2020 NBA Draft II

[RipCity71252]

Hope Nico Mannion ends up in Miami. Think he'd be a great fit there.

Will need to be a high level shooter, but if he can get there (off the bounce, I especially) I feel pretty safe with him as a valuable piece on good teams.

Just knows how to play and can play both on and off the ball. Trust that he'll work and develop.

Honestly, his mentality might be my favorite thing about him.

[getrichordie]

Bolmaro showing off his defensive chops on the perimeter.

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[RipCity71252]

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He's definitely been impressive in that area. Active, light on his feet, quick and fluid hips...should be able to guard some NBA pg's and be a good chaser vs off ball shooters. Does a great job navigating on ball and off ball screens, blows up handoffs....

Just not sure how he scores efficiently. A bit erratic as a decision maker as well.

Definitely an interesting player though in a draft that lacks them. Love his energy and flair for the game.

[crows2]

Okay, I’m done playing around with my top 30 big board. May mike a minor tweak like moving Edwards up. But overall, I’ll hold on updating it until the combine results are in, if that even still takes place this year.

I also included a second round big board so I have a top 60 now. Will probably make adjustments to that the more I get a better feel for second round prospects. Really liking Jeremiah Robinson-Earl as a long-term bench big so far.

Anyways, I’d appreciate any feedback!

I don't have the man jewels to drop Edwards past #2, but his production is SO bad. I'm interested why you have him moving up, right now? Are you falling in live with the athletic more than you were the last few months?

At the end of the day, you have to factor in potential. Edwards was a super high-usage player (~30%) @ UGA and had a pretty weak supporting cast. That’s a lot to carry even for a projected #1 pick.

I think the potential for him to be an all-star is relatively high compared to the rest of the prospects in this draft. My big question is his defense. He has the strength and tools to play solid defense, but will he lock in on that side of the ball or will he lose interest because he’s not getting the rock as much?

Yeah, I’ve kind of gone back and forth on him. I have him in my top 5 for sure, but I am sold on his athleticism. He’s showcased it quite a bit. He’s about 6’4 with a 6’9 wingspan and 225 lbs. He’s essentially a running back at the shooting guard position. He has elite finishing potential. He has flashed NBA-level passing ability and he’s a guy who is going to be able to get whatever shot he wants. Whether or not he makes it is another question, but I think with the right fit and sound coaching, he’s going to be able to clean up his game quite a bit.

Also, he has shown a nice high release point and solid form on his jump shot even from NBA range. He’s also flashed his ability to shoot off the dribble and I think that part of his game will eventually become more efficient with NBA coaching.

I did come away quite impressed with his interview with Mike Schmitz. He owned up to his weaknesses as a player citing effort. He knows he needs to work on that. He quickly points out bad decisions and gives answers as to what he should have done instead.

All in all, Edwards doesn’t turn 19 until August and has already flashed the ability to do a lot of things well on offense and he has all the tools to succeed at guarding 1-3 in the NBA and I can see him guarding some 4s as well.

Great summary of Edwards as a prospect and pretty much echoes my thoughts on him. He’s definitely the player that teams risk looking stupid in hindsight if they pass on him.

[Ruzious]

Golden St. isn't drafting Wiseman unless they are trading him, also 0 chance David Griffin passes on LaMelo

Hayes is a pretty bad fit with Trae, he is not good off-ball whatsoever, can't see how Saddiq Bey raises that much, and the Carey-Oturu-Smith end of the lotto is pretty terrible man, Oturu is legit bad

You don't seem to get that this draft is bad in the lottery. There are going to be mediocre players picked in the lottery - one of which is Ball. Atlanta's put together a talented young roster, but they'll need a 3rd guard - especially with Huerter being an average 2, and I don't expect Trey to continue being durable throughout his career. Wiseman's a sure thing to be a top 3 pick and most likely a top 2 pick regardless of who's picking there - so it's silly to criticize that pick. I took a shot with Saddiq, because I think he'll be a top 10 player from this draft - and there's nobody else particularly compelling at that point. At least I'm not pretending I know where NBA teams have or had him rated, right? Nobody's saying Carey-Oturu-Smith are great players, but in this draft - they're reasonable possibilities as late lotto picks.

