OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[Chewie]

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Am I understanding this correctly?

The Federal government is bidding on large supplies of masks, and then supplying them to retailers to sell at whatever price they please to the states? This, after Trump said "states are on their own." ???

Are they are creating 'middle men' for a chain of profit shares during a national shortage and crisis?

I don't see how this isn't the top, or at least one of the top stories. What in the all actual @#$%! ?!?!?

What's awful is that it depends on what state you live in and it gets partisan. Florida Gov Ron Desantis has towed the Trump line during this crisis and has a good relationship with him and as such FL is getting 100% of what they have requested or a greater proportion of its request than other states from the public stock pile. As a Floridian, good for me....as an American I hate it. Of course it shouldn't work this way.

[TheStig]

that's blatantly false. as evidenced by his poor fundraising. the party coalesced around biden only after it was down to him and bernie


the voters clearly wanted biden. and the reason is pretty obvious: the obama connection. the black vote went very heavily to biden for that reason. just as it went heavily to clinton last time around. and that became evident at about the same time the other candidates threw their support to biden


wtf does "lohan virus" even refer to? lindsay lohan? that's neither clever, nor does it make any sense


boy do i hope that's sarcasm. because it couldn't be farther from the truth

lohan virus is what joe calls it, and no it doesnt make sense because hes mentally gone, toast. Biden is half a step away from assisted living.

I voted against trump in the primary and the general, but I'm willing to admit that I was wrong, hes the right man for the job right here right now.

Hillary? She cant handle the pressure of a pandemic, she couldnt even finish her dam campaign.

Biden? give me a break, he was a favorite of mine when the primaries started but once he started talking I quickly realized he was about the 15th best candidate. and that's being nice.

Obama and Bill Clinton were only ones who could deal with this epidemic in the last 40 years as presidents.

Yes, I'm sure if it was a democrat in office, the virus and republican senate would both fall in line.

[dice]

the dems had how many candidates this year, 22? And the Powers that he wanted Biden

that's blatantly false. as evidenced by his poor fundraising. the party coalesced around biden only after it was down to him and bernie

the voters wanted Biden, the other candidates (most) endorsed Biden.

the voters clearly wanted biden. and the reason is pretty obvious: the obama connection. the black vote went very heavily to biden for that reason. just as it went heavily to clinton last time around. and that became evident at about the same time the other candidates threw their support to biden

Yes, Joe Biden, who has great ideas on how to solve the Lohan Virus

wtf does "lohan virus" even refer to? lindsay lohan? that's neither clever, nor does it make any sense

Be thankful you have Trump, hes sober and awake and hes thriving in this environment.

boy do i hope that's sarcasm. because it couldn't be farther from the truth

lohan virus is what joe calls it, and no it doesnt make sense because hes mentally gone, toast. Biden is half a step away from assisted living.

he actually called it 'luhan' instead of 'wuhan.' which i think any reasonable person would agree is hardly a sign of mental incompetence, particularly given that none of us had ever heard of wuhan, china prior to COVID-19. anyone who can't distinguish 'luhan' from 'lohan' is themselves worth of mental examination. loo-hahn and low-hann don't sound anything alike

I voted against trump in the primary and the general, but I'm willing to admit that I was wrong, hes the right man for the job right here right now.

have you been paying attention to the news like, at all during this pandemic? or even read this thread? trump is in WAY over his head. astonishing incompetence. one screw up after another. from prior post:



right man for the job, eh? WOW

Hillary? She cant handle the pressure of a pandemic, she couldnt even finish her dam campaign.

you're parroting alt-right conspiracy theories. her health was never an issue but for one incident during the campaign when she was battling a virus:

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/295393-yes-hillary-almost-fainted-im-a-doctor-and-its

hell, she sat and answered questions for ELEVEN HOURS in one day during the sham behghazi hearing. she has twice the stamina of donald trump, who spends half of his day in "executive time":

"he spends his mornings in the residence, watching TV, reading the papers, and responding to what he sees and reads by phoning aides, members of Congress, friends, administration officials and informal advisers."

