2020 NBA Draft II

[No-Man]

Okoro is very limited length/SR wise, I am not sure he can guard PFs

And def Vassell, no question

[clyde21]

i'm more confident in Okoro guarding 4s than Vassell guarding 3s

i'll take Okoro here pretty easily

[Ruzious]

Washington goes 3rd - Wow, you know they want either Wiseman or Okungwu, because they need a rim protector. Ok, lemme give this a shot.

1. Minnesota: Edwards
2. Golden State: Wiseman
3. Washington: Okongwu
4. New Orleans: Avdija
5. Cleveland: Ball
6. Atlanta: Hayes
7. Detroit: Haliburton
8. New York: Anthony
9. Chicago: Okoro
10. Charlotte: Saddiq Bey
11. Phoenix: McDaniels
12. San Antonio: Carey
13. Sacramento: Oturu
14. Porland: Jalen Smith

[No-Man]

Golden St. isn't drafting Wiseman unless they are trading him, also 0 chance David Griffin passes on LaMelo

Hayes is a pretty bad fit with Trae, he is not good off-ball whatsoever, can't see how Saddiq Bey raises that much, and the Carey-Oturu-Smith end of the lotto is pretty terrible man, Oturu is legit bad

[HeadtopChunes]

I'd take Vassell because he can shoot

[getrichordie]

The thing that excites me about Okoro is his ability to drive through contact and get where he wants. More especially, his baseline driving ability is strong, NBA-level stuff. Dude can get up when he wants to. If he can hit 3s at a 35-36% level, I think I’m leaning Okoro. I’m just not sold on his shooting ability.

I’m leaning Vassell myself. I just like his length, his quickness on D in addition to him flashing ability to get to the rim on top of his solid outside shooting.

[karkinos]

obi toppin wins wooden award and essentially swept all the player awards of the year

[getrichordie]

Next question. Cole Anthony or Tyrese Haliburton?

Anthony is better at driving and has shown to be creative when finishing around the basket and has flashed ability to play through contact. For the most part, he makes good reads and is a good, not great, passer. His offensive game is head and shoulders above Halliburton’s, but he is limited defensively due to his size.

Haliburton has better tools, is a high IQ team defender, but is quite limited offensively but shoots it well from outside despite an unorthodox release. He also recently injured his left wrist.

[GimmeDat]

I'm going Vassell over Okoro. I buy Vassell marginally more on D, and he's just lightyear's better as a shooter right now. Obviously if Okoro could shoot at the same level, he'd be the better prospect.

I think Hali over Anthony, just. I'm not even that out on Anthony's D, I think he's pretty decent on that end given his size, I'm just struggling to take a punt on him too high with the season he had.

[Stillwater]

Ok bored as f so here goes if lottery was this order...
1. Minnesota: Edwards
2. Golden State: Okongwu
3. Washington: Wiseman
4. New Orleans: Ramsey
5. Cleveland: Stewart
6. Atlanta: Vassell
7. Detroit: Hayes
8. New York: Okoro
9. Chicago: Toppin
10. Charlotte: Anthony
11. Phoenix: Haliburton
12. San Antonio: Maxey
13. Sacramento: Nesmith
14. Porland: Avdija

I am obviously ignoring some are not officially in but will be if there ever is a draft

[getrichordie]

Ok bored as f so here goes if lottery was this order...
1. Minnesota: Edwards
2. Golden State: Okongwu
3. Washington: Wiseman
4. New Orleans: Ramsey
5. Cleveland: Stewart
6. Atlanta: Vassell
7. Detroit: Hayes
8. New York: Okoro
9. Chicago: Toppin
10. Charlotte: Anthony
11. Phoenix: Haliburton
12. San Antonio: Maxey
13. Sacramento: Nesmith
14. Porland: Avdija

I am obviously ignoring some are not officially in but will be if there ever is a draft

Glad to see someone else high on Stewart. What are you seeing in Ramsey to have him going to NOP at 4? That's a hot take, sir. Please explain.

[Stillwater]

Ok bored as f so here goes if lottery was this order...
1. Minnesota: Edwards
2. Golden State: Okongwu
3. Washington: Wiseman
4. New Orleans: Ramsey
5. Cleveland: Stewart
6. Atlanta: Vassell
7. Detroit: Hayes
8. New York: Okoro
9. Chicago: Toppin
10. Charlotte: Anthony
11. Phoenix: Haliburton
12. San Antonio: Maxey
13. Sacramento: Nesmith
14. Porland: Avdija

I am obviously ignoring some are not officially in but will be if there ever is a draft

Glad to see someone else high on Stewart. What are you seeing in Ramsey to have him going to NOP at 4? That's a hot take, sir. Please explain.

Could be the next Jrue was the overpick justify there in addition to giving them a freakish athlete who can run with Zion and shoot lights out from deep.
He needs to clean up several areas of his game but I love his motor and 2way ability as is that leads me to believe in what I would consider 1 of the highest attainable upsides after Okongwu .
I like Stewart to play a season behind Dre and then take over. Hes not the guy that has that elite upside so CLE could trade down there if someone is wanting to leapfrog for a pg like Anthony in that range.
The mock order was a little tough tbh.

