Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

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Post#781 » by Zenzibar » Wed Apr 1, 2020 8:51 pm

https://crownheights.info/jewish-news/702114/fbi-makes-hoarding-and-price-gauging-bust-in-boro-park/

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FBI Makes Hoarding and Price Gouging Bust In Boro Park


A Brooklyn man was arrested today for allegedly coughing on FBI agents while claiming to have the Coronavirus, and with lying to them about his accumulation and sale of surgical masks, medical gowns, and other medical supplies, U.S. Attorney Craig Carpenito announced.

Baruch F, 43, was arrested by special agents of the FBI today and charged by complaint with assaulting a federal officer and with making false statements to law enforcement.

According to documents filed in this case and statements made in court:

On March 25, 2020, the Department of Health and Human Services issued an executive order designating certain scarce health and medical resources necessary to respond to the spread of the Coronavirus. Those designated materials included N95 filtering face-piece respirators, personal protection equipment (PPE) face masks, surgical masks, sterilization services, and disinfecting devices, among other things.

Mr. F allegedly sold certain designated materials, including N95 respirators, to doctors and nurses at inflated prices. In one instance, on March 18, 2020, a doctor in New Jersey contacted Mr. F via a WhatsApp chat group labeled “Virus2020!” Mr F agreed to sell to the doctor approximately 1,000 N95 masks and other assorted materials for $12,000, an approximately 700 percent markup from the normal price charged for those materials. Mr. F directed the doctor to an auto repair shop in Irvington, New Jersey, to pick up the order. According to the doctor, the repair shop contained enough materials, including hand sanitizers, Clorox wipes, chemical cleaning supply agents, and surgical supplies, to outfit an entire hospital. Mr. F later told the doctor that he had been forced to move all of those supplies from Irvington to another location.

On March 23, 2020, Mr. F allegedly offered to sell a nurse a quantity of surgical gowns and directed the nurse to his residence in Brooklyn. Mr. F also received, on March 25, 2020, a shipment from Canada containing approximately eight pallets of medical facemasks. On March 27, 2020, FBI agents observed an empty box of N95 masks outside of Mr. F’s residence.

On March 29, 2020, FBI agents witnessed multiple instances during which individuals approached Mr. F’s residence and walked away with boxes or bags that appeared to contain medical supplies. On that date, FBI agents approached Mr. F outside of his residence. After identifying themselves as FBI agents, they told Mr. F that they wanted to stay a distance away from him given concerns over the spread of Coronavirus. When the agents were within four to five feet of him, Mr. F allegedly coughed in their direction without covering his mouth. The agents then told him that they were looking for certain PPE materials and that they had information that Mr. F was in possession of large quantities of such materials. At that point, Mr. F told the FBI agents that that he had the Coronavirus.

Mr. F then made false statements to the FBI agents regarding his possession and sale of personal protective equipment and other materials. He falsely told the agents, among other things, that he worked for a company that bought and sold personal protective equipment and other materials and that he never took physical custody of the materials. Mr. F further falsely stated that he did not possess large quantities of personal protective equipment materials and that he never sold them directly to individuals.

The assault charge carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison and a $100,000 fine. The false statements charge carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

U.S. Attorney Carpenito credited special agents of the FBI, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge Gregory W. Ehrie in Newark, with the investigation leading to today’s arrest.







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Post#782 » by dhsilv2 » Wed Apr 1, 2020 8:52 pm

LKN wrote:The US is funny - there are some states (NY) that have good data and some states (FL) where the data is basically China quality.


It seems Ohio is running HEAVILY off models...not the worst thing, but the fact that we're just so darn in the dark to this STILL is if nothing else, upsetting. Throw in, and I just posted that we're not seeing skeptical details on Italy too.
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Post#783 » by LKN » Wed Apr 1, 2020 8:54 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Dirk wrote:Italia, update

• Current cases: 80,572 (+2,937)
• Deceased: 13,155 (+727)
• Healed: 16,847 (+1,118)
• Hospitalized in Intensive Care: 4.035 (+12)

Total cases: 110.574 (+4.782, + 4.5%)


34455 tests
13,7% tested positive


Paywall, but headline is the key here.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

Looks like Italy's numbers are understated. And combine with with China (which is less surprising) and this is getting frustrating as the numbers that were already blurry seem to be even more so.


