Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[LKN]

Apparently it wasn't just US intelligence that knew

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[zimpy27]

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Legit real.

If you want to look behind the curtain of what is actually saving us from impending doom, it's a bunch the most unassuming people you may ever meet and they aren't doing it for money, they do it because they like solving hard specific problems that the world needs answers for.

Smart people that like making money will make money.
Smart people that like solving problems will solve problems.

[ken6199]

Throwing Ken1699 a bone - masks

Looking forward to seeing the gymnastics from the ultra reliable health organizations that have lead us to this point.

Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html

Spoiler:

peaking to CNN, Ivan Hung, an infectious diseases specialist at the Hong Kong University School of Medicine, said that "if you look at the data in Hong Kong, wearing a mask is probably the most important thing in terms of infection control."
"And it not only brings down the cases of coronaviruses, it also brings down the influenza," he said. "In fact, this is now the influenza season, and we hardly see any influenza cases. And that is because the masks actually protected not only against coronaviruses but also against the influenza viruses as well."

Heightened contradictions
In its guidance on the coronavirus, the CDC notes that it spreads primarily "through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneeze," which "can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs."
The agency recommends that people who are sick wear a face mask or otherwise attempt "to cover your coughs and sneezes," while those caring for them should also wear a face mask whenever they are in the same room.
Yet, in the same advice, the CDC said that non-symptomatic "do not need" to wear face masks, adding that they "may be in short supply and they should be saved for caregivers."
And this is what has been so frustrating and confusing for many people, particularly those who advocate for wearing face masks as a precaution. The CDC, along with the WHO and several other public health bodies and experts, has been simultaneously claiming that masks do not offer protection in ordinary circumstances, while stating they are necessary for health workers and caregivers.

BBC
Coronavirus: Expert panel to assess face mask use by public
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52126735

Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge, US, used high-speed cameras and other sensors to assess precisely what happens after a cough or sneeze.

They found that an exhalation generates a small fast-moving cloud of gas that can contain droplets of liquid of varying sizes - and that the smallest of these can be carried in the cloud over long distances.

The study - conducted in laboratory conditions - found that coughs can project liquid up to 6m away and that sneezes, which involve much higher speeds, can reach up to 8m away.

Israel’s Health Ministry top official: Police to enforce order to wear face masks https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israeli-health-minister-netanyahu-mossad-chief-quarantine-1.8720108

For whatever reasons we missed a golden opportunity of letting the masks positively impact us on the up slope, it's still not too late if proper messages can be sent out to have masks help us on the down slope.

Time to prioritize health over everything else and do the right thing.

[og15]

I think people need to be realistic. I am on an island where we have been in lock down. Not light home sheltering your seeing over there. We did that after the 1st cases of community spread. We are a week into it, and we except higher number for another week plus. That is after the first case not tracked to overseas exposure. Texas is doing nada. They haven't even woken up from the nap yet. Until you go into lock down for several weeks dont expect anything to happen on the downside of this.

If I am thinking correctly, Texas has never been a place to generally do state wide mandates and they leave it up to the local governing bodies to make these decisions. I get that and all, but have they done something like send a letter to each jurisdiction to encourage them to take specific steps, or anything like that? I am not versed on what has or has not been done there, so I'm just wondering. You would think that the local officials are not living under a rock and would do what needs to be done though.

At the least, they should be more vigilant about the testing.

[bwgood77]

I think people need to be realistic. I am on an island where we have been in lock down. Not light home sheltering your seeing over there. We did that after the 1st cases of community spread. We are a week into it, and we except higher number for another week plus. That is after the first case not tracked to overseas exposure. Texas is doing nada. They haven't even woken up from the nap yet. Until you go into lock down for several weeks dont expect anything to happen on the downside of this.

If I am thinking correctly, Texas has never been a place to generally do state wide mandates and they leave it up to the local governing bodies to make these decisions. I get that and all, but have they done something like send a letter to each jurisdiction to encourage them to take specific steps, or anything like that? I am not versed on what has or has not been done there, so I'm just wondering. You would think that the local officials are not living under a rock and would do what needs to be done though.

At the least, they should be more vigilant about the testing.

All the major cities in Texas have shelter in place orders. I agree there should be a statewide order but there are over 250 counties, many very small rural areas. It's bigger than France with a little over a third as many people.

They definitely need way more testing though.

[ken6199]

Mar 30, this is still happening.

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Desperate times call for desperate measures. Is it legally possible to have laws saying that if you want to go crazy, your name goes into a database that if you ever get infected you are the least prioritized to accept medical treatment.

