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Post#41 » by SuperDeluxe » Sat Apr 4, 2020 6:08 pm

claycarver wrote:I'm going to put this out here even though it sounds awful...these last few weeks have been awesome for my family. Both my wife and I have continued to get paid even though our responsibilities have been greatly curtailed. I have two teenage daughters that live the hectic lives of high powered executives (school, activities, sports, friends, etc.) without the personal resources to power those lives. That's all come to a halt which has saves me hours and cash...also, I like them so it's nice having them home. I've gotten more home projects done these last two weeks than I did last year. The house is starting to look like a magazine spread, so wife is super grateful.

There hasn't been a personal downside for my own family. It feels shameful to say that with all the anxiety and instability facing other people. But if you're asking how we're doing, there it is.

That's awesome. And frankly, I think most people love to hear these stories, especially when every website - news-oriented or not - seems to be coronavirus-centric right now. There's only so much death, ventilators, politics, masks and toilet paper a normal person can take in without needing some fresh air like the above.
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Post#42 » by djFan71 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 6:17 pm

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djFan71 wrote:For roll call: Wife & I are both at home and healthy. She got laid off, but while not glad, we feel safer about it that way. We moved to Central Oregon from Seattle 3.5 years ago, and we would have been screwed there. We lived in a big apt building and ate out for over half of our meals. Since moving, we cook at home way more, so are much better prepared.

We have a decent supply of food, but not months worth or anything. One of us goes out once a week or so to shop - either late at night or right after the senior hours end seem to be pretty low volume.

Community here is pretty decent at distancing, but everyone is an outdoors lover - it's why you move here. So, they had to close all the parks to stop people going, and even that didn't really get to 100%. Overall, though, we're in much better shape than other parts of the country.


I keep thinking about moving to Oregon, but have always focused on Portland (which is the only place I've been in Oregon besides a couple of coastal towns).

What are the pluses of where you're living? Sounds appealing.

I'm in Bend, which is the other side of the Cascade mountains from Portland. Vancouver BC down thru Seattle to Olympia and Vancouver, WA down thru Portland to Eugene are all west of the Cascades and are the main population centers in the Pacific NW. All 3 of the big cities are amazing places. The downsides are 1) they are growing like crazy and were verging on SF level - everything is expensive. And, 2) rain.

The weather thing is real. It's not like it rains hard all the time. It's just cloudy, grey and misty for 8 months of the year. We lived there for over 20 years, so it's not like it's unbearable, but it does wear on you at times. If you visit in Aug-October you'll think it's paradise, though.

Bend, being on the other side, the mountains block the rain. We get sun instead of grey. But, you're still close to all the mountains for all sorts of outdoor stuff. In summer, it's hiking, biking, kayaking, paddleboarding. In the winter, you have Mt Bachelor open most years from late Nov to late April. There are just tons of trails and snoparks too. We do XC skiing. But, there are a lot of snowmobile trails too. People LOVE their toys out here. Trucks, trailers, RVs, snowmobiles, 4 wheelers, you name it. We don't do any of the big motorized stuff but still own paddleboards, skis, bikes and were thinking of kayaks...

Bend is starting to grow too, so it's not cheap by any means, but cheaper than Seattle/Portland/Boston for sure. It has a pretty solid music scene for a city of 100k. A bazillion breweries. Non-pub restaurants are a little harder to come by, but were starting to gain some momentum pre-virus.

The main downsides are weather if you don't like snow activities. It'll be cold, but sunny, for a good 4 months. And diversity is basically non-existent. White folk as far as the eye can see. If you love outdoor activities and gorgeous mountains, it can be worth the trade off. If not, I'm not sure why you'd come.