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-private-schedules-leak-executive-time-34e67fbb-3af6-48df-aefb-52e02c334255.html

Biden? give me a break, he was a favorite of mine when the primaries started but once he started talking I quickly realized he was about the 15th best candidate. and that's being nice.

you seriously hadn't heard biden talk prior to recently? he's been a gaffe machine for decades

for that matter, have you ever heard donald trump speak? he was practically falling asleep during his oval office coronavirus address, for starters

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can you imagine if hillary had done any of this?

Watch on YouTube

[Dresden]

It's always Trumps fault aye?

You cannot blame one person for this problem. Sure he could have done things differently but the same applies for everyone. Literally the entire government both state and federal failed to prepare themselves for this and here we are today. Still even so the government isn't fully to blame either. People need to change and adjust and instead you have kids licking toilets for tiktok views.

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/social/coronavirus-challenge-on-tiktok-video-maker-infected-after-licking-public-toilet-seat/articleshow/74839622.cms
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/doctor-warns-innocent-people-will-die-coronavirus-challenge__trashed-12450472/

This virus will get under control when a certain % of stubborn americans start taking it more seriously and that requires a group effort from all ages. The government can only do so much and I cannot directly blame anyone for this problem.

The blame lies in the federal govt. not be prepared for this. They were warned several times in the Trump admin that a pandemic like this was possible, and their response was to cut funding for our office of infectious disease prevention in China, and to disband an agency within the CDC that focused on pandemics. So yes, you can blame them for taking those decisions.

They also did not prepare even when they knew this would be a big deal, in early January. They should have been stockpiling supplies then, and ordering more ventilators to be made and masks and gowns. Instead, our president was telling us not to worry, the US would not be affected- you can look up the various quotes by Trump where he downplayed how serious this would be.

That lack of preparation is costing us now. We have the most cases in the world, and we have yet to flatten the curve much at all. So yes, you can directly blame our federal govt's response in this. States don't have near the budget or purchasing power or other kinds of power that the federal govt has. To put this on the states is unprecedented. I cannot recall another instance where the president has ever blamed the states for a national disaster. What Trump is doing is a first.

to be fair, the CDC screwing up the first round of test kits was a big part of the mess we're in. and i'd be very surprised if trump had anything to do with that

Even if those tests had worked, they still were far, far short of the amount we needed. So that failure by itself was not a major reason why we were so far behind. If it had been 3 million tests that were faulty, then that would have been a big deal. But this was a few thousand, and they were still able to use most of them, from what I understand, by not using the third sequence on them. Why weren't more tests made available much sooner? And we still don't have nearly as many as we need.

[Dresden]

The only thing that was stubborn during this whole ordeal was Trump's insistence that everything was perfectly fine...... until it wasn't.

What did you expect him to say in February? We're all going to die? Of course he could have handled this better but it's clear he did that to prevent a mass panic hoping the virus would just go away and the markets would stay strong. That didn't happen.

He could have not been holding campaign rallies. He could have been telling us the truth, and that we should maybe start taking precautions. And most of all, he could have ordered the production of ventilators, test kits, and masks.

[dice]

The blame lies in the federal govt. not be prepared for this. They were warned several times in the Trump admin that a pandemic like this was possible, and their response was to cut funding for our office of infectious disease prevention in China, and to disband an agency within the CDC that focused on pandemics. So yes, you can blame them for taking those decisions.

They also did not prepare even when they knew this would be a big deal, in early January. They should have been stockpiling supplies then, and ordering more ventilators to be made and masks and gowns. Instead, our president was telling us not to worry, the US would not be affected- you can look up the various quotes by Trump where he downplayed how serious this would be.

That lack of preparation is costing us now. We have the most cases in the world, and we have yet to flatten the curve much at all. So yes, you can directly blame our federal govt's response in this. States don't have near the budget or purchasing power or other kinds of power that the federal govt has. To put this on the states is unprecedented. I cannot recall another instance where the president has ever blamed the states for a national disaster. What Trump is doing is a first.

to be fair, the CDC screwing up the first round of test kits was a big part of the mess we're in. and i'd be very surprised if trump had anything to do with that

Even if those tests had worked, they still were far, far short of the amount we needed. So that failure by itself was not a major reason why we were so far behind. If it had been 3 million tests that were faulty, then that would have been a big deal.

it's true that there weren't enough tests as well. my point was that it didn't matter how many there were if they didn't work. making a functional test is the first step

[PlayerUp]

Obama and Bill Clinton were only ones who could deal with this epidemic in the last 40 years as presidents.

