OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[PlayerUp]

Trump has mismanaged this in so many ways

It's always Trumps fault aye?

You cannot blame one person for this problem. Sure he could have done things differently but the same applies for everyone. Literally the entire government both state and federal failed to prepare themselves for this and here we are today. Still even so the government isn't fully to blame either. People need to change and adjust and instead you have kids licking toilets for tiktok views.

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/social/coronavirus-challenge-on-tiktok-video-maker-infected-after-licking-public-toilet-seat/articleshow/74839622.cms
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/doctor-warns-innocent-people-will-die-coronavirus-challenge__trashed-12450472/

This virus will get under control when a certain % of stubborn americans start taking it more seriously and that requires a group effort from all ages. The government can only do so much and I cannot directly blame anyone for this problem.

[dice]

Trump has mismanaged this in so many ways

It's always Trumps fault aye?

nope. just oftentimes. way more than most responsible public officials

You cannot blame one person for this problem.

nobody is

[TheStig]

donald trump is the only president in the history of the nation that i can think of that has blatantly run for personal financial benefit (other than the ego component, which certainly has played a part in a lot of them choosing the path that they did). which is not to say that many presidents haven't financially benefited as a byproduct of their presidency. you'd have to try pretty hard NOT to benefit financially from it, frankly...ironically, trump could have been one of them had he actually divested from his financial interests as prior presidents have done

To be fair, they all do it and enrich themselves. The Clinton's left the white house nearly broke and emerged worth over 100 million two decades later despite mainly running a foundation.

Most however are more tactful and not as distasteful about it like charging the SS exorbinate rates for their hotels and food or letting foreign countries book whole empty floors at his hotel.

I don't think anyone runs for president to get rich. Some may do it because they crave the power and spotlight and to satisfy their egos (Trump), others genuinely want to make a difference. For most it's probably a combination of the two. It does seem to make you rich as a by product, although I think that only really started with Clinton or Reagan. I don't think Jimmy Carter or Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon or many before that really made the kind of money after leaving office that Clinton has, and everyone after him. I could be wrong about that though.

Yes, I agree, that's where it started but we've had several presidents since. So now it's a proven fact.

[Dresden]

Trump has mismanaged this in so many ways

It's always Trumps fault aye?

You cannot blame one person for this problem. Sure he could have done things differently but the same applies for everyone. Literally the entire government both state and federal failed to prepare themselves for this and here we are today. Still even so the government isn't fully to blame either. People need to change and adjust and instead you have kids licking toilets for tiktok views.

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/social/coronavirus-challenge-on-tiktok-video-maker-infected-after-licking-public-toilet-seat/articleshow/74839622.cms
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/doctor-warns-innocent-people-will-die-coronavirus-challenge__trashed-12450472/

This virus will get under control when a certain % of stubborn americans start taking it more seriously and that requires a group effort from all ages. The government can only do so much and I cannot directly blame anyone for this problem.

The blame lies in the federal govt. not be prepared for this. They were warned several times in the Trump admin that a pandemic like this was possible, and their response was to cut funding for our office of infectious disease prevention in China, and to disband an agency within the CDC that focused on pandemics. So yes, you can blame them for taking those decisions.

They also did not prepare even when they knew this would be a big deal, in early January. They should have been stockpiling supplies then, and ordering more ventilators to be made and masks and gowns. Instead, our president was telling us not to worry, the US would not be affected- you can look up the various quotes by Trump where he downplayed how serious this would be.

That lack of preparation is costing us now. We have the most cases in the world, and we have yet to flatten the curve much at all. So yes, you can directly blame our federal govt's response in this. States don't have near the budget or purchasing power or other kinds of power that the federal govt has. To put this on the states is unprecedented. I cannot recall another instance where the president has ever blamed the states for a national disaster. What Trump is doing is a first.

[Jimako10]

Trump has mismanaged this in so many ways

It's always Trumps fault aye?

You cannot blame one person for this problem. Sure he could have done things differently but the same applies for everyone. Literally the entire government both state and federal failed to prepare themselves for this and here we are today. Still even so the government isn't fully to blame either. People need to change and adjust and instead you have kids licking toilets for tiktok views.

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/social/coronavirus-challenge-on-tiktok-video-maker-infected-after-licking-public-toilet-seat/articleshow/74839622.cms
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/doctor-warns-innocent-people-will-die-coronavirus-challenge__trashed-12450472/

This virus will get under control when a certain % of stubborn americans start taking it more seriously and that requires a group effort from all ages. The government can only do so much and I cannot directly blame anyone for this problem.

