OT: Panic Buying. When Will it End?

[EG73]

my question is why arent north american hcw's wearing hazmat suits like in europe? wouldnt that be better than using masks?

hazmat may not be better. Also more costly, uncomfortable, harder to communicate and to do techniques.
For high risk procedures like intubating a covid19 patient, the highest risk of contamination of hcw is during removal of protective equipment. That’s why more is not always better, and there is training to do.

[And1Skip]

Where are you guys even buying your masks? I have no idea where I'm supposed to pick them up. Are you just ordering them online?

Before the non-essential stores closed, well before that actually a lot of chinese stores that sell random stuff (like computer and IT shops) would sell masks. These are some of the places where there might be better quality ones (like even if manufactured in another country but branded in Canada with Canadian address so goes through quality control). I'm not talking about N95's..those are always sold out but the general public doesnt really need N95 if you're just going to use it to go grocery shopping and go straight back home. Regular surgical masks will do, and preferably at least Level 2. I remember having discussions with people about masks back in mid January in the asian community in the GTA, people were freaking out already about the virus and already cancelling upcoming vacations in Feb because they knew travel was bad, especially to the US or Europe.

Anyways, nowadays I would think online is the best route but quality would be hit or miss I would think. Amazon.ca has a lot of bad reviews for recent shipments. Walmart.ca might be better and they have free pick-up when they eventually arrive. EDIT: you can also try other online options like sites where you normally buy Chinese items like www.tomtop.com or aliexpress (again, buyer beware on quality and quoted shipping times)

[jrask]

Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html

[Raps in 4]

Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html

Who could have known that wearing a device that keeps viral particles from leaving and entering your mouth and nose could curb the spread of a virus?

[CantStopTheRock]

Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html

Who could have known that wearing a device that keeps viral particles from leaving and entering your mouth and nose could curb the spread of a virus?

Did you read the article? Did you even click the link of what they claim. The article says this

"One of the reasons the CDC's Redfield gave for potentially changing the guidance on masks is that the coronavirus can be spread when people are asymptomatic, and therefore having everyone covering their faces -- as has been the norm in Hong Kong and other parts of Asia since January -- could help rein in transmission."

Click the reference link and you get the below same as CDC, again

China
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People at moderate risk * of infection: surgical or disposable mask for medical use.
*People at moderate risk of infection include those working in areas of high population density (eg, hospitals, train stations), those have been or live with somebody who is quarantined, and administrative staff, police, security, and couriers whose work is related to COVID-19.
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People at low risk † of infection: disposable mask for medical use.
†People at low risk of infection include those staying in areas of high population density (eg, supermarket, shopping mall), who work indoors, who seek health care in medical institutions (other than fever clinics), and gatherings of children aged 3–6 years and school students.
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People at very low risk ‡ of infection: do not have to wear a mask or can wear non-medical mask (such as cloth mask).
‡People at very low risk of infection include those who mostly stay at home, who do outdoor activities, and who work or study in well-ventilated areas.

Hong Kong
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Surgical masks can prevent transmission of respiratory viruses from people who are ill. It is essential for people who are symptomatic (even if they have mild symptoms) to wear a surgical mask.
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Wear a surgical mask when taking public transport or staying in crowded places. It is important to wear a mask properly and practice good hand hygiene before wearing and after removing a mask.

Singapore
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Wear a mask if you have respiratory symptoms, such as a cough or runny nose.

Japan
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The effectiveness of wearing a face mask to protect yourself from contracting viruses is thought to be limited. If you wear a face mask in confined, badly ventilated spaces, it might help avoid catching droplets emitted from others but if you are in an open-air environment, the use of face mask is not very efficient.

So where is it that the Asian countries have been saying to wear masks? Maybe China sort of? This is the CNN article reference, wtf kind of journalist work is that

Also that is the same study in the wired article that was posted a couple pages back. Please actually read the study rather than just blindly assuming what CNN is claiming is true. Because that is a group of studies with other cases of contradicting results, and many of the studies are clinic based vs no masks or not masking symptomatic cases. That is NOT the scenario people here are talking about.

