Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

DarkXaero · Post #381 » by **DarkXaero** » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:31 pm

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:So when league business resumes, is Sean Marks signing Chiozza and cutting Theo or what? We need Cheese in the playoffs.

dump musa. both suck, but pinson is a good cheerleader

Musa is only 20, and I bet some team could offer a 2nd round pick for him or something at least.

Prokorov · Post #382 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:12 pm

DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:So when league business resumes, is Sean Marks signing Chiozza and cutting Theo or what? We need Cheese in the playoffs.

dump musa. both suck, but pinson is a good cheerleader
Musa is only 20, and I bet some team could offer a 2nd round pick for him or something at least.

I doubt it... teams typically dont trade second round pick for guys who were basically second round picks a year or so ago.

I think he probably has the same career path as toko shenglia. hype, G-league sucess, but cant hack it in the NBA

Claud · Post #383 » by **Claud** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:44 pm

Pinson will get cut to keep Chiozza. Musa is too young to give up on and can continue to improve in g-league.

Pinson will never be NBA caliber, Musa might.

ProspectPark · Post #384 » by **ProspectPark** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:55 pm

I think this team is one piece away from being complete. We need a backup 4 who can defend, stretch the floor, and play the 5 in money time. With our depth, we could destroy teams with our second unit. Then in the 4th, we have Kyrie, KD, LeVert, Dinwiddie, and Harris. Any one of these players can get hot and takeover if needed.

Projected 2020 lineup:

Kyrie - LeVert - Harris - KD - DJ
Dinwiddie - Temple - Prince - (...) - Allen
Chiozza - TLC - Musa - Rodi - Claxton

1st Round pick Jordan Nwora could also be put in the rotation.

Potential free agents we can sign with the MLE:

Paul Millsap (old but still really good)
Dario Saric (money from mid range, excellent passer)
Marvin Williams (washed?)
JaMychal Green (can he defend?)
Juan Hernangomez (can he shoot?)

What do you guys think about Millsap and Saric? Any other names we should target in free agency?

Claud · Post #385 » by **Claud** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:59 pm

7footMONSTER wrote:I think this team is one piece away from being complete. We need a backup 4 who can defend, stretch the floor, and play the 5 in money time. With our depth, we could destroy teams with our second unit. Then in the 4th, we have Kyrie, KD, LeVert, Dinwiddie, and Harris. Any one of these players can get hot and takeover if needed.

Projected 2020 lineup:

Kyrie - LeVert - Harris - KD - DJ
Dinwiddie - Temple - Prince - (...) - Allen
Chiozza - TLC - Musa - Rodi - Claxton

1st Round pick Jordan Nwora could also be put in the rotation.

Potential free agents we can sign with the MLE:

Paul Millsap (old but still really good)
Dario Saric (money from mid range, excellent passer)
Marvin Williams (washed?)
JaMychal Green (can he defend?)
Juan Hernangomez (can he shoot)

What do you guys think about Millsap and Saric? Any other names we should target in free agency?

I think Claxton has potential to be that guy.

He is mobile, aggresive, plays tough D, can handle the ball, better shooting, good rebounder, etc.

I read that Clax was going to spend his summer working out with KD as his mentor. That's a great start.

I think Ibaka would be a great pickup that could play that role as well.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Caris/KD/Claxton could be our death lineup for next season.

ProspectPark · Post #386 » by **ProspectPark** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:40 am

Claud wrote:
7footMONSTER wrote:I think this team is one piece away from being complete. We need a backup 4 who can defend, stretch the floor, and play the 5 in money time. With our depth, we could destroy teams with our second unit. Then in the 4th, we have Kyrie, KD, LeVert, Dinwiddie, and Harris. Any one of these players can get hot and takeover if needed.

Projected 2020 lineup:

Kyrie - LeVert - Harris - KD - DJ
Dinwiddie - Temple - Prince - (...) - Allen
Chiozza - TLC - Musa - Rodi - Claxton

1st Round pick Jordan Nwora could also be put in the rotation.

Potential free agents we can sign with the MLE:

Paul Millsap (old but still really good)
Dario Saric (money from mid range, excellent passer)
Marvin Williams (washed?)
JaMychal Green (can he defend?)
Juan Hernangomez (can he shoot)

What do you guys think about Millsap and Saric? Any other names we should target in free agency?

I think Claxton has potential to be that guy.

He is mobile, aggresive, plays tough D, can handle the ball, better shooting, good rebounder, etc.

I read that Clax was going to spend his summer working out with KD as his mentor. That's a great start.

I think Ibaka would be a great pickup that could play that role as well.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Caris/KD/Claxton could be our death lineup for next season.

Would love for Clax to develop into that role. He definitely has the skill set and potential.

