The Kobe Step Through

[Joao Saraiva]

Yes Kobe travelled. Yes LeBron travels. Yes MJ did travel too. Harden takes a ton of steps. Karl Malone used to travel a ton too.

Every star in the league is allowed to do it. It's equal to all of them, so I'm not obsessed with it.

[prophet_of_rage]

Okay, it's been established that it's TECHNICALLY legal. But it's a lame AF move. When dudes (or girls) do it, most people will shake their head and lose a little respect. It's similar to relying on the ref to call a ticky tack foul because you missed a lay-up or you lost the ball because of a minor hand check.

The rule should be clarified/changed that if you lift your pivot foot, you have to shoot or pass before either foot touches the ground again. As that's how I'd guess the majority of people were taught the game, and how the greatest of players of all-time viewed the rule as.

So no 2 step layups?

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[BernteB]

No, you are the one that doesn't know the rules, nobody does it in FIBA. You found a video on some obscure channel. FIBA game is more clean than the NBA.

sorry, based on your weird posts in this thread, i truely believe you have a mental issue. even though you were presented with proves that it's a legal move, you just deny them as "obscure". you are basically saying that the rules are wrong, because YOU think so. alas, you perfectly fit in todays society. alternative facts and all this. either this or you just don't have ANY clue about basketball rules. or both.

btw: here you have a negative, where it actually IS travelling:
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/travel-on-the-perimeter-lifts-and-steps-with-pivot-foot/

This is the same play lol. There you go, you've just found an evidence against your theory, finally. It's literally the same play where player lifts his pivot foot and lands on the other one before he shot the ball.

Edit- I see now that he put even his pivot foot on the ground, so it makes it even worse, and that's supposed to be the difference in plays, but it's a travel regardless if he lands with his pivot foot or not, he can't land with EITHER foot once he lifts his pivot. Basic basketball rules that are being manipulated these days.

eh, no, it's not the same. i still don't know if you are trolling or if you really that daft. either way, i'm not going to waste my time on you anymore.

[lamscott]

Every yelling about the step through while James Harden laughs all the way to the bank

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Maybe in a few more years, we'll finally get to the bottom of this mystery . . .

there's no mistery, just a bunch of people totally clueless about the rules.
The fact that so many NBA players are in this group is quite baffling, though

Players must be idiots that don't know the rules.

I'm not say they're idiots, just some of them don't know the rules, apparently.
Just like you don't, apparently, but I am not calling you an idiot because of it.
But if after the evidence provided, including the letter of the rulebook, you insist on this it's clearly not worth arguing. As long as refs are calling this properly, you can think what you won't. People can have way more nefarious beliefs than this one...

[sixerswillrule]

I remember that exchange, and Melo is correct, but you see the conclusion they come to which is that it is legal by the rule book, but whatever the refs call as a travel is a travel.

I was taught this move by a college coach (I was in high school) back in like 2000 or 2001, and I was taught it as basic fundamental footwork. When I encountered people saying it was a travel, I thought they were just clueless about proper footwork, but I later realized that a lot of people actually saw it as such, which I see why they would see it that way.

Funny that even Melo himself almost always by instinct has done the 2 foot jump on his step throughs. Only once have I ever seen him do this one foot step through, in the video I posted.

There is some evidence of it being in the US for a long time though. Here is an old college and NBA coach teaching it, at the 1 minute mark. Started coaching college in the 60s.

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In the comments section he explains why it's legal and says he taught this to Pau Gasol when he was an assistant coach for the Grizzlies, which was in the early 2000s. I've never seen Pau do this though.

[sixerswillrule]

11:30

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funny how derek fisher does the travel sign after the move. shows you how even veterans have no clue about basic rules.

Fisher, Kobe, Odom, Walton. Even Phil Jackson. And Jeff Van Gundy commentating.

[Movics]

It’s not changing pivot foot, it would be called a travel if he put his pivot foot back down after lifting it with the ball still in the player’s hand. You’re allowed to jump off your pivot foot. It’s the same move as if you jumped off of two feet after pivoting. If your pivot foot is not touching the floor again with the ball still in your hands, it’s a legal move.

[sixerswillrule]

Absolutely hilarious how all those Grizzlies go nuts, because of this totally legal move, that we teach 10 year olds over here in Europe. Makes you wonder what is going on with skills developement in the US.

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That's a travel. I don't know what rules(fiba, nba) we're using for the discussion, i haven't read the entire thread. Just the last 3-4 pages.
That's a travel. Cmon now. I've never been a pro but i used to play bball all the time when i was younger.
If the rules don't say it is a travel, then the rules must change. Hilarious.

I was making those same arguments in this thread 11 years ago.

[jrask]

travel

[BernteB]

if everyone had to pass a test on basic basketball rules before being allowed to post in the general board, the forum would be pretty empty.