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

[dice]

Trump has mismanaged this in so many ways

It's always Trumps fault aye?

You cannot blame one person for this problem. Sure he could have done things differently but the same applies for everyone. Literally the entire government both state and federal failed to prepare themselves for this and here we are today. Still even so the government isn't fully to blame either. People need to change and adjust and instead you have kids licking toilets for tiktok views.

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/social/coronavirus-challenge-on-tiktok-video-maker-infected-after-licking-public-toilet-seat/articleshow/74839622.cms
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/doctor-warns-innocent-people-will-die-coronavirus-challenge__trashed-12450472/

This virus will get under control when a certain % of stubborn americans start taking it more seriously and that requires a group effort from all ages. The government can only do so much and I cannot directly blame anyone for this problem.

The blame lies in the federal govt. not be prepared for this. They were warned several times in the Trump admin that a pandemic like this was possible, and their response was to cut funding for our office of infectious disease prevention in China, and to disband an agency within the CDC that focused on pandemics. So yes, you can blame them for taking those decisions.

They also did not prepare even when they knew this would be a big deal, in early January. They should have been stockpiling supplies then, and ordering more ventilators to be made and masks and gowns. Instead, our president was telling us not to worry, the US would not be affected- you can look up the various quotes by Trump where he downplayed how serious this would be.

That lack of preparation is costing us now. We have the most cases in the world, and we have yet to flatten the curve much at all. So yes, you can directly blame our federal govt's response in this. States don't have near the budget or purchasing power or other kinds of power that the federal govt has. To put this on the states is unprecedented. I cannot recall another instance where the president has ever blamed the states for a national disaster. What Trump is doing is a first.

to be fair, the CDC screwing up the first round of test kits was a big part of the mess we're in. and i'd be very surprised if trump had anything to do with that

[Jimako10]

It's always Trumps fault aye?

You cannot blame one person for this problem. Sure he could have done things differently but the same applies for everyone. Literally the entire government both state and federal failed to prepare themselves for this and here we are today. Still even so the government isn't fully to blame either. People need to change and adjust and instead you have kids licking toilets for tiktok views.

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/social/coronavirus-challenge-on-tiktok-video-maker-infected-after-licking-public-toilet-seat/articleshow/74839622.cms
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/doctor-warns-innocent-people-will-die-coronavirus-challenge__trashed-12450472/

This virus will get under control when a certain % of stubborn americans start taking it more seriously and that requires a group effort from all ages. The government can only do so much and I cannot directly blame anyone for this problem.

The blame lies in the federal govt. not be prepared for this. They were warned several times in the Trump admin that a pandemic like this was possible, and their response was to cut funding for our office of infectious disease prevention in China, and to disband an agency within the CDC that focused on pandemics. So yes, you can blame them for taking those decisions.

They also did not prepare even when they knew this would be a big deal, in early January. They should have been stockpiling supplies then, and ordering more ventilators to be made and masks and gowns. Instead, our president was telling us not to worry, the US would not be affected- you can look up the various quotes by Trump where he downplayed how serious this would be.

That lack of preparation is costing us now. We have the most cases in the world, and we have yet to flatten the curve much at all. So yes, you can directly blame our federal govt's response in this. States don't have near the budget or purchasing power or other kinds of power that the federal govt has. To put this on the states is unprecedented. I cannot recall another instance where the president has ever blamed the states for a national disaster. What Trump is doing is a first.

to be fair, the CDC screwing up the first round of test kits was a big part of the mess we're in. and i'd be very surprised if trump had anything to do with that

CDC/FDA also screwed up by not allowing other labs to make their own tests until March. Like why the hell not? They wasted an entire month.

[PlayerUp]

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

What did you expect him to say in February? We're all going to die? Of course he could have handled this better but it's clear he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

[PlayerUp]

The blame lies in the federal govt. not be prepared for this.

That lack of preparation is costing us now. We have the most cases in the world, and we have yet to flatten the curve much at all. So yes, you can directly blame our federal govt's response in this. States don't have near the budget or purchasing power or other kinds of power that the federal govt has. To put this on the states is unprecedented

I don't have time to debate this sadly I have work to do, however everything you said for the most part I agree with but adding to that:

What were they doing in December/January/Early February?
Dealing with impeachment hearings instead of taking this virus seriously.

What were they doing post impeachment hearings?
Still not taking it seriously allowing the virus to sneak in and start this mass infection.

Overall I am just tired of this blame game. All they're doing now is bickering back and forth. The only one they should be putting blame on is themselves for not putting more effort into helping the people they represent.