Still tho, if the Nets are serious about going all in for the next 2 years, using the MLE for a high IQ, experienced vet who can guard 3-5 and shoot is essential.

Other than Ibaka taking a huge pay cut, is there any other path to us getting him?

Prokorov · Post #387 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:34 pm

7footMONSTER wrote:I think this team is one piece away from being complete. We need a backup 4 who can defend, stretch the floor, and play the 5 in money time. With our depth, we could destroy teams with our second unit. Then in the 4th, we have Kyrie, KD, LeVert, Dinwiddie, and Harris. Any one of these players can get hot and takeover if needed.

Projected 2020 lineup:

Kyrie - LeVert - Harris - KD - DJ
Dinwiddie - Temple - Prince - (...) - Allen
Chiozza - TLC - Musa - Rodi - Claxton

1st Round pick Jordan Nwora could also be put in the rotation.

Potential free agents we can sign with the MLE:

Paul Millsap (old but still really good)
Dario Saric (money from mid range, excellent passer)
Marvin Williams (washed?)
JaMychal Green (can he defend?)
Juan Hernangomez (can he shoot?)

What do you guys think about Millsap and Saric? Any other names we should target in free agency?

i dont know what milsap has left
Saric is absolutely terrible
williams i dont know what he has left
Green is no better than prince or temple
Hernangomez is a center

i dont think any option is better than what we have with prince/temple/chandler

ecuhus1981 · Post #388 » by **ecuhus1981** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:12 pm

Millsap could be a starter for us, he darn sure qualifies as our backup 4.

You have a complex about Euro stretch forwards. Dario is not a big upgrade, but I would free up a roster spot for him if he came affordably.

Who? Chandler is better.

I agree with you about JaMychal, he looked legit for a minute in Memphis but he's been churn-level since.

You're thinking of Willy Hernanogomez. Juancho is a 4 or a 3.

DarkXaero · Post #389 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:15 pm

Prokorov wrote:
7footMONSTER wrote:I think this team is one piece away from being complete. We need a backup 4 who can defend, stretch the floor, and play the 5 in money time. With our depth, we could destroy teams with our second unit. Then in the 4th, we have Kyrie, KD, LeVert, Dinwiddie, and Harris. Any one of these players can get hot and takeover if needed.

Projected 2020 lineup:

Kyrie - LeVert - Harris - KD - DJ
Dinwiddie - Temple - Prince - (...) - Allen
Chiozza - TLC - Musa - Rodi - Claxton

1st Round pick Jordan Nwora could also be put in the rotation.

Potential free agents we can sign with the MLE:

Paul Millsap (old but still really good)
Dario Saric (money from mid range, excellent passer)
Marvin Williams (washed?)
JaMychal Green (can he defend?)
Juan Hernangomez (can he shoot?)

What do you guys think about Millsap and Saric? Any other names we should target in free agency?

i dont know what milsap has left
Saric is absolutely terrible
williams i dont know what he has left
Green is no better than prince or temple
Hernangomez is a center

i dont think any option is better than what we have with prince/temple/chandler

That's crazy talk, Millsap this season is still a high level PF. Shooting 44% from 3, ~60% TS% overall, still a plus defender (consistent with his career). We'd be extremely fortunate if we could land Millsap in free agency, he's better than any big on this roster. Although with Kenny gone, we've lost one of the big recruiting elements for Millsap.

I would also argue that Marvin Williams is a better version of Wilson Chandler (A better shooter, and similar caliber defender).

DarkXaero · Post #390 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:19 pm

Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
dump musa. both suck, but pinson is a good cheerleader
Musa is only 20, and I bet some team could offer a 2nd round pick for him or something at least.

I doubt it... teams typically dont trade second round pick for guys who were basically second round picks a year or so ago.

I think he probably has the same career path as toko shenglia. hype, G-league sucess, but cant hack it in the NBA

I disagree, Musa has been much more highly rated as a prospect than Toko ever was. If Musa can develop into a good NBA shooter, and fix his shot selection, there's plenty of time for him to have an NBA career. A team like Spurs or Mavs could take a chance on him.

Prokorov · Post #391 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:06 pm

DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Musa is only 20, and I bet some team could offer a 2nd round pick for him or something at least.

I doubt it... teams typically dont trade second round pick for guys who were basically second round picks a year or so ago.

I think he probably has the same career path as toko shenglia. hype, G-league sucess, but cant hack it in the NBA
I disagree, Musa has been much more highly rated as a prospect than Toko ever was. If Musa can develop into a good NBA shooter, and fix his shot selection, there's plenty of time for him to have an NBA career. A team like Spurs or Mavs could take a chance on him.

i dont think anyone rated musa high. and i think it was viewed as a reach taking him in roumd one. i dont think he will get another chance after the nets. he just doesnt have anything team value.