I'm pretty sure the US COVID-19 death toll is already pretty understated as well
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Post#784 » by Zenzibar » Wed Apr 1, 2020 8:56 pm

LKN wrote:
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nikster wrote:the thing is quarantining new york would do nothing for the rest of the country. A large reason New York is so far ahead in confirmed cases is not the spread of the population but actual testing. Its already in every state in the thousands. they need self isolation, not a quarantine in new york


So do you think this is something that should have been done earlier in the process? At what point would it be acceptable for the lockdown of a city/state the way China locked down Wuhan? It's tough...when is it too early? When is it too late?


I personally don't think taking lessons from China is all that instructive. IMO, looking at what South Korea is doing is much more useful. They aren't locking down cities?regions - instead they focus on finding outbreaks early and quarantining people before they spread. China is simply able to do things that western and most asian democracies won't do.

In any case what really doomed us was not ramping testing until well into March - you can't really take effective action of any kind without testing. Almost every state has clusters at this point.

I also don't buy China's numbers - I've seen estimates (granted nothing is confirmed) of 40,000+ dead.



Not sure if true, so don't quote me but I read somewhere that via satellites and data analysis, 25 million cell phones have gone off the grid.
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Post#785 » by chrismikayla » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:00 pm

Doug_12 wrote:
chrismikayla wrote:I am starting to wonder what my level of risk is with my new role at work. Our outpatient centers are closed due to the pandemic, however the inpatient mental health hospital facility is still open. I was offered a new temp position as a patient liaison. When they arrive to the facility, I would greet them and explain what to expect during their stay. I would also get them to sign admission paperwork in the presence of security officers. It would be an overnight position and would average about 2 to 4 patients per night. I would have an N95 and safety goggles. I have no health problems and get yearly physicals including CT heart scan and echo, but I am an older adult (41). I worry about what my risk is doing this job.

Would you be able to/are you allowed to keep the 2m distance? If so, and pay attention to wash hand properly when you change mask or goggles I don't think you'll be at high risk. You also need to take into consideration that even in the worst case scenario not everyone is gonna get infected, also if someone is infected when he starts developing symptoms would most probably stay at home, and not all the doctors who are treating covid patients all day long get infected plus only a fraction of them dies.

So you might meet a few people who has the virus but not too many (In ~66% of the cases* if someone is infected won't visit your center and only a certain % of the people are infected), and w/ the protective gear you can also reduce your risk by a huge factor. Then your probability of let's say requiring intensive care in your age group is also well below 10%, and the case fatality rate is ~1%.

If this helps anything your chance of meeting someone infected AND getting infected AND getting into a state where intensive care is required seem slim to me. (Though that's dependent on the awareness of the community, the spread of the virus and your protective actions.)

*Average time being spent sick is 21 days let's say. Average time to develop symptoms is ~7 days. The estimated probability of sick person showing no symptoms on a random day is like 7/21=33%. The probability of the day of the visit of a sick person falling in the day where he has no symptoms is again that 33%.


Thanks for the reassurance and I'm not sure if I can keep the recommended distance away. And yeah I have always been OCD about washing my hands and never touching my face, and this is even more so now. I try the position tonight and I will find out more. If that fails I can work part time overnight watching the security monitor feed from a single office away from patients, and call 911 if I see anything suspicious.
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Post#786 » by chrismikayla » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:00 pm

Doug_12 wrote:
chrismikayla wrote:I am starting to wonder what my level of risk is with my new role at work. Our outpatient centers are closed due to the pandemic, however the inpatient mental health hospital facility is still open. I was offered a new temp position as a patient liaison. When they arrive to the facility, I would greet them and explain what to expect during their stay. I would also get them to sign admission paperwork in the presence of security officers. It would be an overnight position and would average about 2 to 4 patients per night. I would have an N95 and safety goggles. I have no health problems and get yearly physicals including CT heart scan and echo, but I am an older adult (41). I worry about what my risk is doing this job.