EDIT: A few other cons are the job market. It was hot pre-corona, but still fairly limited and cyclical. The area got hit hard back in 2008-9 recession. Also, we are pretty isolated. There is no major city around - at all. Portland is 3.5 hours away across a mountain pass which can be difficult/closed during winter.
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Post#43 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Apr 4, 2020 6:40 pm

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claycarver wrote:I'm going to put this out here even though it sounds awful...these last few weeks have been awesome for my family. Both my wife and I have continued to get paid even though our responsibilities have been greatly curtailed. I have two teenage daughters that live the hectic lives of high powered executives (school, activities, sports, friends, etc.) without the personal resources to power those lives. That's all come to a halt which has saves me hours and cash...also, I like them so it's nice having them home. I've gotten more home projects done these last two weeks than I did last year. The house is starting to look like a magazine spread, so wife is super grateful.

There hasn't been a personal downside for my own family. It feels shameful to say that with all the anxiety and instability facing other people. But if you're asking how we're doing, there it is.

That's awesome. And frankly, I think most people love to hear these stories, especially when every website - news-oriented or not - seems to be coronavirus-centric right now. There's only so much death, ventilators, politics, masks and toilet paper that a normal person can take in without needing some fresh air like the above.


My wife and I are also among the lucky ones. We rarely leave the house under any circumstances, solo walks in the neighborhood perhaps excepted. :) Now I don't think I've gone anywhere for well over a week. If any kind of online delivery actually works (we have an Instacart time slot for next Tuesday), that track record will continue for a while. If not, I'll make the occasional rare grocery trip during senior hour.

We have both actually had minor flu-like symptoms for a few months, but both timing and symptom details make us think this is VERY unlikely to be COVID-19.

ANd the big thing is -- we adopted two young cats on March 16. They actually arrived by plane while air travel was still realistic. So that's changed our lives quite a bit, for the better. :)
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Post#44 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Sat Apr 4, 2020 6:45 pm

First off I want to say that I'm thankful everyone I know is healthy. My wife does work at the hospital for per diem and they have been canceling her shifts which I'm grateful for. I'm lucky my wife and myself still have have a paycheck coming in. I'm working from home which is fine I guess but I'm not doing my normal job so it's a little tough.

Still I'm starting to get depressed about all of this. I miss playing basketball and going to the gym and seeing my friends and people I work with.

My daughter is handling it fine she sits on her phone all day, my son it's getting pretty down. He misses playing basketball and hanging out with his friends. There was a hoop behind my house so we can go and shoot around there but the town put two pieces of wood between the rim rendering it useless.

The weather still isn't great so at least we're not missing a ton by not being able to go outside. What worries me is I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel and my fear is this is going to go until July or August; meaning no beach no cookouts no get-togethers etc. As anyone in New England knows summer is very short and even missing a month of it is too much.

We will see what happens and I'm trying to remain positive and just got through this like everyone else. Hope everybody else on here is doing well.
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Post#45 » by Parliament10 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 6:56 pm

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Post#46 » by SuperDeluxe » Sat Apr 4, 2020 6:59 pm

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Post#47 » by Bad-Thoma » Sat Apr 4, 2020 8:23 pm

claycarver wrote:I'm going to put this out here even though it sounds awful...these last few weeks have been awesome for my family. Both my wife and I have continued to get paid even though our responsibilities have been greatly curtailed. I have two teenage daughters that live the hectic lives of high powered executives (school, activities, sports, friends, etc.) without the personal resources to power those lives. That's all come to a halt which has saves me hours and cash...also, I like them so it's nice having them home. I've gotten more home projects done these last two weeks than I did last year. The house is starting to look like a magazine spread, so wife is super grateful.

There hasn't been a personal downside for my own family. It feels shameful to say that with all the anxiety and instability facing other people. But if you're asking how we're doing, there it is.


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Post#48 » by Green89 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 8:24 pm

Finally a sunny day! Been out on my deck most of the day. High 40s but it feels closer to 60 when the sun's on you and there's no breeze. Next three days are supposed to be even nicer, before a little downturn for several days beyond that.
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Post#49 » by canman1971 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 8:36 pm

Green89 wrote:Finally a sunny day! Been out on my deck most of the day. High 40s but it feels closer to 60 when the sun's on you and there's no breeze. Next three days are supposed to be even nicer, before a little downturn for several days beyond that.