DarkXaero · Post #392 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:04 pm

Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
I doubt it... teams typically dont trade second round pick for guys who were basically second round picks a year or so ago.

I think he probably has the same career path as toko shenglia. hype, G-league sucess, but cant hack it in the NBA
I disagree, Musa has been much more highly rated as a prospect than Toko ever was. If Musa can develop into a good NBA shooter, and fix his shot selection, there's plenty of time for him to have an NBA career. A team like Spurs or Mavs could take a chance on him.

i dont think anyone rated musa high. and i think it was viewed as a reach taking him in roumd one. i dont think he will get another chance after the nets. he just doesnt have anything team value.

No, it wasn't viewed as a reach. Musa was mocked in late 1st round, the reason why he ended up falling more was because Musa wanted to come to NBA right away, while teams preferred to Euro stash him for development reasons.

Prokorov · Post #393 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:44 am

DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:I disagree, Musa has been much more highly rated as a prospect than Toko ever was. If Musa can develop into a good NBA shooter, and fix his shot selection, there's plenty of time for him to have an NBA career. A team like Spurs or Mavs could take a chance on him.

i dont think anyone rated musa high. and i think it was viewed as a reach taking him in roumd one. i dont think he will get another chance after the nets. he just doesnt have anything team value.
No, it wasn't viewed as a reach. Musa was mocked in late 1st round, the reason why he ended up falling more was because Musa wanted to come to NBA right away, while teams preferred to Euro stash him for development reasons.

i remeber reading him mid second round. i was surprised when we took him.

In all my years watching the nets, he is one of if not the worst young player ive seen. Tyrod Taylor, Marquis teague. if it wasnt for pinson he would look alot worse but he has him to compare to

DarkXaero · Post #394 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:57 am

Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
i dont think anyone rated musa high. and i think it was viewed as a reach taking him in roumd one. i dont think he will get another chance after the nets. he just doesnt have anything team value.
No, it wasn't viewed as a reach. Musa was mocked in late 1st round, the reason why he ended up falling more was because Musa wanted to come to NBA right away, while teams preferred to Euro stash him for development reasons.

i remeber reading him mid second round. i was surprised when we took him.

In all my years watching the nets, he is one of if not the worst young player ive seen. Tyrod Taylor, Marquis teague. if it wasnt for pinson he would look alot worse but he has him to compare to

He was mocked in the first round everywhere.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2018/

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2018-nba-mock-draft.html

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781931-2018-nba-mock-draft-final-2-round-predictions#slide12

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/04/19/nba-mock-draft-2018

https://www.nba.com/article/2018/06/18/morning-tip-2018-mock-draft

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2018-nba-mock-draft-final-look-and-projection-of-both-rounds-before-teams-pick-thursday-night/

Not a reach at all.

Dzon Dilindzer · Post #395 » by **Dzon Dilindzer** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:53 am

musa will break out at some point, no doubt about that, will it be at brooklyn or some other team, it remains to be seen

hes played 60 games in the g league (48 last season, 12 this season), and his 3pt percentage is okay, 36.5 last season, 41.5 this season and that clearly shows he can shoot the ball and it shows he cracked under the pressure in brooklyn

obviously, hes not gifted physically as other nba athletes, so he needs to read the game better and know when to and when not to attack the rim, but thats part of the process, part of growing as a player

the bigger and stronger he gets, which is also a process, he will easier get to and finish at the rim... the biggest improvement by far was his defense, literally none of us in his homeland expected that

you dont give up on a talented 20 yo in his second nba season (you could say first, given he played in the g league his rookie season and only played 9 games in the nba, while averaging 4.3 mpg in garbage time)

35 games played in the nba this season, averaging 11.5 mpg and youre ready to give up on him, that seems excessive... i sort of understand that, given you dont know musa, but us who followed him since his young age, know that he is natural scorer and like i said, sooner or later, he will break out

as the things stand now, id like to see musa moved somewhere else, but well see what future holds, it will be a big summer for brooklyn and a lot of scenarios are possible, not just for musa, but brooklyn in general

Prokorov · Post #396 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:49 pm

Dzon Dilindzer wrote:musa will break out at some point, no doubt about that, will it be at brooklyn or some other team, it remains to be seen

hes played 60 games in the g league (48 last season, 12 this season), and his 3pt percentage is okay, 36.5 last season, 41.5 this season and that clearly shows he can shoot the ball and it shows he cracked under the pressure in brooklyn

obviously, hes not gifted physically as other nba athletes, so he needs to read the game better and know when to and when not to attack the rim, but thats part of the process, part of growing as a player

the bigger and stronger he gets, which is also a process, he will easier get to and finish at the rim... the biggest improvement by far was his defense, literally none of us in his homeland expected that

you dont give up on a talented 20 yo in his second nba season (you could say first, given he played in the g league his rookie season and only played 9 games in the nba, while averaging 4.3 mpg in garbage time)