Doctors and nurses are risking their lives to safe people. So many are forced to stay a home sacrificing their paychecks, jobs, and careers to fight this thing together. If you want to be this thick, this is no different than ruining others lives and indirect murdering.

We want the government paychecks to go to those who need them the most, we also want the thickest nutjobs to get the heftiest punishment.

[LKN]

We have officially reached 1,000,000 infections. The case fatality rate is still over 5% worldwide.. yikes

[Dirk]

India

The mandatory daily WTF moment.

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"See guys. I am not that bad."

Hospital administrator, who chastises health workers for wearing protection in hallways

[chrismikayla]

My coworker who is an RN said she always tells people with viral illnesses that staying hydrated is the most important thing to do while recovering. It helps with immune function and recovery. It's easy to get dehydrated when ill because 1. You dont feel like eating or drinking, and 2. You get more dehydrated when your body is fighting an illness.

https://www.iprosport.com/news/covid-19-how-staying-hydrated-boosts-your-bodys-first-line-of-defence-against-the-novel-coronavirus

[Mister Ze]

The government spent billions on war and constructing a wall yet hospitals don't have protective equipment and respirators to fight a contagious disease.

I hope this changes how tax dollars are allocated.

[ken6199]

India

The mandatory daily WTF moment.

Spoiler:

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"See guys. I am not that bad."

Hospital administrator, who chastises health workers for wearing protection in hallways

Screw political correctness. Purge those mofos there is no better opportunity than this.

[Dirk]

Australia, the homeland of fine folks like Dupp, AussieCeltic, Zimpy, Crocodile Dundee and Guy Pearce seem to have this under control, unless they are cooking the numbers.

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[shakes0]

Mar 30, this is still happening.

Spoiler:

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Desperate times call for desperate measures. Is it legally possible to have laws saying that if you want to go crazy, your name goes into a database that if you ever get infected you are the least prioritized to accept medical treatment.

Doctors and nurses are risking their lives to safe people. So many are forced to stay a home sacrificing their paychecks, jobs, and careers to fight this thing together. If you want to be this thick, this is no different than ruining others lives and indirect murdering.

We want the government paychecks to go to those who need them the most, we also want the thickest nutjobs to get the heftiest punishment.

honestly, those cops should've just lit that crowd of morons up with tear gas and rubber bullets. I feel terrible for those unprotected cops who had to stand right next to those idiots. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one person who ends up dying can directly connect their illness to this crowd.

[Optimus_Steel]

The government spent billions on war and constructing a wall yet hospitals don't have protective equipment and respirators to fight a contagious disease.

I hope this changes how tax dollars are allocated.

Indications are that nothing has changed, the administration and congress got together to give trillions to large corporations, no questions asked, no double takes, just gave it to them right away, meanwhile help for everyday people was fiercely debated upon and it was a battle just to get some people basic things, no healthcare improvements for those people other than some money that wont be close to enough for some hospitals.

[Swish1906]

My coworker who is an RN said she always tells people with viral illnesses that staying hydrated is the most important thing to do while recovering. It helps with immune function and recovery. It's easy to get dehydrated when ill because 1. You dont feel like eating or drinking, and 2. You get more dehydrated when your body is fighting an illness.

https://www.iprosport.com/news/covid-19-how-staying-hydrated-boosts-your-bodys-first-line-of-defence-against-the-novel-coronavirus

In general, drinking too less water is a common and widespread issue and there are so many things resulting in this: headaches, general lack of energy/tiredness, constipation, dry skin etc etc. Everytime you feel thirsty, your body is allready dehydrated. Everytime your pee isnt clear or just slightly yellow, you are dehydrated (means pretty much every morning when you wake up and thats why you should normally straight chuck down 1-2 bottles water after getting up).

i can only recommend to use the time to track one day your water intake. Just drink out of bottles and everytime you empty the bottle you add a rubber band around it (or you start the day with 10 rubber bands around the bottle and remove one everytime you empty the bottle).

Daily recommended amount of water is 2.5-3 litres as adult (one gallon is 3.8l). Coffee, softdrinks, beer etc doesnt count. A lot of people wont even reach half of the recommended amount of water intake.

[ropjhk]

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Legit real.

If you want to look behind the curtain of what is actually saving us from impending doom, it's a bunch the most unassuming people you may ever meet and they aren't doing it for money, they do it because they like solving hard specific problems that the world needs answers for.

Smart people that like making money will make money.
Smart people that like solving problems will solve problems.

The sad thing is that smart people are still being ignored by stupid people all over the world.