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[Sactowndog]

1. Minnesota: Okongwu

-Preferably they trade down, but **** it. Weighing the likelihood of Ant reaching his ceiling in that locker room against the sureness and fit of Onyeka makes it a pretty easy decision. Not a team drafting for a franchise guy, they already have 1a and 1b in KAT/DLo. Okongwu can anchor the D and provide selfless offensive contributions, even if the J doesn't develop.

2. Golden State: Ball

-Savvy organizations take BPA, and the Warriors take LaMelo here, even if it doesn't make much sense. He has the highest ceiling, and under Kerr/Steph's tutelage provide a really good chance at him reaching that ceiling. This situation doesn't thrust him into production pressure, but allows him to develop and pick his spots playing meaningful minutes for a contender.

3. Washington: Edwards

-Wiz are not moving Wall, he is an anchor contract and they are married to it. I could see them giving in and trading Beal (BKN will be calling, offering LeVert/Dinwiddie/Allen) but either way, Ant is the pick here. Highest ceiling, another dude that can just get buckets. Dinwiddie/Ant/LeVert/Rui/Allen would be pretty sick, predicting that trade.

4. New Orleans: Okoro

-This is a super weird spot for NOLA. They have so many pieces and probably need to consolidate one way or another, but adding a premiere versatile defender with offensive upside seems like a good play. Lonzo/Ingram/Okoro/Zion/Jax for the future.

5. Cleveland: Avdija

-Provides a bit more playmaking and 2-way ability with core potential for CLE. Mess of a roster, but Deni can fit in pretty much anywhere.

6. Atlanta: Hampton

-Moonshot here, taking the best guard athlete in the class with immense speed/athleticism that you hope translates into great defense, despite poor defensive instincts. Trae/Hampton/Huerter or Hunter/Collins/Capela.

7. Detroit: Hayes

-Feels VERY wrong having Killian drop this far, and I would hope my Bucks would make an offer the Pistons could not refuse to take him here. If not, the *rebuilding* Pistons establish the Hayes/Doumbouya French connection.

8. New York: Anthony

-Knicks are looking for a scoring guard to take pressure off of RJ, and Cole does that. Cole/RJ/Knox/Randle/Robinson is, well, a team.

9. Chicago: Haliburton

-Adding some high IQ and playmaking to the Bulls is a welcome addition. Easy pick.

10. Charlotte: Wiseman

-Good spot to take a shot on James. Zeller/Biz getting phased out, rolling with Rozier/Graham/Bridges/Washington/Wiseman.

11. Phoenix: Maxey

-Strong POA and team defender, secondary playmaker, good fit next to Booker.


12. San Antonio: Bolmaro

-Pop can't pass up another Argentinian do-it-all wing, who partially replaces DeRozan.


13. Sacramento: Toppin

-BPA, weird fit next to Bagley, but weird is cool.


14. Portland: Williams

-Combo F from Florida State, great fit at the 3/4 for POR.

Leaves guys like Kira, Vassell, Poku, Nesmith, etc. Very much a FIT draft, IMO.

I think to your point about fit and upside, if Williams is around for Sac they take him. Good D, can swing 3 or 4 and with an excellent FT% hints he could be a good 3 point shooter.

[getrichordie]

Okay, I’m done playing around with my top 30 big board. May mike a minor tweak like moving Edwards up. But overall, I’ll hold on updating it until the combine results are in, if that even still takes place this year.

I also included a second round big board so I have a top 60 now. Will probably make adjustments to that the more I get a better feel for second round prospects. Really liking Jeremiah Robinson-Earl as a long-term bench big so far.

Anyways, I’d appreciate any feedback!

[Roddy B for 3]

Okay, I’m done playing around with my top 30 big board. May mike a minor tweak like moving Edwards up. But overall, I’ll hold on updating it until the combine results are in, if that even still takes place this year.

I also included a second round big board so I have a top 60 now. Will probably make adjustments to that the more I get a better feel for second round prospects. Really liking Jeremiah Robinson-Earl as a long-term bench big so far.

Anyways, I’d appreciate any feedback!

I don't have the man jewels to drop Edwards past #2, but his production is SO bad. I'm interested why you have him moving up, right now? Are you falling in live with the athletic more than you were the last few months?

[RiotPunch]

1. Minnesota: Okongwu

-Preferably they trade down, but **** it. Weighing the likelihood of Ant reaching his ceiling in that locker room against the sureness and fit of Onyeka makes it a pretty easy decision. Not a team drafting for a franchise guy, they already have 1a and 1b in KAT/DLo. Okongwu can anchor the D and provide selfless offensive contributions, even if the J doesn't develop.

2. Golden State: Ball

-Savvy organizations take BPA, and the Warriors take LaMelo here, even if it doesn't make much sense. He has the highest ceiling, and under Kerr/Steph's tutelage provide a really good chance at him reaching that ceiling. This situation doesn't thrust him into production pressure, but allows him to develop and pick his spots playing meaningful minutes for a contender.