35 games played in the nba this season, averaging 11.5 mpg and youre ready to give up on him, that seems excessive... i sort of understand that, given you dont know musa, but us who followed him since his young age, know that he is natural scorer and like i said, sooner or later, he will break out

as the things stand now, id like to see musa moved somewhere else, but well see what future holds, it will be a big summer for brooklyn and a lot of scenarios are possible, not just for musa, but brooklyn in general

I cant really say i gave up on him, since i view anyone taken in the 30-60 range to have like a 90% chance of never being a consistent rotation player. its more that he didnt change my mind about that and he has nothing ive seen that seperates him for other 2nd rounders and gleaguers.

vincecarter4pres · Post #397 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 2:59 am

Three Team Trade

Phoenix sends:
DeAndre Ayton
Ricky Rubio

Phoenix receives:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Taureen Prince
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick

Brooklyn sends:
Caris LeVert
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Dzanan Musa
Taureen Prince
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick
2021 or 2022 Brooklyn 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

Brooklyn receives:
Bradley Beal
Ricky Rubio

Washington sends:
Bradley Beal

Washington receives:
Caris LeVert
DeAndre Ayton
Dzanan Musa
2021 or 2022 Brooklyn 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

MrDollarBills · Post #398 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 12:49 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Three Team Trade

Phoenix sends:
DeAndre Ayton
Ricky Rubio

Phoenix receives:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Taureen Prince
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick

Brooklyn sends:
Caris LeVert
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Dzanan Musa
Taureen Prince
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick
2021 or 2022 Brooklyn 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

Brooklyn receives:
Bradley Beal
Ricky Rubio

Washington sends:
Bradley Beal

Washington receives:
Caris LeVert
DeAndre Ayton
Dzanan Musa
2021 or 2022 Brooklyn 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

I would say that Phoenix would object to this.

Post #399 » by **NyCeEvO** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 3:51 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Three Team Trade

Phoenix sends:
DeAndre Ayton
Ricky Rubio

Phoenix receives:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Taureen Prince
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick

Brooklyn sends:
Caris LeVert
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Dzanan Musa
Taureen Prince
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick
2021 or 2022 Brooklyn 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

Brooklyn receives:
Bradley Beal
Ricky Rubio

Washington sends:
Bradley Beal

Washington receives:
Caris LeVert
DeAndre Ayton
Dzanan Musa
2021 or 2022 Brooklyn 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

I would say that Phoenix would object to this.

Agreed. I think they would rather try to pair Dinwiddie with Ayton instead of giving him up to get Din.

vincecarter4pres · Post #400 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 5:18 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Three Team Trade

Phoenix sends:
DeAndre Ayton
Ricky Rubio

Phoenix receives:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Taureen Prince
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick

Brooklyn sends:
Caris LeVert
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen
Dzanan Musa
Taureen Prince
2020 Philadelphia 1st round pick
2021 or 2022 Brooklyn 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

Brooklyn receives:
Bradley Beal
Ricky Rubio

Washington sends:
Bradley Beal

Washington receives:
Caris LeVert
DeAndre Ayton
Dzanan Musa
2021 or 2022 Brooklyn 1st round pick
2020 Denver 2nd round pick
2021 Atlanta 2nd round pick

I would say that Phoenix would object to this.

Agreed. I think they would rather try to pair Dinwiddie with Ayton instead of giving him up to get Din.

I wonder depending on where their pick falls after the lottery if they'll consider their pick and Rubio for Dinwiddie, and a toss in like Musa? Like if they pick 9th overall?

If even say they jump to 5. With the Sixers pick?

Would they do 5/Rubio for 18/Dinwiddie/Musa?

That pick could then be combined with LeVert, Allen, Prince and a future pick or 2 for Beal.

I think with a top 5 jump they'd think about it but ultimately decline. But say they pick 8 to 10, which is the most likely scenario, they'd certainly entertain it and Imho agree.

So we do Dinwiddie/Musa or Rodi for say 9/Rubio.

We then send LeVert, Allen, 9th/18th, Prince and possibly a heavily protected future 1st, or lightly protected 2021 1st(top 10) for Beal.

That is a highly attractive package for Beal.

And to me, Rubio is a great fit next to Kyrie especially, but also everyone else on the roster, especially projecting times when Kyrie is down for say 8 games and the rest of the roster is healthy.

Go after Gallo in a S&T if possible by the CBA, or Ibaka with the MLE.

Sick.