[getrichordie]

Golden St. isn't drafting Wiseman unless they are trading him, also 0 chance David Griffin passes on LaMelo

Hayes is a pretty bad fit with Trae, he is not good off-ball whatsoever, can't see how Saddiq Bey raises that much, and the Carey-Oturu-Smith end of the lotto is pretty terrible man, Oturu is legit bad

You don't seem to get that this draft is bad in the lottery. There are going to be mediocre players picked in the lottery - one of which is Ball. Atlanta's put together a talented young roster, but they'll need a 3rd guard - especially with Huerter being an average 2, and I don't expect Trey to continue being durable throughout his career. Wiseman's a sure thing to be a top 3 pick and most likely a top 2 pick regardless of who's picking there - so it's silly to criticize that pick. I took a shot with Saddiq, because I think he'll be a top 10 player from this draft - and there's nobody else particularly compelling at that point. At least I'm not pretending I know where NBA teams have or had him rated, right? Nobody's saying Carey-Oturu-Smith are great players, but in this draft - they're reasonable possibilities as late lotto picks.

Boy, if ATL needs another guard, Ball would be a solid fit next to Young. Young provides the steady offense while Ball can help mitigate some of Young’s defensive inadequacies. Reddish can play some 3 and be the 1st guy off the bench. Better hope ATL gets a lucky bounce at the lotto selection.

If Ball is gone, there’s always Okoro and Vassell. They would also compliment Young nicely but neither are known for their ball-handling ability.

[Ruzious]

Golden St. isn't drafting Wiseman unless they are trading him, also 0 chance David Griffin passes on LaMelo

Hayes is a pretty bad fit with Trae, he is not good off-ball whatsoever, can't see how Saddiq Bey raises that much, and the Carey-Oturu-Smith end of the lotto is pretty terrible man, Oturu is legit bad

You don't seem to get that this draft is bad in the lottery. There are going to be mediocre players picked in the lottery - one of which is Ball. Atlanta's put together a talented young roster, but they'll need a 3rd guard - especially with Huerter being an average 2, and I don't expect Trey to continue being durable throughout his career. Wiseman's a sure thing to be a top 3 pick and most likely a top 2 pick regardless of who's picking there - so it's silly to criticize that pick. I took a shot with Saddiq, because I think he'll be a top 10 player from this draft - and there's nobody else particularly compelling at that point. At least I'm not pretending I know where NBA teams have or had him rated, right? Nobody's saying Carey-Oturu-Smith are great players, but in this draft - they're reasonable possibilities as late lotto picks.

Boy, if ATL needs another guard, Ball would be a solid fit next to Young. Young provides the steady offense while Ball can help mitigate some of Young’s defensive inadequacies. Reddish can play some 3 and be the 1st guy off the bench.

Why would you expect Ball to be any better off the ball than Hayes, and defense... Ball and Trae might make the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. I think Reddish is ultimately a 3.

[The-Power]

Why would you expect Ball to be any better off the ball than Hayes, and defense... Ball and Trae might make the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. I think Reddish is ultimately a 3.

You can scratch the ‘might’ and add a ‘by far’ at the end. LaMelo Ball might be the worst possible fit with Trae that I could imagine.

[getrichordie]

Why would you expect Ball to be any better off the ball than Hayes, and defense... Ball and Trae might make the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. I think Reddish is ultimately a 3.

You can scratch the ‘might’ and add a ‘by far’ at the end. LaMelo Ball might be the worst possible fit with Trae that I could imagine.

What makes you say that? You know Ball can actually play D like his brother, right? The only thing Ball is really lacking is a consistent shot and good shooting form.

His defense is going to be really really good. How does that not pair well with Trae?

[getrichordie]

By the way, added tiers to my top 60 big board. Please go to the Mock Draft section and give some feedback on tiers. Just let me know if anyone is just crazily out of place. Still a work in progress in 2nd round.