If you READ the study you find stuff like this

"comparing the N95 respirator with paper surgical masks in volunteers found that surgical masks, even when worn in multiple layers (up to five), filtered ambient particles poorly"

"another similar study reported no effect of adding the use of both gown and mask to the usual handwashing routine on the development of illness in personnel caring for infants with respiratory disease"

"The authors of Jacobs 2009 were unable to detect a difference in incidence of ILI of surgical mask wearing compared to no mask in healthcare workers in a Japanese hospital"

Not exactly a glowing endorsement for masks. The entire group of studies is a mixed bag like I said in another post

Much like the wired article, i guess they assume people will actually not read the study and think they are being forthright. The WIRED article was much of the same they ignored what the case study was actually about and just pointed it towards the effectiveness of a mask in masking everyone and forgot to mention the cases were for HCW, symptomatic or VS masking no one.

It is like people are just finding an article that has a headline that is aligned with their position and just post it. Don't even bother to read it and check their references. Then people follow up reply with sarcastic remarks, thinking they are smart, when really they are only proving they are either lazy or cannot read, or both

[bballsparkin]

A friend sent me this. Interesting read.

https://medium.com/@paulanderson_73765/nyc-lung-doctor-tells-his-family-how-to-protect-themselves-from-covid-19-fb0b117b3472

2. Stop Touching Your Face

You can wear a mask, but not for the reason you think…

According to researchers, all of us unconsciously touch our faces more than 20 times every hour.

According to Dr. Price, the coronavirus takes advantage of this exact behavior.

Become aware of how much you’re touching your face and STOP IT.

Surprisingly, this is the one reason Dr. Price says you can wear a surgical mask. It won’t do much to shield you from the virus directly, but it will train you to stop touching your face.

But Dr. Price is very clear — you only need a general cloth surgical mask…

But Dr. Price and other doctors are beginning to think wearing a Surgical Mask may be a good idea. Note that the CDC still does not recommend that the general public wear a surgical mask either.

[wayoftheroad]

BC looks like they are doing a fantastic job as they had the first cases in Canada I think. Ontario looks very bad right now, hope we can turn this around I dont want to be the New York of Canada man

[raptor jesus]

BC looks like they are doing a fantastic job as they had the first cases in Canada I think. Ontario looks very bad right now, hope we can turn this around I dont want to be the New York of Canada man

Yeah it looks like Western Canada is holding up fairly well. Ontario not so much, and Quebec is getting hammered the most. I know BC is being strict with its testing resources though, saving them for health care or other essential workers. Not sure if that's the strategy in Quebec as well; if they're being more liberal with their tests, it might help explain this:

[dunk_a_roo]

everyone is overlooking sole of shoes. dont take shoes into your homes, leave them in garage or outside. or spray disinfectant prior going inside.

[NinjaBro]

BC looks like they are doing a fantastic job as they had the first cases in Canada I think. Ontario looks very bad right now, hope we can turn this around I dont want to be the New York of Canada man

Very happy with the way BC is holding up. We've had relatively few cases the last few days 53 cases today, and just 16 cases on Sunday. Previously we were hit pretty hard 70+ cases every day last week. Virtually all the deaths have been related to a few nursing homes that had outbreaks (most likely from visitors, family and friends who traveled and brought the virus back).

This next 2 weeks is crucial. It was around Mar 15 when we started shutting down non essential businesses, locked down borders. I'm seeing that where I live right now, people staying 2m away and there's virtually no one on the streets. Buses pass by and they're all empty. Grocery stores only letting a few customers in at a time with lots of people wearing masks. I would be wearing them too if I could get a hold of some.

Stay safe everyone.

[disoblige]

It came from their research lab

Watch on YouTube

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[Westside Gunn]

everyone is overlooking sole of shoes. dont take shoes into your homes, leave them in garage or outside. or spray disinfectant prior going inside.

this wearing shoes inside the house is mostly an american problem. most cultures leave shoes at the front door, and to some extreme, outside.

[raptorstime]

Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html

Who could have known that wearing a device that keeps viral particles from leaving and entering your mouth and nose could curb the spread of a virus?

"It's absolutely critical that if people are wearing masks outside ... that we are not taking away masks that are surgical or are specialized that are extremely necessary on the front line, and that we are not using masks in a way ... that is not appropriate," Health Minister Patty Hajdu said Wednesday.

Our government used propaganda and shamed people from buying masks because they were unprepared. Absolutely shameful.

[CantStopTheRock]

Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html

Who could have known that wearing a device that keeps viral particles from leaving and entering your mouth and nose could curb the spread of a virus?