Same here. Spent much of the day outside. Oxygen and vitamin D is a great treatment.
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Post#50 » by Dave_From_NB » Sat Apr 4, 2020 9:13 pm

Green89 wrote:Finally a sunny day! Been out on my deck most of the day. High 40s but it feels closer to 60 when the sun's on you and there's no breeze. Next three days are supposed to be even nicer, before a little downturn for several days beyond that.


We spent a bunch of time outside too, picking up branches, cutting hedges, snowblower and shovels stored, chairs out to the deck - helps the spirit. The ice went out this week, heard the first loon today. Usually I hate yardwork - but that looks like a good part of the plan for the next few weeks anyway.
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Post#51 » by threrf23 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 10:20 pm

So, I found myself curious about Ivermectin, the drug that supposedly can help fight COVID-19.

From Newsweek:

Researchers at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia have discovered that the antiparasitic drug Ivermectin can inhibit replication of SARS-CoV-2, the virus the causes COVID-19, according to a study published Friday in the journal Antiviral Research.

"Ivermectin is very widely used and seen as a safe drug. We need to figure out now whether the dosage you can use it at in humans will be effective—that's the next step," said the study's leader Dr. Kylie Wagstaff in a statement.

"We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it," she added.

The exact manner in which the drug is able to kill the virus is not yet known, although Wagstaff said it was likely done by "dampening down" the ability of host cells to clear the drug.


From a 2017 entry in The Journal of Antibiotics:

Ivermectin: enigmatic multifaceted ‘wonder’ drug continues to surprise and exceed expectations

Abstract
Over the past decade, the global scientific community have begun to recognize the unmatched value of an extraordinary drug, ivermectin, that originates from a single microbe unearthed from soil in Japan. Work on ivermectin has seen its discoverer, Satoshi Ōmura, of Tokyo’s prestigious Kitasato Institute, receive the 2014 Gairdner Global Health Award and the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, which he shared with a collaborating partner in the discovery and development of the drug, William Campbell of Merck & Co. Incorporated. Today, ivermectin is continuing to surprise and excite scientists, offering more and more promise to help improve global public health by treating a diverse range of diseases, with its unexpected potential as an antibacterial, antiviral and anti-cancer agent being particularly extraordinary.

Introduction
The unique and extraordinary microorganism that produces the avermectins (from which ivermectin is derived) was discovered by Ōmura in 1973 (Figure 1). It was sent to Merck laboratories to be run through a specialized screen for anthelmintics in 1974 and the avermectins were found and named in 1975. The safer and more effective derivative, ivermectin, was subsequently commercialized, entering the veterinary, agricultural and aquaculture markets in 1981. The drug’s potential in human health was confirmed a few years later and it was registered in 1987 and immediately provided free of charge (branded as Mectizan)—‘as much as needed for as long as needed’—with the goal of helping to control Onchocerciasis (also known as River Blindness) among poverty-stricken populations throughout the tropics. Uses of donated ivermectin to tackle other so-called ‘neglected tropical diseases’ soon followed, while commercially available products were introduced for the treatment of other human diseases.

Many excellent, eloquent and comprehensive reviews covering the discovery, advent, development, manufacture and distribution of ivermectin have been published by those intimately involved with the various stages.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 It would be folly to replicate those here. Instead, it is the current status, beneficial global health impact and exciting future potential that ivermectin has to offer to human health worldwide that will be the focus of attention.

Today, ivermectin remains a relatively unknown drug, although few, if any, other drugs can rival ivermectin for its beneficial impact on human health and welfare. Ivermectin is a broad-spectrum anti-parasitic agent, primarily deployed to combat parasitic worms in veterinary and human medicine. This unprecedented compound has mainly been used in humans as an oral medication for treating filarial diseases but is also effective against other worm-related infections and diseases, plus several parasite-induced epidermal parasitic skin diseases, as well as insect infestations. It is approved for human use in several countries, ostensibly to treat Onchocerciasis, lymphatic filariasis (also known as Elephantiasis), strongyloidiasis and/or scabies and, very recently, to combat head lice. However, health workers are increasingly utilizing it in an unsanctioned manner to treat a diverse range of other diseases, as shown in Appendix 1.

