if we are:

Type A blood- They have to get it from Type A or Type AB
Type B blood- They have to get it from Type B or Type AB
Type O negative- They have to get it from Type O Negative or Type AB
Type O positive- They have to get it from Type O positive or Type AB
But type AB only get it from type AB?

for plasma this would be correct

[G R E Y]

Agree here. I live right next to a rail trail, and get out normally anyway but it's been way busier lately. Is kinda nice working from home and just being able to go outside and walk or run if I want (but tbh I kinda liked it when I had it more to myself haha).

Don't people work out at home anymore? So many options available, even with little to no equipment. Good for keeping up a routine on rainy days. Also, you can work out at home without needing a mask. That said, some fresh air and sunshine is great, too. (She said, after slipping from her routine the last three days...).

Speaking of masks, it's been encouraging that so many people are wearing them now, though I've no idea where they're getting them from. So so hard to get.

I'm going all-in with the Bane training mask on the way.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008B91KH4/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_7?smid=A1R3J09TQ9U886&psc=1

The things you learn about on this site! (Does not ship to my country, though...). Hope you get what you want/need from it.

At least it looks legit for its purpose. There are so many fake/highly over-priced masks on Amazon now. They're getting called out, but it does clutter the search.

[TheRealKaboom]

Saw a YouTube video with someone believing that certain temperature and humidity conditions are ideal for the spread. However, that band is also where most of the world's wealth is concentrated. These countries can actually do the testing.

I get that, but it doesnt pass the smell test. It's been in circulation for months so it has clearly its found its way to Africa. Where are the bodies? Forget testing. With the poor health care system in many areas on the continent, we should be seeing bodies stack up, but we're not.

To me, it clearly has reached Africa and hasnt had the same effect it's had in other countries. The reason for that goes far beyond testing.

A) The Chinese and world population as a whole travels far less to Russia, Africa and South America than they do Western Europe and America.
B) They don't have anywhere close to the testing facilities or health care systems of 1st World nations. Not that the numbers are accurate anywhere, but they are clearly inaccurate there.
C) The theory has no foundation.

My theory last night had a foundation of Chardonnay and OG Kush.

[LKN]

Yeah, I mean everyone's situation is different and if you are in fact in a true quarantine it becomes more challenging, but there is still no excuse not to remain fairly healthy other than being lazy if we are holding ourselves to the least amount of accountability (granted, I had pulled pork hoagies for dinner and some ruffles after, so I get it lol). But for the many people like myself who have plenty of open nature (or at the very least places to walk without being with groups), there's 0 excuse not to get outside and maintain.

Agree here. I live right next to a rail trail, and get out normally anyway but it's been way busier lately. Is kinda nice working from home and just being able to go outside and walk or run if I want (but tbh I kinda liked it when I had it more to myself haha).

Don't people work out at home anymore? So many options available, even with little to no equipment. Good for keeping up a routine on rainy days. Also, you can work out at home without needing a mask. That said, some fresh air and sunshine is great, too. (She said, after slipping from her routine the last three days...).

Speaking of masks, it's been encouraging that so many people are wearing them now, though I've no idea where they're getting them from. So so hard to get.

Regular surgical masks are available on Amazon (albeit with some longer delivery times)

[G R E Y]

Agree here. I live right next to a rail trail, and get out normally anyway but it's been way busier lately. Is kinda nice working from home and just being able to go outside and walk or run if I want (but tbh I kinda liked it when I had it more to myself haha).

Don't people work out at home anymore? So many options available, even with little to no equipment. Good for keeping up a routine on rainy days. Also, you can work out at home without needing a mask. That said, some fresh air and sunshine is great, too. (She said, after slipping from her routine the last three days...).

Speaking of masks, it's been encouraging that so many people are wearing them now, though I've no idea where they're getting them from. So so hard to get.

Regular surgical masks are available on Amazon (albeit with some longer delivery times)

I will keep looking. Good to know, thanks.

[nymets1]

Let's see what happens Wednesday in new confirmed cases for New Jersey, Texas and Washington. As New Jersey and Texas have had 2 straight days of consistent (low) new confirmed cases. If New Jersey and Texas can make 3 straight days, I think it be safe to say that New Jersey and Texas has reached their peak. 1 day is way too early, 2 consecutive days is still too early but 3 straight days seems to be when it can be validated.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Let's see what happens Wednesday in new confirmed cases for New Jersey, Texas and Washington. As New Jersey and Texas have had 2 straight days of consistent (low) new confirmed cases. If New Jersey and Texas can make 3 straight days, I think it be safe to say that New Jersey and Texas has reached their peak. 1 day is way too early, 2 consecutive days is still too early but 3 straight days seems to be when it can be validated.

For New Jersey that may be true, but Texas isn't testing nearly enough, 3x the population of NJ but they have the same amount of testing done.

Testing is still not where it should be and has taken a step back in the last day or so.

[LKN]

Let's see what happens Wednesday in new confirmed cases for New Jersey, Texas and Washington. As New Jersey and Texas have had 2 straight days of consistent (low) new confirmed cases. If New Jersey and Texas can make 3 straight days, I think it be safe to say that New Jersey and Texas has reached their peak. 1 day is way too early, 2 consecutive days is still too early but 3 straight days seems to be when it can be validated.

I don't think you understand all the data you are looking at.

New Jersey is seeing a 40+% positive rate - there are no signs at all that things are slowing down there

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-jersey/

Texas has a lower positive rate - but they also aren't testing nearly enough (so just hard to say there)

[Optimus_Steel]

Read this and it's devastating:

"I had a 35-year-old patient die on me the other day with nothing significant in his medical history. This is a horrible, horrible disease," he said. "People die alone now, and that’s unusual."

The unidentified, previously healthy man, was Kouridakis' first patient at the start of his shift and "had coded a couple of times during the day."

The patient's wife Rosa called asking to FaceTime her husband and Kouridakis told her "absolutely."

"I straightened up the room and made sure he looked nice for the call. And the monitor started alarming. I looked up and his heart rate was dropping, his blood pressure was dropping and within just a minute or two he was almost gone," he said.

"I just stopped what I was doing and I went with him and I talked to him. I said that his wife was thinking about him and I'd just spoken to her, you know, and that his family loved him and missed him," Kouridakis recalled, holding back tears. "I just tried to say the things that I thought I might want to hear if it was me."

He continued, "I just called her and let her know that he passed away. And she still wanted to FaceTime with him."

"Then she handed the phone around and gave it to their son, a 10 or 12-year-old boy. That was hard," Kouridakis added. "He just said, 'Papi, Papi, please don't leave me alone in this world.' You know, that was it."

"[I] hung up the phone and then did what I do, got him ready and then I got two more patients from the ER. The beds don't stay empty for very long with this," he said.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/wife-coronavirus-patient-asked-icu-nurse-facetime-dead-141800018.html

This story teared me up. Patients dying alone, families not being able to be alongside their loved ones, and nurses doing far more than medical work.

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

I think people need to be realistic. I am on an island where we have been in lock down. Not light home sheltering your seeing over there. We did that after the 1st cases of community spread. We are a week into it, and we except higher number for another week plus. That is after the first case not tracked to overseas exposure. Texas is doing nada. They haven't even woken up from the nap yet. Until you go into lock down for several weeks dont expect anything to happen on the downside of this.

[LKN]

What a total cluster. The guy running the CDC should have been canned a month ago

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