Would you be able to/are you allowed to keep the 2m distance? If so, and pay attention to wash hand properly when you change mask or goggles I don't think you'll be at high risk. You also need to take into consideration that even in the worst case scenario not everyone is gonna get infected, also if someone is infected when he starts developing symptoms would most probably stay at home, and not all the doctors who are treating covid patients all day long get infected plus only a fraction of them dies.

So you might meet a few people who has the virus but not too many (In ~66% of the cases* if someone is infected won't visit your center and only a certain % of the people are infected), and w/ the protective gear you can also reduce your risk by a huge factor. Then your probability of let's say requiring intensive care in your age group is also well below 10%, and the case fatality rate is ~1%.

If this helps anything your chance of meeting someone infected AND getting infected AND getting into a state where intensive care is required seem slim to me. (Though that's dependent on the awareness of the community, the spread of the virus and your protective actions.)

*Average time being spent sick is 21 days let's say. Average time to develop symptoms is ~7 days. The estimated probability of sick person showing no symptoms on a random day is like 7/21=33%. The probability of the day of the visit of a sick person falling in the day where he has no symptoms is again that 33%.


Thanks for the reassurance and I'm not sure if I can keep the recommended distance away. And yeah I have always been OCD about washing my hands and never touching my face, and this is even more so now. I try the position tonight and I will find out more. If that fails I can work part time overnight watching the security monitor feed from a single office away from patients, and call 911 if I see anything suspicious.
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Post#787 » by Cowbulls » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:00 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote:Let's not pick and choose. America has a huge exotic pet market. A huge demand for exotic animal hunting and let's not forget the biggest problem. Industrial animal farming of 'regular food' like chicken pigs and cows.

A lot of things are being floated. It started with bats, went to pangolins and now we are back on bats. But it's entirely possible that a disease harbored in bats mutated to livestock and continued to mutate from there. One thing that is for certain is that it is easier to pick on wet markets which are small time stuff compared to the big animal agriculture.

No one wants to hear that the solution is to stop eating meat or at least way less of it because you'll have to pay a lot more. It's weird.. Most don't even want to address that as a possibility.

The worst part is, this has been known for decades and it is also known there will be more pandemics. This may be a mild one.

A rapid spreader, that evolves with no reason to not kill it's host is precisely the types of diseases that modern 'farming' practices create.



In this video, starting from 21:10 I think, Michael Osterholm talks about the dangers of the virus in the deer population in America that is being overlooked and dismissed:

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw?t=1270


I didn't even think about that. To add, there have been confirmed cases of human to pet transfer. First in dogs and now in cats. This begs the question. When will this transfer back from pets to humans? From all wildlife back to humans?

There is a lot to suggest that this is here to stay. And that my worst realization is happening. Those who can't survive this will simply die.

The only things that can mitigate this is getting eating a healthy diet, stopping bad habits like drinking and smoking, and wearing a mask to limit the viral load if exposed to the virus.


Mods. I'm ready for my daily suspension after reading this absolute stupid ****..if you need help pushing it through let me help.

Relax people. You're gonna be fine.

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Post#788 » by G R E Y » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:02 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote::noway:

This has to make you think. What is the purpose of preventing healthcare workers from trying to protect themselves? Why is PPE offensive to so many administrators? Where is the directive to prevent people from protecting themselves coming from? What is really going on? At some point does the possibility exist that this isn't mere ignorance? Mere incompetence?


It's like the airlines, they don't want to scare away customers, because of the terrible messaging that only sick people should wear masks. Most American hospitals are businesses after all, acd scaring away patients ends up leading to job cuts and pay cuts.

SO effing stupid.


Also this. (let's just ignore those thick heads who prioritize party over human lives for a second). NYPD has 15% of the force out sick, and we are still not having police wear masks. 4 minute video clips, you wonder how many policemen were infected during that time. Btw this was Mar 29th.