"It's absolutely critical that if people are wearing masks outside ... that we are not taking away masks that are surgical or are specialized that are extremely necessary on the front line, and that we are not using masks in a way ... that is not appropriate," Health Minister Patty Hajdu said Wednesday.

Our government used propaganda and shamed people from buying masks because they were unprepared. Absolutely shameful.

Did you read what other countries Ministry of health guidelines are including Japan, China, South Korea, and Singapore? They are the same as ours and their stance has always been the same regardless of the amount of supplies they have in stock.

You can crap on them for the lack of stock, but don't make stuff up

[Kevin Willis]

BC looks like they are doing a fantastic job as they had the first cases in Canada I think. Ontario looks very bad right now, hope we can turn this around I dont want to be the New York of Canada man

Very happy with the way BC is holding up. We've had relatively few cases the last few days 53 cases today, and just 16 cases on Sunday. Previously we were hit pretty hard 70+ cases every day last week. Virtually all the deaths have been related to a few nursing homes that had outbreaks (most likely from visitors, family and friends who traveled and brought the virus back).

This next 2 weeks is crucial. It was around Mar 15 when we started shutting down non essential businesses, locked down borders. I'm seeing that where I live right now, people staying 2m away and there's virtually no one on the streets. Buses pass by and they're all empty. Grocery stores only letting a few customers in at a time with lots of people wearing masks. I would be wearing them too if I could get a hold of some.

Stay safe everyone.

Very happy with how BC is handling it as well. At first they were looking bad but now it's turning the corner - keep it up! In Ontario, it's spreading in the nursing homes which is causing deaths. We also have some Canadians coming back but I think a lot of it are idiots not following protocol quick enough. I won't say it's only young people but a lot of them are young because I can see them congregating in parking lots or working out outdoors. The last week or so it's been much better but it will take at least 2 3 weeks to see that difference which means it will get worse before it gets better.

[CantStopTheRock]

Majority of these articles are pushing a narrative based on irrelevant case studies, especially to what I have been saying and most countries health departments. It would be better they just say there isn't enough data to support their claim.

It's like if I was saying you only need to put sun block on if you are going to be outside and it's not in the shade. If you are at risk then put it on regardless (or cover up) and if your are going to be in the sun for awhile put it on.

Then someone arguing with that statement is wrong and posts an article that references a case study of lifeguards and the effects of sunscreen on them

[Raps in 4]

everyone is overlooking sole of shoes. dont take shoes into your homes, leave them in garage or outside. or spray disinfectant prior going inside.

this wearing shoes inside the house is mostly an american problem. most cultures leave shoes at the front door, and to some extreme, outside.

I've never met anyone in Canada who wears shoes indoors. I don't think any culture does it.

[lolwut]

everyone is overlooking sole of shoes. dont take shoes into your homes, leave them in garage or outside. or spray disinfectant prior going inside.

this wearing shoes inside the house is mostly an american problem. most cultures leave shoes at the front door, and to some extreme, outside.

I will never met anyone in Canada who wears shoes indoors. I don't think any culture does it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition_of_removing_shoes_in_home

It's more common that you'd expect, which is actually pretty crazy. Removing shoes is 100% an Asian thing, while it's a mixed bag in the rest of the world.

[CantStopTheRock]

this wearing shoes inside the house is mostly an american problem. most cultures leave shoes at the front door, and to some extreme, outside.

I will never met anyone in Canada who wears shoes indoors. I don't think any culture does it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition_of_removing_shoes_in_home

It's more common that you'd expect, which is actually pretty crazy. Removing shoes is 100% an Asian thing, while it's a mixed bag in the rest of the world.

I can't stand when my relatives come from the States to visit and mess up my clean floors. It's typically the older generation take off their shoes, but the younger ones mostly do not unless they are filthy

[Raps in 4]

this wearing shoes inside the house is mostly an american problem. most cultures leave shoes at the front door, and to some extreme, outside.

I will never met anyone in Canada who wears shoes indoors. I don't think any culture does it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition_of_removing_shoes_in_home

It's more common that you'd expect, which is actually pretty crazy. Removing shoes is 100% an Asian thing, while it's a mixed bag in the rest of the world.

I've been into a lot of different people's homes (white, black, Asian, brown). The social custom was always to take your shoes off. You'd have to clean your floors pretty much daily if you didn't do that lol. Maybe it's different in actual other countries, but I'd be shocked if I went into someone's house in Canada and people had their shoes on.