No individual can be responsible for fixing an epidemic much less a pandemic. With the current congress fighting all the time, they would have faired no better.

[PlayerUp]

right man for the job, eh? WOW

The right man for the job is one that works with both sides and can unite congress. When can we actually get a solid candidate that works with both parties and can unite them together? Won't happen under Trump nor will it under Biden.

[PlayerUp]

Pathetic display of leadership by him waiting until the **** was about to hit the fan to stop pretending it was a joke. Republicans in general including the media aided him. Fox News should be sued into the ground. The country should have been locked down months ago.

I mean the same could be said about other countries currently overwhelmed by this virus.

This is a learning lesson for all governments. If a virus is outbreaking in another country, you need to make immediate action to ban flights and begin the process of locking down and getting the equipment ready for each state. I don't fault them for not having test kits ready but you could make a valid argument 95% or more of the cases in the US could have been non existent right now had they been properly repaired and taken this seriously back in January.

[dice]

right man for the job, eh? WOW

The right man for the job is one that works with both sides and can unite congress. When can we actually get a solid candidate that works with both parties and can unite them together? Won't happen under Trump nor will it under Biden.

it's not going to happen under any president if obama couldn't do it

and presidents have powers that go well beyond their ability to work with congress. like being a damn leader during a pandemic

[PlayerUp]

He could have not been holding campaign rallies. He could have been telling us the truth, and that we should maybe start taking precautions. And most of all, he could have ordered the production of ventilators, test kits, and masks.

I don't disagree with you. Nobody is wrong with their opinions. Another virus will come someday much worse than COVID-19. Hopefully we will be more prepared next time and we better be because some terrorist groups may now see COVID-19 as an example of a way to spread death around the world without actually having a presence.

[PlayerUp]

it's not going to happen under any president if obama couldn't do it

and presidents have powers that go well beyond their ability to work with congress. like being a damn leader during a pandemic

It's quite messy right now. We'll see how this plays out in the upcoming weeks/months here. Certainly if Korea was able to get it under control, the US will eventually.

Someday there will be a president that can unite everyone. Would be nice to see a clean slate across all branches of government but voters love to re-elect toxic politicians. Overall politics is very corrupt and everyone is in it for themselves. Why I am so pro having a limited government and pro more freedom for people.

[Ccwatercraft]

that's blatantly false. as evidenced by his poor fundraising. the party coalesced around biden only after it was down to him and bernie


the voters clearly wanted biden. and the reason is pretty obvious: the obama connection. the black vote went very heavily to biden for that reason. just as it went heavily to clinton last time around. and that became evident at about the same time the other candidates threw their support to biden


wtf does "lohan virus" even refer to? lindsay lohan? that's neither clever, nor does it make any sense


boy do i hope that's sarcasm. because it couldn't be farther from the truth

lohan virus is what joe calls it, and no it doesnt make sense because hes mentally gone, toast. Biden is half a step away from assisted living.

he actually called it 'luhan' instead of 'wuhan.' which i think any reasonable person would agree is hardly a sign of mental incompetence, particularly given that none of us had ever heard of wuhan, china prior to COVID-19. anyone who can't distinguish 'luhan' from 'lohan' is themselves worth of mental examination. loo-hahn and low-hann don't sound anything alike

I voted against trump in the primary and the general, but I'm willing to admit that I was wrong, hes the right man for the job right here right now.

have you been paying attention to the news like, at all during this pandemic? or even read this thread? trump is in WAY over his head. astonishing incompetence. one screw up after another. from prior post:



right man for the job, eh? WOW

Hillary? She cant handle the pressure of a pandemic, she couldnt even finish her dam campaign.

you're parroting alt-right conspiracy theories. her health was never an issue but for one incident during the campaign when she was battling a virus:

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/295393-yes-hillary-almost-fainted-im-a-doctor-and-its

hell, she sat and answered questions for ELEVEN HOURS in one day during the sham behghazi hearing. she has twice the stamina of donald trump, who spends half of his day in "executive time":

"he spends his mornings in the residence, watching TV, reading the papers, and responding to what he sees and reads by phoning aides, members of Congress, friends, administration officials and informal advisers."