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Post#789 » by Doug_12 » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:04 pm

Paija wrote:About our corner of the world.
Latvia has 446 cases from 15810 tested (2.8% positive), 27 in hospitals, still 3 critical, 0 deaths.
Estonia 779/14353 (5.4% positive, but have tested more per capita),15 critical, 5 deaths
Lithuania 581/12574 (4.6% positive), 11 critical, 8 deaths.

In Latvia we had largest spike of cases (+46) and two more clusters besides previous (funeral service). One is night shelter by the church (for homeless people). One of the usual inhabitants became sick, was tested and then they discovered that many more of the inhabitants and staff are positive (27), of them just one is hospitalized, the rest are quarantined and the army provided tent where they put those who were negative.
The most ironic cluster are 5 people who work in a call center ... for the statewide ER. They are highly experienced people to deal with all the emergencies, mainly to sort out who is really in need in ER brigade and who can wait until the morning and talk with their usual doctor. Recently they are of course quite overwhelmed by all the people who think they might have coronavirus (which is absolutely normal, because who does not have some kind of cold or flu during the winter? only now we pay attention to every cough or sneeze and wonder...) So these two ladies went to work sick and thought that they have angina, but because of so much work just kept working. They have no contact with sick people whatsoever, so it is not clear how they got it. And now the call center is in a big trouble because they must train someone very quickly.

I'm occasionally looking at data from Latvia as here in Hungary the no. of infected were very close from the beginning.

We have like 525 cases but our death rate is much higher - we have 20 deaths - w/ similar test statistics (we performed ~13 000 tests). We don't know why: Either our health care is much worse or our testing is biased and we test the same group of people way more times than others. Or our government is playing w/ the data… All 3 are possible.

Luckily lockdowns are implemented. Though I don't get what kind of lockdown is this when you can go out for a walk without a mask whenever you want or visit places like banks, furniture shops etc... w/ almost standard opening hrs. But I believe this is standard in other parts of Europe, right?
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Post#790 » by Dirk » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:10 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Dirk wrote:Italia, update

• Current cases: 80,572 (+2,937)
• Deceased: 13,155 (+727)
• Healed: 16,847 (+1,118)
• Hospitalized in Intensive Care: 4.035 (+12)

Total cases: 110.574 (+4.782, + 4.5%)


34455 tests
13,7% tested positive


Paywall, but headline is the key here.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

Looks like Italy's numbers are understated. And combine with with China (which is less surprising) and this is getting frustrating as the numbers that were already blurry seem to be even more so.


I will just trust the Italians here. They also have media. Who ask daily questions and report 24x7. There are Italian users here who hopefully may be able to write something in depth and clarify what is their national feeling about it.

They have the highest death rate in the world. And this hit the richest region in the country. They're doing a really bad job at masking things tbh.

Even if you grant that some people who died weren't tested, it likely isn't enough to skew the numbers bad enough to generate this clickbait headline "Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported".

Just reading the intro of the article, feels like they're re-writing this. Put this on google translate
https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/26/news/coronavirus_38_morti_nella_casa_di_riposo_di_lodi_fare_i_tamponi_alpiu_presto_-252412213/

Basically, sounds like some people have died (older) and weren't tested. It doesn't really change much in the sense of changing what we know. On the other hand, I have the feeling that Italians have been generous attributing the cause of death to covid19. Official numbers --- 51% of those that died had over 3 underlying conditions.
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Post#791 » by PigsOnTheWing » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:21 pm

Dirk wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Dirk wrote:Italia, update



34455 tests
13,7% tested positive


Paywall, but headline is the key here.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

Looks like Italy's numbers are understated. And combine with with China (which is less surprising) and this is getting frustrating as the numbers that were already blurry seem to be even more so.


I will just trust the Italians here. They also have media. Who ask daily questions and report 24x7. There are Italian users here who hopefully may be able to write something in depth and clarify what is their national feeling about it.

They have the highest death rate in the world. And this hit the richest region in the country. They're doing a really bad job at masking things tbh.

Even if you grant that some people who died weren't tested, it likely isn't enough to skew the numbers bad enough to generate this clickbait headline "Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported".

