Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 2

[Parliament10]

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[SuperDeluxe]

Pretty sure it does kill SARS-Cov-2

https://www.monash.edu/news/articles/coronavirus-fight-possible-covid-19-drug-identified-by-scientists

Yes, but it hasn't been shown to kill Covid-19. The Covid-19 part is speculation.

SARS-Cov-2 is actually the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

[threrf23]

Pretty sure it does kill SARS-Cov-2

https://www.monash.edu/news/articles/coronavirus-fight-possible-covid-19-drug-identified-by-scientists

Yes, but it hasn't been shown to kill Covid-19. The Covid-19 part is speculation.

SARS-Cov-2 is actually the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

Thanks for the clarification. I was confusing it with SARS-CoV, which causes SARS (but I thought it was SARS, but it isn't).

Similarly, Google tells me COVID-19 is a disease that is caused by a virus, but is not actually a virus itself. I had no clue.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Yes, but it hasn't been shown to kill Covid-19. The Covid-19 part is speculation.

SARS-Cov-2 is actually the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

Thanks for the clarification. I was confusing it with SARS-CoV, which causes SARS (but I thought it was SARS, but it isn't).

Similarly, Google tells me COVID-19 is a disease that is caused by a virus, but is not actually a virus itself. I had no clue.

Google in this case is correct. But maybe you needed better search parameters if it didn't tell you SARS-Cov-2 specifically.

[Slax]

I have purchased this, and should be receiving it on Thursday. Not that I want liability if anyone follows my advice, but I suspect that this stuff can help quite a bit against COVID and I would take it as a last resort if I was vulnerable and developed symptoms. I am going to start taking a small dosage even though I don't have symptoms, and will update to let you guys know that it didn't kill me (unless it does kill me, of course).

Man be careful about taking animal meds. They're not as well regulated as human medicines, and aren't tailored to human safety. A few people have already died taking a fish medication containing chloroquine. I would probably pass on taking animal meds as prophylactics and instead just practice social distancing as much as possible.

[threrf23]

A few people have already died taking a fish medication containing chloroquine.

It was a fish tank cleaner, though. Not a medication.

I would probably pass on taking animal meds as prophylactics and instead just practice social distancing as much as possible.

I am stubborn, but appreciate your intent nonetheless. I have taken various antibiotics labeled for vet use over the years, never a problem. It is usually the same stuff you would get at a pharmacy.

I'm also not worried about catching a coronavirus. I'm not in a hard hit area, I've been keeping space from other folk, and I'm healthy with no preexisting conditions. I'm just intrigued by what I've read about the ingredients here (Ivermectin, Fenbendazol, Praziquantel), I kind of just want to see if any minor health issues magically vanish, and if not I'd like to have some on hand "just in case."

[Slax]

A few people have already died taking a fish medication containing chloroquine.

It was a fish tank cleaner, though. Not a medication.

I would probably pass on taking animal meds as prophylactics and instead just practice social distancing as much as possible.

I am stubborn, but appreciate your intent nonetheless. I have taken various antibiotics labeled for vet use over the years, never a problem. It is usually the same stuff you would get at a pharmacy.

I'm also not worried about catching a coronavirus. I'm not in a hard hit area, I've been keeping space from other folk, and I'm healthy with no preexisting conditions. I'm just intrigued by what I've read about the ingredients here (Ivermectin, Fenbendazol, Praziquantel), I kind of just want to see if any minor health issues magically vanish, and if not I'd like to have some on hand "just in case."

If I can't stop you, I can't stop you. I'm just nervous after hearing multiple hospitalizations and deaths from people taking chloroquine without dr supervision. Don't want anything to happen to you.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Seems like there's a ton of potential in cellphone location data for mapping transmission.. but there are privacy issues, past that, maybe litigation issues.. and South Korea initially set up a website where you could see anonymized travel patterns for infected people and check whether you crossed paths, but then users started sherlocking who had been infected and mobbing them online..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Weird time.. either deaths are starting to slow down and distancing is working or the hurricane is going to hit..

[K For Three]

A few people have already died taking a fish medication containing chloroquine.

It was a fish tank cleaner, though. Not a medication.

I would probably pass on taking animal meds as prophylactics and instead just practice social distancing as much as possible.

I am stubborn, but appreciate your intent nonetheless. I have taken various antibiotics labeled for vet use over the years, never a problem. It is usually the same stuff you would get at a pharmacy.

I'm also not worried about catching a coronavirus. I'm not in a hard hit area, I've been keeping space from other folk, and I'm healthy with no preexisting conditions. I'm just intrigued by what I've read about the ingredients here (Ivermectin, Fenbendazol, Praziquantel), I kind of just want to see if any minor health issues magically vanish, and if not I'd like to have some on hand "just in case."

Please be careful.

I am hearing so much about various drugs being used now to treat this I think it might start confusing the public and making them worry about taking things as a preventative.

Think I will just stick to the zinc/vitamin C with a vitamin D chaser combo though for now.

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Really hope he survives this.

[K For Three]

Weird time.. either deaths are starting to slow down and distancing is working or the hurricane is going to hit..

Social distancing for the people doing it IS working.