[dice]

The blame lies in the federal govt. not be prepared for this. They were warned several times in the Trump admin that a pandemic like this was possible, and their response was to cut funding for our office of infectious disease prevention in China, and to disband an agency within the CDC that focused on pandemics. So yes, you can blame them for taking those decisions.

They also did not prepare even when they knew this would be a big deal, in early January. They should have been stockpiling supplies then, and ordering more ventilators to be made and masks and gowns. Instead, our president was telling us not to worry, the US would not be affected- you can look up the various quotes by Trump where he downplayed how serious this would be.

That lack of preparation is costing us now. We have the most cases in the world, and we have yet to flatten the curve much at all. So yes, you can directly blame our federal govt's response in this. States don't have near the budget or purchasing power or other kinds of power that the federal govt has. To put this on the states is unprecedented. I cannot recall another instance where the president has ever blamed the states for a national disaster. What Trump is doing is a first.

to be fair, the CDC screwing up the first round of test kits was a big part of the mess we're in. and i'd be very surprised if trump had anything to do with that

CDC/FDA also screwed up by not allowing other labs to make their own tests until March. Like why the hell not? They wasted an entire month.

lots of red tape in the approval process

[Wingy]

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

What did you expect him to say in February? We're all going to die? Of course he could have handled this better but it's clear he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

Isn’t that the point though? Hope isn’t a plan, or a strategy. There were plenty of ways to show, and follow prudence, w/o panic.

Yes, I agree- the constant Trump promotion...errr...complaining by super liberals is tiresome. Those people are inadvertently some of his biggest supporters IMO.

[dice]

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

What did you expect him to say in February?

same thing all the responsible world leaders were saying: the truth

he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

and his insistence that everything would be fine has contributed to people not taking it seriously, thus worsening the epidemic

What were they doing in December/January/Early February?
Dealing with impeachment hearings instead of taking this virus seriously.

this argument is a complete and utter joke

1) congresspeople can walk and chew gum at the same time...with the possible exception of this guy:



2) the senate impeachment hearings were a farce
3) COVID-19 was not a significant issue in the US during the impeachment trial. when it ENDED there were a grand total of 11 reported COVID-19 infections in the country
4) is the impeachment of a president supposed to be postponed during a pandemic or something?
5) CONGRESS HAS LITTLE POWER TO SLOW THE SPREAD OF A PANDEMIC ONCE UNDERWAY! it is the "deep state" science people that are supposed to be preparing us for these situations. and trump fired obama's pandemic response team in 2018 to save a few bucks

[Jimako10]

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

What did you expect him to say in February? We're all going to die? Of course he could have handled this better but it's clear he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

I would have expected him to take the threat seriously, which he clearly didn't.

[dice]

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

What did you expect him to say in February? We're all going to die? Of course he could have handled this better but it's clear he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

Isn’t that the point though? Hope isn’t a plan, or a strategy. There were plenty of ways to show, and follow prudence, w/o panic.

Yes, I agree- the constant Trump promotion...errr...complaining by super liberals is tiresome. Those people are inadvertently some of his biggest supporters IMO.

the majority of the country doesn't care for trump. and the majority of people in the right-of-center USA are far from "super liberal." they are, however, anti-incompetence

[Wingy]

What did you expect him to say in February? We're all going to die? Of course he could have handled this better but it's clear he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

Isn’t that the point though? Hope isn’t a plan, or a strategy. There were plenty of ways to show, and follow prudence, w/o panic.

Yes, I agree- the constant Trump promotion...errr...complaining by super liberals is tiresome. Those people are inadvertently some of his biggest supporters IMO.

the majority of the country doesn't care for trump. and the majority of people in the right-of-center USA are far from "super liberal." they are, however, anti-incompetence

Choir. I’m probably wrong to call out one particular part of the political spectrum, but what I said remains.

The constant attention is what created him in the first place, and it (esp the negative) continues to ingratiate him to his fanatics to this day. Corona’s just a continuation of it.

Like self-isolation, I’m gonna self-moderation as this is getting too close to general politics. Is that still backseat moderating?

[dice]

apparently over 70% of the COVID-19 deaths in the city of chicago are african americans. presumably a combination of bad information in the community and inferior health care options

also, the president has said that VP pence had a "perfect" conference call with the 50 state governors today regarding COVID. only a matter of time before a whistleblower comes forward?