Just reading the intro of the article, feels like they're re-writing this. Put this on google translate
https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/26/news/coronavirus_38_morti_nella_casa_di_riposo_di_lodi_fare_i_tamponi_alpiu_presto_-252412213/

Basically, sounds like some people have died (older) and weren't tested. It doesn't really change much in the sense of changing what we know. On the other hand, I have the feeling that Italians have been generous attributing the cause of death to covid19. Official numbers --- 51% of those that died had over 3 underlying conditions.


Italian here. I'm just chiming in to say that for as many flows as Italy has (and they are lot for sure) I'm pretty certain we're not hiding thing on purpose. Actually, we've been one of the most transparent countries from the beginning, with "Protezione Civile" (the entity in charge of the emergency) reporting numbers and holding a press conference every single day. So I'm somewhat pissed that from many parts I've seen people pointing at us like we're behaving like China when there is plenty of evidence this is just not true. With that being said, the death toll is far higher than it's being reported.
Just in the sole city of Bergamo (Lombardy), it is believed that the deaths are in the order of 4000 more that reported. The cities that have been hit the hardest simply didn't have the capacity to hospitalise all the positive people so many died at home, especially the elders.
The testing policy was not the one I would have chosen to spot the outbreaks, but hindsight is useless right now. Still, no one here that I know of thinks we're underreporting the cases, we're trying to do the best we can with our limited powers.
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Post#792 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:30 pm

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spacemonkey wrote:Gotta admit, this battle between doctors / nurses and hospital administrators was not one I saw coming.

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This has to make you think. What is the purpose of preventing healthcare workers from trying to protect themselves? Why is PPE offensive to so many administrators? Where is the directive to prevent people from protecting themselves coming from? What is really going on? At some point does the possibility exist that this isn't mere ignorance? Mere incompetence?


It's like the airlines, they don't want to scare away customers, because of the terrible messaging that only sick people should wear masks. Most American hospitals are businesses after all, acd scaring away patients ends up leading to job cuts and pay cuts.

SO effing stupid.


Yes, we are in the worst virus pandemic in over 100 years, and someone is going to get "scared" because they see a guy with a mask on in the hall?
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Post#793 » by dhsilv2 » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:31 pm

Dirk wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Dirk wrote:Italia, update



34455 tests
13,7% tested positive


Paywall, but headline is the key here.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

Looks like Italy's numbers are understated. And combine with with China (which is less surprising) and this is getting frustrating as the numbers that were already blurry seem to be even more so.


I will just trust the Italians here. They also have media. Who ask daily questions and report 24x7. There are Italian users here who hopefully may be able to write something in depth and clarify what is their national feeling about it.

They have the highest death rate in the world. And this hit the richest region in the country. They're doing a really bad job at masking things tbh.


Even if you grant that some people who died weren't tested, it likely isn't enough to skew the numbers bad enough to generate this clickbait headline "Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported".

Just reading the intro of the article, feels like they're re-writing this. Put this on google translate
https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/26/news/coronavirus_38_morti_nella_casa_di_riposo_di_lodi_fare_i_tamponi_alpiu_presto_-252412213/

Basically, sounds like some people have died (older) and weren't tested. It doesn't really change much in the sense of changing what we know. On the other hand, I have the feeling that Italians have been generous attributing the cause of death to covid19. Official numbers --- 51% of those that died had over 3 underlying conditions.


The WSJ is not beyond clickbait, but in a world of .001% being so meaningful, I'd pause before dismissing them either. But I've not found a way around the paywall yet either ('ll figure that out).
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Post#794 » by nymets1 » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:32 pm

I hope my state Florida can get some recoveries today. Last night I checked bing.com/covid and Florida still had 0 recoveries. Right now its only 5:30 pm so I wait for 9pm eastern time to post the updates.
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Post#795 » by LKN » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:37 pm

I'm getting some really bad anecdotal stories out of Florida from people my wife knows.

She knows a woman with MS who is having trouble breathing and can not get tested - she's been begging and begging and they won't do it. This poor woman has a kid with down's syndrome and can't even help take care of her kid because she has to quarantine herself from her own family because they won't test her.

