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2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#401 » by RHODEY » Fri Apr 3, 2020 10:41 pm

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malik959 wrote:6th Killian or Anthony
27th Cassius

Sounds good to me I'm down


What if Aaron Nesmith is still available at 27?


we have 38 too, maybe we get lucky and one of these dudes falls there


Tankathon current has Nesmith @20 but I've seen him as low as 15...so I don't think he drops that far. Right now assuming both are available I'm not sure I could pass Nesmith up at 27.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#402 » by KnicksGadfly » Sat Apr 4, 2020 12:14 am

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moocow007 wrote:Not sure if posted so posting. A guy that I really do like and think will do well in the right situation in the NBA.



His explosiveness is absolutely elite. He's super athletic (probably one of the best in college basketball), he's strong like a bull, very fluid with either hand around the basket (floaters, finger rolls, dunks), has a quick shot from 3, elite hang time to adjust his shot mid air, defends the passing lane very well, can hold his position inside on both sides of the ball, rebounds. He does things that you see only the top players in the NBA do.

There is a belief that had the NCAA season not been shutdown essentially he would have been a candidate to skyrocket up the draft boards come tournament time. As it is he probably won't be around by the Clippers pick. If he is, I'd be seriously looking at taking him. I'd also consider trading up a bit to get him if I'm not comfortable he'd be around at 27 or whatever.


This is an excellent find Moocow, the kid looks awesome.

Seem like the perennial potential steal pick normally made by a team like Toronto or Miami....


The Toronto and Miami guys are developed. Apparently the Knicks don't like to pay for development though
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#403 » by malik959 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 1:15 am

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malik959 wrote:6th Killian or Anthony
27th Cassius

Sounds good to me I'm down


What if Aaron Nesmith is still available at 27?

Than I'm hoping on Nesmith and running with it. I don't expect him to go passed 17 but if he does you grab him and pray Cassius drops.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#404 » by malik959 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 1:17 am

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that was his worst game but he played them again a few weeks later and had a triple double. he was getting better as the season progressed even after teams could game plan for him

i'm ready for showtime 8-)


Yet he still shot 1 for 11 from 3 that game, but I'm not going to take away from the point that he a good game, but your not getting my point. I've said it before he's a great passer, just like Frank is a great defender. But his flaws are just as great, if not worse, than the point guard we already have and should not be considered a top 5 pick. He can't shoot and he's very
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on defense. He's been like this sense being on film and it has not changed. His positional awareness on defense is worse than Knox, that's real bad. Just imagine having Calderon back on this team except without the 41% 3pt shooting.



If nothing else he’s 5 inches taller than Jose Calderon just by virtue of being 6’8 it will help especially when he starts to get stronger

It was a joke, but now that I really think about it he does remind me of a younger/longer Calderon
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#405 » by malik959 » Sat Apr 4, 2020 1:18 am

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RHODEY wrote:
malik959 wrote:6th Killian or Anthony
27th Cassius

Sounds good to me I'm down


What if Aaron Nesmith is still available at 27?


we have 38 too, maybe we get lucky and one of these dudes falls there

That would be a dream come true.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#406 » by newyorker4ever » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:21 pm

moocow007 wrote:Not sure if posted so posting. A guy that I really do like and think will do well in the right situation in the NBA.



His explosiveness is absolutely elite. He's super athletic (probably one of the best in college basketball), he's strong like a bull, very fluid with either hand around the basket (floaters, finger rolls, dunks), has a quick shot from 3, elite hang time to adjust his shot mid air, defends the passing lane very well, can hold his position inside on both sides of the ball, rebounds. He does things that you see only the top players in the NBA do.

There is a belief that had the NCAA season not been shutdown essentially he would have been a candidate to skyrocket up the draft boards come tournament time. As it is he probably won't be around by the Clippers pick. If he is, I'd be seriously looking at taking him. I'd also consider trading up a bit to get him if I'm not comfortable he'd be around at 27 or whatever.


I've seen him mocked to the Knicks with our 2nd round pick a couple of times.

A couple PG's that i'd like to take a shot on would be T.Jones with the Clippers pick and C.Winston with the Charlotte pick.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#407 » by newyorker4ever » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:24 pm

SARGO127 wrote:Lamelo is the pick if we are lucky.

Option B should be Haliburton.


If the season ends where it's at now i think we have like right around a 50% chance of landing the 8th or 9th spot in the draft and we're the Knicks so that's what i expect to happen, unless we somehow can get the 1985 luck.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#408 » by newyorker4ever » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:42 pm

HEZI wrote:There's nothing special about Stanley. I'd be careful hyping him up. He gives me Hamidou Diallo vibes.