[WindyCityBorn]

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

What did you expect him to say in February? We're all going to die? Of course he could have handled this better but it's clear he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

Pathetic display of leadership by him waiting until the **** was about to hit the fan to stop pretending it was a joke. Republicans in general including the media aided him. Fox News should be sued into the ground. The country should have been locked down months ago.

[Chi town]

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

What did you expect him to say in February? We're all going to die? Of course he could have handled this better but it's clear he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

Pathetic display of leadership by him waiting until the **** was about to hit the fan to stop pretending it was a joke. Republicans in general including the media aided him. Fox News should be sued into the ground. The country should have been locked down months ago.

I agree that Trump made a major mistake by underestimating it to keep the economy strong to get re-elected. Most likely this will cost him reelection.

Governors and city officials had info that they didn’t move on either. I know for a fact SF city leadership knew early like Trump and didn’t do anything. Yes Our President should lead the charge but state leaders didn’t do a damn thing until it was too late. This is partly because as a country we have never had something like this happen hence “this won’t happen to us.” South Korea has done the best because they are the most prepared through experience.

No one knows what they are doing right now from top to bottom. Face masks were discouraged... “you’ll touch your mask, then your face, and then get it.” Now everyone needs to wear a mask outside of their home. Went on a walk tonight in my hood here in SF -saw over 50 people including kids... everyone had a mask on.

Poor. Leadership. BTW the CDC was the ones saying not to wear masks.

[Ccwatercraft]

My whole point was- and I know this is probably off topic- we make it too damn difficult to be elected president in this country, and that discourages many good people from running. All the fund raising you have to do, the massive organization you have to create and direct, the endless rounds of campaign rallies, fund raising events, etc. that you have to undertake for about a full year, the mud slinging that goes on, it makes sense why a guy like Bill Gates would just say "no thanks, I don't need that".

Maybe if we made some sensible reforms- limit the campaign season, limit the amount of money you can spend, give free and equal air time to all candidates- then we might get better candidates.

the dems had how many candidates this year, 22? And the Powers that he wanted Biden

that's blatantly false. as evidenced by his poor fundraising. the party coalesced around biden only after it was down to him and bernie

the voters wanted Biden, the other candidates (most) endorsed Biden.

the voters clearly wanted biden. and the reason is pretty obvious: the obama connection. the black vote went very heavily to biden for that reason. just as it went heavily to clinton last time around. and that became evident at about the same time the other candidates threw their support to biden

Yes, Joe Biden, who has great ideas on how to solve the Lohan Virus

wtf does "lohan virus" even refer to? lindsay lohan? that's neither clever, nor does it make any sense

Be thankful you have Trump, hes sober and awake and hes thriving in this environment.

boy do i hope that's sarcasm. because it couldn't be farther from the truth

lohan virus is what joe calls it, and no it doesnt make sense because hes mentally gone, toast. Biden is half a step away from assisted living.

I voted against trump in the primary and the general, but I'm willing to admit that I was wrong, hes the right man for the job right here right now.

Hillary? She cant handle the pressure of a pandemic, she couldnt even finish her dam campaign.

Biden? give me a break, he was a favorite of mine when the primaries started but once he started talking I quickly realized he was about the 15th best candidate. and that's being nice.

[JordansBulls]

the dems had how many candidates this year, 22? And the Powers that he wanted Biden

that's blatantly false. as evidenced by his poor fundraising. the party coalesced around biden only after it was down to him and bernie

the voters wanted Biden, the other candidates (most) endorsed Biden.

the voters clearly wanted biden. and the reason is pretty obvious: the obama connection. the black vote went very heavily to biden for that reason. just as it went heavily to clinton last time around. and that became evident at about the same time the other candidates threw their support to biden

Yes, Joe Biden, who has great ideas on how to solve the Lohan Virus

wtf does "lohan virus" even refer to? lindsay lohan? that's neither clever, nor does it make any sense

Be thankful you have Trump, hes sober and awake and hes thriving in this environment.

boy do i hope that's sarcasm. because it couldn't be farther from the truth

lohan virus is what joe calls it, and no it doesnt make sense because hes mentally gone, toast. Biden is half a step away from assisted living.

I voted against trump in the primary and the general, but I'm willing to admit that I was wrong, hes the right man for the job right here right now.

Hillary? She cant handle the pressure of a pandemic, she couldnt even finish her dam campaign.

Biden? give me a break, he was a favorite of mine when the primaries started but once he started talking I quickly realized he was about the 15th best candidate. and that's being nice.

Obama and Bill Clinton were only ones who could deal with this epidemic in the last 40 years as presidents.