That's the worst - but I've heard several others nearly as bad.

Seriously - Florida's numbers mean about as much to me as China's right now.
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Post#796 » by Whole Truth » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:40 pm

My personal experience with the Virus. Don't know if my information will be helpful or not but here goes.

I have a link living in the heart of the supposed out break in China. He's been sending me updates & video from the outbreak to ghost lockdown to supposed down turn so I had a bit of a heads up. He basically said it had to run it's course, containment limits the damage.

During China's initial outbreak. I had 2 kids visiting me here in my country before we supposedly had the virus, both came "sick". From that, I started to get a headache & hot throat for roughly 3 days. Didn't think much of the mild symptoms especially with my countries leaders lying that we had no cases. Didn't help that those symptoms died down after about 3-4 days.

I don't know if I was re-infected or if it was dormant.

That headache & hot throat that seemed to have gone away, turned into slight shortness of breath & unusual fatigue but I would not have known I had anything significant if not for finding out that a doctor I rent space to had come in contact with someone that had the virus, unknowingly.

When countries were refusing Cruise ships to dock, our country remained open to them as if they were inviting trouble. I have a business & rentals in the same building, where I rent space to a private doctor. A woman from one of the landed Cruise ships went to him sick (now tested positive) & failed to mention that fact. The doctor gave her antibiotics, sent her home & like I said, my interest & family, is in the same contaminated space.

I'm fine now with no symptoms & I have seem to have built a resistance to it, even in added exposure because the nurses have asked me to keep my business open. Our country is now on a 2 week lockdown where only business of necessity remain open.

Here's what I did when sick -

- Took in Sun, IMO was the most helpful in drying/sweating it out.
- Took extended Rest/sleep
- Drank hot water, especially if there was any constriction in the chest. (Usually occurred in the evening)
- No air condition, no matter how hot the nights got.
- Changed my sheets & pillow cases often, cleaned the entire house 3 times for the weak. Where my symptoms lasted roughly 2 weeks.

Though I was unsure if I originally had it from the 2 kids, I self isolated & shared minimal contact, even from those living with me. My Mom is 76 & has Fibrosis. When I found out about the Woman from the Cruise ship. My symptoms were more or less gone for several days.

My last paragraph is for those that that think they're the only people that matter. A little consideration goes a long way. The only way to really fight this is for people to move more responsibly, whether you think you have it or not.

Hope this post was somewhat helpful.
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Post#797 » by DowJones » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:49 pm

I can’t speak to that specific article, however I will say that the WSJ is really good when it comes to reporting. They are way above other outlets when it comes to unbiased reporting. The Economist is good as well.
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Post#798 » by Dirk » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:50 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
The WSJ is not beyond clickbait, but in a world of .001% being so meaningful, I'd pause before dismissing them either. But I've not found a way around the paywall yet either ('ll figure that out).


If you're bored, put that article I linked you on google translate, you'll get a decent idea of what the WSJ may be talking about. There was an article from the NYT recently about it as well, discussed here: Subject: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

The title is clickbait "far higher" seems a bit much. I'd be surprised if they actually made a compelling case that lead you to believe "it's far higher". They'll just say that in "this nursing home, there were 3x more people dead this year than average. In that other nursing home, the same.

I'll just let some Italian users explain us what their sentiment is on the ground. There is no doubt whatsoever that the Italian media have covered all of this and asked all the questions. So they are in prime position to give us that info.



Doug_12 wrote:I'm occasionally looking at data from Latvia as here in Hungary the no. of infected were very close from the beginning.

We have like 525 cases but our death rate is much higher - we have 20 deaths - w/ similar test statistics (we performed ~13 000 tests). We don't know why: Either our health care is much worse or our testing is biased and we test the same group of people way more times than others. Or our government is playing w/ the data… All 3 are possible.

Luckily lockdowns are implemented. Though I don't get what kind of lockdown is this when you can go out for a walk without a mask whenever you want or visit places like banks, furniture shops etc... w/ almost standard opening hrs. But I believe this is standard in other parts of Europe, right?