[sixerswillrule]

We don't need to clarify something that should be obvious. I don't think i've seen something similar(lately at least).
I've never watched WNBA but i know who Candace Parker is. If this thing is regularly happening in WNBA, then LOL
That's all i can say.

It's rare but not as rare as you might think.

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[ellobo]

We don't need to clarify something that should be obvious. I don't think i've seen something similar(lately at least).
I've never watched WNBA but i know who Candace Parker is. If this thing is regularly happening in WNBA, then LOL
That's all i can say.

It's rare but not as rare as you might think.

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That video is a great find to illustrate the point and a lot of different variations in how it can be used.

The Ryan Anderson play at 5:48 stands out because he does it without a dribble. He catches, jabs with his non-pivot foot, then takees a big step onto his non-pivot foot (lifting his pivot foot) and then shoots before his pivot foot comes back down.

I don't understand why this move is so hard for people to accept, and why people mistakenly believe that lifting the pivot foot is a violation. The rules explicitly state that you can lift your pivot foot as long as you pass or shoot before it comes back down:

If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor.

Maybe people get it confused with the rule for starting a dribble, where the ball must be released before the pivot foot comes off the floor:

In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.

[sixerswillrule]

Maybe in a few more years, we'll finally get to the bottom of this mystery . . .

there's no mistery, just a bunch of people totally clueless about the rules.
The fact that so many NBA players are in this group is quite baffling, though

The mystery is why players think this is a travel and if this used to be called a travel in the NBA.

[sixerswillrule]

We don't need to clarify something that should be obvious. I don't think i've seen something similar(lately at least).
I've never watched WNBA but i know who Candace Parker is. If this thing is regularly happening in WNBA, then LOL
That's all i can say.

It's rare but not as rare as you might think.

Watch on YouTube

That video is a great find to illustrate the point and a lot of different variations in how it can be used.

The Ryan Anderson play at 5:48 stands out because he does it without a dribble. He catches, jabs with his non-pivot foot, then takees a big step onto his non-pivot foot (lifting his pivot foot) and then shoots before his pivot foot comes back down.

I don't understand why this move is so hard for people to accept, and why people mistakenly believe that lifting the pivot foot is a violation. The rules explicitly state that you can lift your pivot foot as long as you pass or shoot before it comes back down

I think it's very possible that referees historically have called this a travel, which would explain why guys who played so long in the league like Ray Allen, Garnett, and Payton have said that it's a travel. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of lower level players and fans.

The Wade move which I posted a few pages earlier and also is at 3:45 in the above video - Can you imagine Jordan doing that? I've never seen him do anything close to that, after picking up his dribble and coming to a stop. He could've pump faked his lethal mid-range jumper at the FT line and then gotten to the rim without a dribble.

I'm just struggling to find old footage of anyone doing this. And I've found tons of old step throughs, but they always do the 2 foot jump. Here I found Walt Frazier doing it at 1:27, but based on player reactions it looks like it was called a travel.

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There's 1 clip of Hakeem in the other video but it's not nearly as blatant as the other moves.

[sixerswillrule]

We don't need to clarify something that should be obvious. I don't think i've seen something similar(lately at least).
I've never watched WNBA but i know who Candace Parker is. If this thing is regularly happening in WNBA, then LOL
That's all i can say.

It's rare but not as rare as you might think.

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Also just wanted to add that this actually happens regularly at all levels of women's/girl's basketball, not just the WNBA.

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[jason bourne]

I'm glad the NBA doesn't referee their games like the way the OP whines about the game and superstars getting special treatment. We would have calls on practically every possession if they allowed the whiners and cry babies to referee the games. The game would be unwatchable for me. I don't like the extended time taken to verify the call. Maybe it should be kept to the last two or three minutes of the quarter. Kobe's step through isn't a travel as he goes into the act of shooting from his step through. Other players do it and do not get called.

[JShuttlesworth]

It's a good move. Always seems shady when it's done though.

I used to think you had to jump off of two feet, but reading the rule book it seems it's legit.

This is where a player like Harden get's away with some of the stuff he does. He reads this pivot foot stuff carefully.

Spoiler:

"Section VIII—Pivot
a. A pivot takes place when a player, who is holding the ball, steps once or more than once
in any direction with the same foot, with the other foot (pivot foot) in contact with the floor.

b. If the player wishes to dribble after a pivot, the ball must be out of his hand before
the pivot foot is raised off the floor. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass or
attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.

If he fails to follow these guidelines, he has committed a traveling violation"

Section XIII—Traveling

d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must
pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor.

h. Upon ending his dribble or gaining control of the ball, a player may not touch the
floor consecutively with the same foot (hop).

[NPZ]

It's over guys. He's dead.