The past: unmatched successes
Perhaps more than any other drug, ivermectin is a drug for the world’s poor. For most of this century, some 250 million people have been taking it annually to combat two of the world’s most devastating, disfiguring, debilitating and stigma-inducing diseases, Onchocerciasis and Lymphatic filariasis. Most of the recipients live in remote, rural, desperately under-resourced communities in developing countries and have virtually no access to even the most rudimentary of medical interventions. Moreover, all the treatments have been made available free of charge thanks to the unprecedented drug donation program.

When the avermectins were discovered, they represented a completely new class of compounds, 'endectocides', so designated because they killed a diverse range of disease-causing organisms—as well as pathogen vectors—inside as well as outside the body. The first publications on avermectin appeared in 1979, describing it as a complex mixture of 16-membered macrocyclic lactones produced by fermentation of the actinomycete Streptomyces avermitilis—later re-classified as S. avermectinius (Figure 2). The avermectin family displayed extraordinarily potent anthelmintic properties.15, 16, 17 Ivermectin is a safer, more potent semisynthetic mixture of two chemically modified avermectins, comprising 80% of 22,23-dihydroavermectin-B1a and 20% 22,23-dihydroavermectin-B1b (Figure 3).



As a further indication of the increasing attention being paid to ivermectin, in 2013, Chinese scientists applied for an international patent ‘Use of ivermectin and derivatives thereof’ (Publication No.: WO/2014/059797) for new uses in the ‘development and manufacture of medicaments for human use in treating metabolic related diseases, such as hyperglycemia, insulin resistance, hypertriglyceridemia, hypercholesterolemia, diabetes, obesity and so on, and Famesoid X receptor-mediated diseases, such as cholestasia, gallstones, non-alcohol fatty liver disease, atherosclerosis, inflammation and cancer’.

Essentially, a unique, multifaceted ‘wonder’ drug of the past and present may yet become an even more exceptional drug of the future.


Much more at link

fwiw, you can apparently buy this stuff on eBay, either as veterinary medicine or as pharmaceutical tablets from China.

I have ordered this for the hell of it:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kikiriki-60-pills-Dewormer-control-and-treatment-of-external-parasites/254512277504?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

My research says that each tablet contains:

500mcg Ivermectin

30mg Fenbendazol (dog dewormer that has gained a cult following as a human cancer bure)

50mg Praziquantel (another 'dewormer' that has been shown to be safe for humans)

I just figure it can't hurt to have some on hand...from what I gather these are relatively low concentrations of drugs shown to be safe for human consumption.
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Post#52 » by Parliament10 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 10:33 pm

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Post#53 » by K For Three » Sun Apr 5, 2020 12:20 am

Doctor in this video describes in graphic detail what happens to you if you catch this virus and why some are dying from it.

Warning, he doesn't hold back on graphic detail.

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Post#55 » by djFan71 » Sun Apr 5, 2020 1:56 am

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Trevor Noah had him on the other day talking about this. Pretty good interview, Trevor let him talk a lot longer than you normally see on other news shows.
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Post#56 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Sun Apr 5, 2020 3:28 am

Interesting article from an Australian perspective about the internals of our federal and state government response to this crisis if you’re interested:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/04/the-two-meetings-that-changed-the-trajectory-of-australias-coronavirus-response
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Post#57 » by return2glory » Sun Apr 5, 2020 5:28 am

Like everyone else, I hope scientists or researchers and/or doctors get a handle on this soon.
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Post#60 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Apr 5, 2020 10:06 am

Feb 4: 24,545 total cases
Mar 4: 95,314 total cases
Apr 4: 1,201,483 total cases

Are we peaking yet? :( When will we see this go down?

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