They were ignored when they said that close contact with wild animals could create new viruses.
They were ignored when they said that the world wasn't prepared to handle a pandemic.
They were ignored when they said that there was a problem brewing in Wuhan and everyone should start preparing.
They were ignored when they said that the virus was way worse than the flu.
They were ignored when they said that the hospitals were going to be overloaded.
They were ignored when they tried to have people grasp the enormity of the situation, that 70% of the population could get infected without measures to mitigate and that millions would die in that scenario.
They were ignored when they said that the shut down was going to have to last for months.
They were ignored when they said that panic buying toilet paper is a stupid thing to do.

And the ignorance continues.

Smart people are being ignored when they say that resources need to be mobilized in a co-ordinated fashion.
Smart people are being ignored when they say that the world needs to set aside its differences and learn to work together to battle this virus.
They are being ignored when they say that life will not return back to normal, perhaps ever.

We are at a turning point. This event is the most significant thing to happen to the world since the second world war. We will come out the other side either more united and stronger than ever or divided, bitter and more vulnerable to a collapse of our global civilizations.

[ken6199]

Mar 30, this is still happening.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

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Desperate times call for desperate measures. Is it legally possible to have laws saying that if you want to go crazy, your name goes into a database that if you ever get infected you are the least prioritized to accept medical treatment.

Doctors and nurses are risking their lives to safe people. So many are forced to stay a home sacrificing their paychecks, jobs, and careers to fight this thing together. If you want to be this thick, this is no different than ruining others lives and indirect murdering.

We want the government paychecks to go to those who need them the most, we also want the thickest nutjobs to get the heftiest punishment.

honestly, those cops should've just lit that crowd of morons up with tear gas and rubber bullets. I feel terrible for those unprotected cops who had to stand right next to those idiots. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one person who ends up dying can directly connect their illness to this crowd.

Honestly it's becoming more and more serious. Everyone is calling them morons but the fact is those morons are wasting too much precious resource from medical staff and law enforcement that could have been saved for those who really need them. You put your life on the line for what, those people? I think this is the area our government needs to also step up. It's not just about providing them supplies, it's also about making sure our precious resources are spent on the most critical places instead of those hopeless. Certainly more can be done in that department.

Remember what James Ryan said in front of the tombstone of Captain Miller? "Tell me I am a good man. Tell me I earned it."

[zimpy27]

Australia, the homeland of fine folks like Dupp, AussieCeltic, Zimpy, Crocodile Dundee and Guy Pearce seem to have this under control, unless they are cooking the numbers.

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Australia is testing a lot, they put high priority in making sure health professionals don't get the virus and spread it in hospitals, clinics, care homes (at least as much as possible, it still happens). They also have similar geographical advantages as US in that many live spread out.

Still, Australia had to be more aggressive, unlike most of the countries listed, their winter flu season is about to begin which will jam up the hospitals on top of the virus. Plus the country is exceptionally dry.

[LKN]

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Legit real.

If you want to look behind the curtain of what is actually saving us from impending doom, it's a bunch the most unassuming people you may ever meet and they aren't doing it for money, they do it because they like solving hard specific problems that the world needs answers for.

Smart people that like making money will make money.
Smart people that like solving problems will solve problems.

The sad thing is that smart people are still being ignored by stupid people all over the world.

They were ignored when they said that close contact with wild animals could create new viruses.
They were ignored when they said that the world wasn't prepared to handle a pandemic.
They were ignored when they said that there was a problem brewing in Wuhan and everyone should start preparing.
They were ignored when they said that the virus was way worse than the flu.
They were ignored when they said that the hospitals were going to be overloaded.
They were ignored when they tried to have people grasp the enormity of the situation, that 70% of the population could get infected without measures to mitigate and that millions would die in that scenario.
They were ignored when they said that the shut down was going to have to last for months.
They were ignored when they said that panic buying toilet paper is a stupid thing to do.

And the ignorance continues.

Smart people are being ignored when they say that resources need to be mobilized in a co-ordinated fashion.
Smart people are being ignored when they say that the world needs to set aside its differences and learn to work together to battle this virus.
They are being ignored when they say that life will not return back to normal, perhaps ever.

We are at a turning point. This event is the most significant thing to happen to the world since the second world war. We will come out the other side either more united and stronger than ever or divided, bitter and more vulnerable to a collapse of our global civilizations.

It's like a perfect parallel to climate change on a much shorter timeline.

[ken6199]

Btw, Washington recovery rate is very promising. In a day or two it will jump over 10%. If it wasn't for those early outbreak nursing homes where lot of the elderly died, it could have even higher.

Lousiana on the other hand...