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-private-schedules-leak-executive-time-34e67fbb-3af6-48df-aefb-52e02c334255.html

Biden? give me a break, he was a favorite of mine when the primaries started but once he started talking I quickly realized he was about the 15th best candidate. and that's being nice.

you seriously hadn't heard biden talk prior to recently? he's been a gaffe machine for decades

for that matter, have you ever heard donald trump speak? he was practically falling asleep during his oval office coronavirus address, for starters

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

can you imagine if hillary had done any of this?

Watch on YouTube

you sure spent a lot of time with that post, could have just said, "orange man bad"

Anyway, The hillary stamina reference is classically funny stuff, so I must thank you for that, I needed a morning giggle with all the stuff going on, much appreciated.

[Dresden]

He could have not been holding campaign rallies. He could have been telling us the truth, and that we should maybe start taking precautions. And most of all, he could have ordered the production of ventilators, test kits, and masks.

I don't disagree with you. Nobody is wrong with their opinions. Another virus will come someday much worse than COVID-19. Hopefully we will be more prepared next time and we better be because some terrorist groups may now see COVID-19 as an example of a way to spread death around the world without actually having a presence.

That is for sure going to happen. The US and every other country affected by this is going to be well stocked and well prepared for the next outbreak when it comes. Bill Gates gave a TED talk in 2015 laying out a pandemic preparedness plan. He pointed out that the Pentagon runs simulations all the time about various war scenarios, and how they would react to each. He said we need to do the same thing with pandemic planning- have a plan in place and ready to go, so that our govt doesn't waste precious time fumbling around trying to figure out a response.

[Dresden]

Here in CA, we've marked 8 days now without a rise in number of new cases being reported. We're still adding about 1,200 a day, which ain't good, but at least the rate is not increasing.

[dougthonus]

No individual can be responsible for fixing an epidemic much less a pandemic. With the current congress fighting all the time, they would have faired no better.

I think more or less any president in my lifetime would have faired better than Trump has over this situation. It's embarrassing how bad he has been, and that's not about Republic/Democrat, that is that he has fundamentally failed at his job to even make an attempt to protect all Americans.

I've disagreed with other presidents policies, but I have never before Trump been fundamentally embarrassed of our country.

[PlayerUp]

He denied it was a problem and took no steps and cost us about a month.

So did everyone. Alot of this could have also been avoided had WHO taken action sooner and China not tried to cover up what was really going on which they are still doing today.

[PlayerUp]

That is for sure going to happen. The US and every other country affected by this is going to be well stocked and well prepared for the next outbreak when it comes. Bill Gates gave a TED talk in 2015 laying out a pandemic preparedness plan. He pointed out that the Pentagon runs simulations all the time about various war scenarios, and how they would react to each. He said we need to do the same thing with pandemic planning- have a plan in place and ready to go, so that our govt doesn't waste precious time fumbling around trying to figure out a response.

I agree and many others said the same thing. Fortunately, COVID-19 isn't very deadly but imagine an EBOLA virus that spreads faster than COVID-19 that we can't? We really need procedures in place to combat this in the future. Complete travel bans, equipment setup, hospitals prepared, and guidelines/procedures the public should follow.

[dougthonus]

So did everyone. Alot of this could have also been avoided had WHO taken action sooner and China not tried to cover up what was really going on which they are still doing today.

He denied it at a point where everyone else in the world was no longer doing so and instead urging drastic action.

[DuckIII]

He denied it was a problem and took no steps and cost us about a month.

So did everyone.

Not that this wasn’t already blatantly and provably false, but did you see the reports today about the multiple White House memos from Navarro? Dated late January and then again on February 23rd, 5 days before Trump made his infamous “hoax” statement, warning that the coronavirus could cost millions of American lives and that one step we should be taking is stockpiling medical supplies.

Don’t worry though, before today’s news cycle ends the alt right will provide a cut and paste narrative response so people can keep the lie alive.