And lets hope NYC and New Orleans can catch a break and it flattens more.

I have doubts though so I think in April it's still worth being extremely cautious.

I do have worries at times that in some parts of the country there is not enough testing being done and a lot of silent carriers but thats beyond our control.

Really wish they had a faster easier test available outside of the "stick the swab into the brain" and wait a week thing.

[threrf23]

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.

Hydroxychloroquine has been touted as a possible treatment for COVID-19 by President Trump among others, but it remains controversial as some experts believe it is unproven and may not be effective.

The drug has long been used for treatment of malaria and conditions such as lupus and arthritis but is not technically approved by the FDA for COVID-19. The agency, however, is encouraging trials and has provided limited emergency authorization for its use to treat COVID-19 patients.

Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

Cardillo is the CEO of Mend Urgent Care, which has locations in Sherman Oaks, Van Nuys and Burbank.

He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.

https://abc7.com/health/la-doctor-seeing-success-with-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19/6079864/

[Pacino62]

Weird time.. either deaths are starting to slow down and distancing is working or the hurricane is going to hit..

Social distancing for the people doing it IS working.

And lets hope NYC and New Orleans can catch a break and it flattens more.

I have doubts though so I think in April it's still worth being extremely cautious.

I do have worries at times that in some parts of the country there is not enough testing being done and a lot of silent carriers but thats beyond our control.

Really wish they had a faster easier test available outside of the "stick the swab into the brain" and wait a week thing.

As for faster testing. It’s here. In R.I., as of today, CVS will be doing 1000 tests per day in the Twin River parking lot by appointment only (if you have symptoms). The results will be given to you on the spot in 15 minutes. I may have been mistaken on this next bit of info, but I could have sworn they said Baker was going to have this type of testing in Massachusetts as well. Please don’t write that last part down as fact. Lol. But the first Part is definitely a fact.

[Gant]

Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes Suggests City Is Undercounting Coronavirus Fatalities

As of Monday afternoon, 2,738 New York City residents have died from ‘confirmed’ cases of COVID-19, according to the city Department of Health. That’s an average of 245 a day since the previous Monday.

But another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.

That’s because the ME’s office is not testing dead bodies for COVID-19. Instead, they’re referring suspected cases to the city’s health department as “probable.”

https://gothamist.com/news/surge-number-new-yorkers-dying-home-officials-suspect-undercount-covid-19-related-deaths

[sam_I_am]

103 years ago an influenza epidemic killed millions. 103 years later if you get sick from the flu, we got nothing from pharmaceuticals to help. None of the antivirals do anything. So spreading false hope about all these HIV drugs or anti-malarials is really unjustified. It would be great if something out there helps but realistically it’s going to take the development of a vaccine or hopefully it just runs out of gas like the flu does every year.

[jeremym480]

The drug has long been used for treatment of malaria and conditions such as lupus and arthritis but is not technically approved by the FDA for COVID-19. The agency, however, is encouraging trials and has provided limited emergency authorization for its use to treat COVID-19 patients.

Maybe this has been answered and I just haven't heard it but one thing that I've been wondering about is has anyone who was taking Hydroxychloroquine prior to this outbreak ended up with Coronavirus? I mean, I would imagine there has to be a decent amount of people already taking it since it's be around for like 60 years. If it's possible then maybe someone do a study of those people since they don't really have time to do an actual large scale clinical trial.

[Slax]

The drug has long been used for treatment of malaria and conditions such as lupus and arthritis but is not technically approved by the FDA for COVID-19. The agency, however, is encouraging trials and has provided limited emergency authorization for its use to treat COVID-19 patients.

Maybe this has been answered and I just haven't heard it but one thing that I've been wondering about is has anyone who was taking Hydroxychloroquine prior to this outbreak ended up with Coronavirus? I mean, I would imagine there has to be a decent amount of people already taking it since it's be around for like 60 years. If it's possible then maybe someone do a study of those people since they don't really have time to do an actual large scale clinical trial.

The answer is that there are people with lupus taking hydroxychloroquine who are contracting COVID-19, see eg https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-false-coronavirus-claim-about-lupus-patients/. That isn't surprising to me, because even if hydroxychloroquine is effective prophylaxis (and it might be!), you would still expect SOME people who take it to still contract the disease, especially among those with preexisting autoimmune disorders. Way too early to tell.

[Slax]

Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes Suggests City Is Undercounting Coronavirus Fatalities

As of Monday afternoon, 2,738 New York City residents have died from ‘confirmed’ cases of COVID-19, according to the city Department of Health. That’s an average of 245 a day since the previous Monday.

But another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.

That’s because the ME’s office is not testing dead bodies for COVID-19. Instead, they’re referring suspected cases to the city’s health department as “probable.”

https://gothamist.com/news/surge-number-new-yorkers-dying-home-officials-suspect-undercount-covid-19-related-deaths

That wouldn't surprise me at all. The same thing was happening in Italy - the real death count is allegedly much higher than the official one. The curve appears to be flattening so hopefully we will be over the hump soon, but the present is really grim and a lot of people are dying. My wife says her hospital is seeing a patient dying about once an hour.

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