Which is probably why he's going late 1st to early 2nd round in all the mock drafts.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#409 » by Fat » Sat Apr 4, 2020 6:06 pm

Devin vassell >>> Stanley

If theirs any shooting wing I’d like to see out their on the wing next to RJ it’s vasssell. I like him even more than nesmith
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#410 » by RHODEY » Sat Apr 4, 2020 7:02 pm

Naughtyfatboy wrote:Devin vassell >>> Stanley

If theirs any shooting wing I’d like to see out their on the wing next to RJ it’s vasssell. I like him even more than nesmith



Maybe - probably...but he's projected to go much sooner - ~the 12 th pick....
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#411 » by robillionaire » Sat Apr 4, 2020 8:08 pm

Naughtyfatboy wrote:Devin vassell >>> Stanley

If theirs any shooting wing I’d like to see out their on the wing next to RJ it’s vasssell. I like him even more than nesmith


vassell kind of reminds me of mikal bridges mold of player maybe with a better 3 ball, I was watching some footage the other day. unfortunately none of our picks should be in his range since he's projecting to be late lotto or mid 1st round
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#412 » by newyorker4ever » Sat Apr 4, 2020 9:44 pm

Naughtyfatboy wrote:Devin vassell >>> Stanley

If theirs any shooting wing I’d like to see out their on the wing next to RJ it’s vasssell. I like him even more than nesmith



Yeah but Stanley is being projected to go in the late 1st to early 2nd to where Vassell has made his way into the lottery in most mocks. Rather have Stanley with our Clippers or Charlotte pick over Vassell with our lottery pick.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#413 » by 8516knicks » Sun Apr 5, 2020 12:24 am

Vassell sounds great but I saw him listed #11 in a mock today!

But the guy from Charleston is still listed 2nd round and supposedly can get his own shot.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#414 » by knickstape4ever » Sun Apr 5, 2020 2:06 am

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/04/03/the-knicks-may-benefit-from-other-teams-facing-a-luxury-tax-crunch/#dd1d785328d6

Beer makes a great point that w/ the salary cap expected to be lower than originally projected, teams may be more likely to trade picks to avoid paying the luxury tax

It also would make sense that with no NCAA tournaments, possibly no combine or private workouts either, that teams would rather trade out of this draft

Knicks are in the unique position of being one of the few teams this offseason that can take on $ w/ pick(s) attached

Adding another 1st would be great; might be a weak draft towards the top, but I like the depth of the class; my personal favorites outside the lotto are: Saddiq Bey, Patrick Williams, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Kira Lewis Jr., Aaron Nesmith
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#415 » by Fat » Sun Apr 5, 2020 3:06 am

8516knicks wrote:Vassell sounds great but I saw him listed #11 in a mock today!

But the guy from Charleston is still listed 2nd round and supposedly can get his own shot.


I’ve seen him listed from teens to even second round in one mock but overall yeah he is probably a end of the lottery talent. Maybe even higher if a team is looking for aN immediate impact wing.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#416 » by Fat » Sun Apr 5, 2020 3:30 am

Hard to tell who will be their with the clippers pick @27.

I like Kira, Ramsey, nesmith, seddiq, Stanley, nwora, tre. Most guys people have been naming with Ramsey being my favorite if he’s there.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#417 » by blanko » Sun Apr 5, 2020 8:24 am

Just draft as many wings as possible and see who sticks

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#418 » by HighRyzer83 » Sun Apr 5, 2020 11:51 am

To me first pick is clear. it's Ball, Hayes, Cole in that order. The only monkey wrench is if we get a shot at Edwards.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#419 » by knickstape21 » Sun Apr 5, 2020 2:01 pm

Naughtyfatboy wrote:Hard to tell who will be their with the clippers pick @27.

I like Kira, Ramsey, nesmith, seddiq, Stanley, nwora, tre. Most guys people have been naming with Ramsey being my favorite if he’s there.


Ramsey won’t make it to 27 after workouts, unfortunately. One of the better shooters in the draft with an aggressive defensive mentality. Philly snags him in low 20’s.

Would love to have him.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#420 » by robillionaire » Sun Apr 5, 2020 2:15 pm

HighRyzer83 wrote:To me first pick is clear. it's Ball, Hayes, Cole in that order. The only monkey wrench is if we get a shot at Edwards.


I pretty much agree with that

as far as edwards goes I would take ball over edwards and wouldn't look back (would take ball 1st overall) I would take edwards over cole. edwards vs hayes is a tough one I think ultimately I'd go with edwards instead of trying to get too cute with it

so I guess my knicks board would look like

1. ball
2a. edwards
2b. hayes
3. cole

to get the first 3 we will pretty much have to win the lottery unless we get extremely lucky with the draft order and hayes falls to 7th or 8th in which case I'd jump at the opportunity. But unfortunately I suspect the Knicks might select Cole over Hayes regardless. Just speculating

Not too much of a point in stressing over it until the lottery has happened and then at that point it should be a lot more clear to us. Also if we have an opportunity to move up a few spots from 7th or 8th to select ball at 3-5 I would trade assets

I'm not too high on haliburton, I think if that's the skill set we want for our PG we should just commit to developing frank ntilikina at PG instead who I believe has a similar defensive oriented skill set and draft another position like toppin avdija okongwu hampton. then in that case perhaps look at backup caliber PGs at 27th maybe you get lucky and tre jones or theo maledon or one of those sleeper guards falls there. Also could be the plan if we took edwards

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