This is the value of RealGM.

Hungarian user.

He could give us some insight into what's going down there...

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One of the most fascinating things about this whole surreal period we are going through is how willingly people were to give up their freedoms. Some countries looked like the population forced their governments to declare the "state of emergency".

None like Hungary though.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/01/viktor-orban-pandemic-power-grab-hungary

What's your perspective from Hungary and Hungarian people on this?
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Post#799 » by Badonkadonk » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:51 pm

Zenzibar wrote:A Brooklyn man was arrested today for allegedly coughing on FBI agents while claiming to have the Coronavirus, and with lying to them about his accumulation and sale of surgical masks, medical gowns, and other medical supplies, U.S. Attorney Craig Carpenito announced.

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Post#800 » by Paija » Wed Apr 1, 2020 9:55 pm

Doug_12 wrote:
Paija wrote:About our corner of the world.
Latvia has 446 cases from 15810 tested (2.8% positive), 27 in hospitals, still 3 critical, 0 deaths.
Estonia 779/14353 (5.4% positive, but have tested more per capita),15 critical, 5 deaths
Lithuania 581/12574 (4.6% positive), 11 critical, 8 deaths.

In Latvia we had largest spike of cases (+46) and two more clusters besides previous (funeral service). One is night shelter by the church (for homeless people). One of the usual inhabitants became sick, was tested and then they discovered that many more of the inhabitants and staff are positive (27), of them just one is hospitalized, the rest are quarantined and the army provided tent where they put those who were negative.
The most ironic cluster are 5 people who work in a call center ... for the statewide ER. They are highly experienced people to deal with all the emergencies, mainly to sort out who is really in need in ER brigade and who can wait until the morning and talk with their usual doctor. Recently they are of course quite overwhelmed by all the people who think they might have coronavirus (which is absolutely normal, because who does not have some kind of cold or flu during the winter? only now we pay attention to every cough or sneeze and wonder...) So these two ladies went to work sick and thought that they have angina, but because of so much work just kept working. They have no contact with sick people whatsoever, so it is not clear how they got it. And now the call center is in a big trouble because they must train someone very quickly.

I'm occasionally looking at data from Latvia as here in Hungary the no. of infected were very close from the beginning.

We have like 525 cases but our death rate is much higher - we have 20 deaths - w/ similar test statistics (we performed ~13 000 tests). We don't know why: Either our health care is much worse or our testing is biased and we test the same group of people way more times than others. Or our government is playing w/ the data… All 3 are possible.

Luckily lockdowns are implemented. Though I don't get what kind of lockdown is this when you can go out for a walk without a mask whenever you want or visit places like banks, furniture shops etc... w/ almost standard opening hrs. But I believe this is standard in other parts of Europe, right?


We still do not have full lockdown but "social distancing". Shops and restaurants must ensure that each customer has 4 m2 space (or 2 m distance). For example, if you go to a restaurant, only 2 people are allowed at one table unless from the same household. 2 m space between the tables. In the stores - 2 meter space from others. I think that low population density helps a little. We also suspended any non-essential healthcare (as the Minister of Health explained - to minimize contacts of medics). There have been cases where people arrived from abroad and did not keep to the house, therefore the fine for not keeping quarantine has increased to up to 2000 eur. In one case a lady was hospitalized because of heavy alcohol intoxication and turned out Covid positive.
Now the guidelines are to treat every ER patient as if he has the virus. But as the majority who has it are more on the young side, we have no fatalities yet. All the people who died in Estonia or Lithuania were old people. Maybe it was good that we had a special hospital for Infectious diseases and they moved out all other patients and are just keeping it for Covid patients. And people were forbidden to go to hospitals to do tests - were told to stay home and either wait for test or wait to be moved to the hospital by ER.
But we till have not been told that masks would be useful. Some people are wearing them. Every store where i have been (I go 1-2 times a week) provides hand sanitizers and many - simple plastic gloves.
I also believe that people in the North keep larger space between people as a cultural thing. Finns are probably the most famous for it.

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