[Ruzious]

Why would you expect Ball to be any better off the ball than Hayes, and defense... Ball and Trae might make the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. I think Reddish is ultimately a 3.

You can scratch the ‘might’ and add a ‘by far’ at the end. LaMelo Ball might be the worst possible fit with Trae that I could imagine.

What makes you say that? You know Ball can actually play D like his brother, right?

LiAngello or Zeppo? Before your comments, I hadn't heard anyone say anything good about his defense. He's not athletic or strong and doesn't seem to put much effort in it.

[MotownMadness]

I still think Edwards is gonna be a good one. Wish it was a draft were hes more like a legit 3rd pick but just the way hes a 3 level scorer who clearly likes the alpha high usg role could result in some big numbers as he gets more consistent.

Also has that Size to him to attack the rim which he needs to focus on more then those contested step back 3s.

[clyde21]

Golden St. isn't drafting Wiseman unless they are trading him, also 0 chance David Griffin passes on LaMelo

Hayes is a pretty bad fit with Trae, he is not good off-ball whatsoever, can't see how Saddiq Bey raises that much, and the Carey-Oturu-Smith end of the lotto is pretty terrible man, Oturu is legit bad

You don't seem to get that this draft is bad in the lottery. There are going to be mediocre players picked in the lottery - one of which is Ball. Atlanta's put together a talented young roster, but they'll need a 3rd guard - especially with Huerter being an average 2, and I don't expect Trey to continue being durable throughout his career. Wiseman's a sure thing to be a top 3 pick and most likely a top 2 pick regardless of who's picking there - so it's silly to criticize that pick. I took a shot with Saddiq, because I think he'll be a top 10 player from this draft - and there's nobody else particularly compelling at that point. At least I'm not pretending I know where NBA teams have or had him rated, right? Nobody's saying Carey-Oturu-Smith are great players, but in this draft - they're reasonable possibilities as late lotto picks.

Boy, if ATL needs another guard, Ball would be a solid fit next to Young. Young provides the steady offense while Ball can help mitigate some of Young’s defensive inadequacies. Reddish can play some 3 and be the 1st guy off the bench. Better hope ATL gets a lucky bounce at the lotto selection.

If Ball is gone, there’s always Okoro and Vassell. They would also compliment Young nicely but neither are known for their ball-handling ability.

Lamelo and Trae together in the back court is an absolute disaster lol

[No-Man]

Golden St. isn't drafting Wiseman unless they are trading him, also 0 chance David Griffin passes on LaMelo

Hayes is a pretty bad fit with Trae, he is not good off-ball whatsoever, can't see how Saddiq Bey raises that much, and the Carey-Oturu-Smith end of the lotto is pretty terrible man, Oturu is legit bad

You don't seem to get that this draft is bad in the lottery. There are going to be mediocre players picked in the lottery - one of which is Ball. Atlanta's put together a talented young roster, but they'll need a 3rd guard - especially with Huerter being an average 2, and I don't expect Trey to continue being durable throughout his career. Wiseman's a sure thing to be a top 3 pick and most likely a top 2 pick regardless of who's picking there - so it's silly to criticize that pick. I took a shot with Saddiq, because I think he'll be a top 10 player from this draft - and there's nobody else particularly compelling at that point. At least I'm not pretending I know where NBA teams have or had him rated, right? Nobody's saying Carey-Oturu-Smith are great players, but in this draft - they're reasonable possibilities as late lotto picks.

I am not pretending man, I know, I talk to scouts daily

They are not reasonable possibilities as lotto picks, maybe maybe Smith, Carey and Oturu no way in hell, not trying to be offensive just straight forward

Nobody drafts a guy with a top5-10 pick with the idea of having him as a 3rd guard and Hayes just doesn't project well off ball considering his game, maybe he develops that way but I'd be surprised if the Hawks go that way

Wiseman may very well end up going top3, he is just not going to end up with Golden St.

[No-Man]

Why would you expect Ball to be any better off the ball than Hayes, and defense... Ball and Trae might make the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. I think Reddish is ultimately a 3.