3. Washington: Edwards

-Wiz are not moving Wall, he is an anchor contract and they are married to it. I could see them giving in and trading Beal (BKN will be calling, offering LeVert/Dinwiddie/Allen) but either way, Ant is the pick here. Highest ceiling, another dude that can just get buckets. Dinwiddie/Ant/LeVert/Rui/Allen would be pretty sick, predicting that trade.

4. New Orleans: Okoro

-This is a super weird spot for NOLA. They have so many pieces and probably need to consolidate one way or another, but adding a premiere versatile defender with offensive upside seems like a good play. Lonzo/Ingram/Okoro/Zion/Jax for the future.

5. Cleveland: Avdija

-Provides a bit more playmaking and 2-way ability with core potential for CLE. Mess of a roster, but Deni can fit in pretty much anywhere.

6. Atlanta: Hampton

-Moonshot here, taking the best guard athlete in the class with immense speed/athleticism that you hope translates into great defense, despite poor defensive instincts. Trae/Hampton/Huerter or Hunter/Collins/Capela.

7. Detroit: Hayes

-Feels VERY wrong having Killian drop this far, and I would hope my Bucks would make an offer the Pistons could not refuse to take him here. If not, the *rebuilding* Pistons establish the Hayes/Doumbouya French connection.

8. New York: Anthony

-Knicks are looking for a scoring guard to take pressure off of RJ, and Cole does that. Cole/RJ/Knox/Randle/Robinson is, well, a team.

9. Chicago: Haliburton

-Adding some high IQ and playmaking to the Bulls is a welcome addition. Easy pick.

10. Charlotte: Wiseman

-Good spot to take a shot on James. Zeller/Biz getting phased out, rolling with Rozier/Graham/Bridges/Washington/Wiseman.

11. Phoenix: Maxey

-Strong POA and team defender, secondary playmaker, good fit next to Booker.


12. San Antonio: Bolmaro

-Pop can't pass up another Argentinian do-it-all wing, who partially replaces DeRozan.


13. Sacramento: Toppin

-BPA, weird fit next to Bagley, but weird is cool.


14. Portland: Williams

-Combo F from Florida State, great fit at the 3/4 for POR.

Leaves guys like Kira, Vassell, Poku, Nesmith, etc. Very much a FIT draft, IMO.

I think to your point about fit and upside, if Williams is around for Sac they take him. Good D, can swing 3 or 4 and with an excellent FT% hints he could be a good 3 point shooter.

I would certainly take Williams ahead of Toppin as well, but would Vlade?

[DirtyDez]

Nico and Zeke are fully in. Nothing from Green yet.

There’s rumors that McDaniels is considering staying at UW because I just don’t see it. However if Green, McDaniels and Lewis were to return that would be some serious athleticism in 2021 (again I expect Green/McDaniels to leave).

[getrichordie]

Okay, I’m done playing around with my top 30 big board. May mike a minor tweak like moving Edwards up. But overall, I’ll hold on updating it until the combine results are in, if that even still takes place this year.

I also included a second round big board so I have a top 60 now. Will probably make adjustments to that the more I get a better feel for second round prospects. Really liking Jeremiah Robinson-Earl as a long-term bench big so far.

Anyways, I’d appreciate any feedback!

I don't have the man jewels to drop Edwards past #2, but his production is SO bad. I'm interested why you have him moving up, right now? Are you falling in live with the athletic more than you were the last few months?

At the end of the day, you have to factor in potential. Edwards was a super high-usage player (~30%) @ UGA and had a pretty weak supporting cast. That’s a lot to carry even for a projected #1 pick.

I think the potential for him to be an all-star is relatively high compared to the rest of the prospects in this draft. My big question is his defense. He has the strength and tools to play solid defense, but will he lock in on that side of the ball or will he lose interest because he’s not getting the rock as much?

Yeah, I’ve kind of gone back and forth on him. I have him in my top 5 for sure, but I am sold on his athleticism. He’s showcased it quite a bit. He’s about 6’4 with a 6’9 wingspan and 225 lbs. He’s essentially a running back at the shooting guard position. He has elite finishing potential. He has flashed NBA-level passing ability and he’s a guy who is going to be able to get whatever shot he wants. Whether or not he makes it is another question, but I think with the right fit and sound coaching, he’s going to be able to clean up his game quite a bit.

Also, he has shown a nice high release point and solid form on his jump shot even from NBA range. He’s also flashed his ability to shoot off the dribble and I think that part of his game will eventually become more efficient with NBA coaching.

I did come away quite impressed with his interview with Mike Schmitz. He owned up to his weaknesses as a player citing effort. He knows he needs to work on that. He quickly points out bad decisions and gives answers as to what he should have done instead.

All in all, Edwards doesn’t turn 19 until August and has already flashed the ability to do a lot of things well on offense and he has all the tools to succeed at guarding 1-3 in the NBA and I can see him guarding some 4s as well.

[getrichordie]

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