You can scratch the ‘might’ and add a ‘by far’ at the end. LaMelo Ball might be the worst possible fit with Trae that I could imagine.

What makes you say that? You know Ball can actually play D like his brother, right? The only thing Ball is really lacking is a consistent shot and good shooting form.

His defense is going to be really really good. How does that not pair well with Trae?

His defense is probably going to be about avg, is bad now but he has good instincts, he is nowhere near Lonzo, nor projects to be, on that end

[Ruzious]

Golden St. isn't drafting Wiseman unless they are trading him, also 0 chance David Griffin passes on LaMelo

Hayes is a pretty bad fit with Trae, he is not good off-ball whatsoever, can't see how Saddiq Bey raises that much, and the Carey-Oturu-Smith end of the lotto is pretty terrible man, Oturu is legit bad

You don't seem to get that this draft is bad in the lottery. There are going to be mediocre players picked in the lottery - one of which is Ball. Atlanta's put together a talented young roster, but they'll need a 3rd guard - especially with Huerter being an average 2, and I don't expect Trey to continue being durable throughout his career. Wiseman's a sure thing to be a top 3 pick and most likely a top 2 pick regardless of who's picking there - so it's silly to criticize that pick. I took a shot with Saddiq, because I think he'll be a top 10 player from this draft - and there's nobody else particularly compelling at that point. At least I'm not pretending I know where NBA teams have or had him rated, right? Nobody's saying Carey-Oturu-Smith are great players, but in this draft - they're reasonable possibilities as late lotto picks.

I am not pretending man, I know, I talk to scouts daily

They are not reasonable possibilities as lotto picks, maybe maybe Smith, Carey and Oturu no way in hell, not trying to be offensive just straight forward

Nobody drafts a guy with a top5-10 pick with the idea of having him as a 3rd guard and Hayes just doesn't project well off ball considering his game, maybe he develops that way but I'd be surprised if the Hawks go that way

Wiseman may very well end up going top3, he is just not going to end up with Golden St.

Anyone who watches basketball can call themselves a scout. Why didn't you say NBA scouts?

You have Atlanta picking Halliburton. Do you really think he would start with Atlanta? Most smart NBA GM's would tell you - When using a high pick - pick the BPA - not someone just because you think he can fills a need. If you think Halliburton is the BPA at 6, then that's a good reason to pick him.

[No-Man]

If you think Schlenk is drafting BPA you haven't followed him, he goes after his guys, period, end of story, I just don't see him targeting Hayes knowing what we know, about the franchise, himself, Trae Young and his people, and Hayes game

And I agree, Killian is a better prospect (tier ahead) than Hali

[clyde21]

BPA is only applicable if one guy is on a tier of his own above everyone else, that's not really the case, it's more best value available than best player available unless you have a Zion or Davis or Towns staring you in the face

[shakes0]

Ok bored as f so here goes if lottery was this order...
1. Minnesota: Edwards
2. Golden State: Okongwu
3. Washington: Wiseman
4. New Orleans: Ramsey
5. Cleveland: Stewart
6. Atlanta: Vassell
7. Detroit: Hayes
8. New York: Okoro
9. Chicago: Toppin
10. Charlotte: Anthony
11. Phoenix: Haliburton
12. San Antonio: Maxey
13. Sacramento: Nesmith
14. Porland: Avdija

I am obviously ignoring some are not officially in but will be if there ever is a draft

you don't have Ball in the lottery? Is he not officially in?

[shakes0]

Golden St. isn't drafting Wiseman unless they are trading him, also 0 chance David Griffin passes on LaMelo

Hayes is a pretty bad fit with Trae, he is not good off-ball whatsoever, can't see how Saddiq Bey raises that much, and the Carey-Oturu-Smith end of the lotto is pretty terrible man, Oturu is legit bad

You don't seem to get that this draft is bad in the lottery. There are going to be mediocre players picked in the lottery - one of which is Ball. Atlanta's put together a talented young roster, but they'll need a 3rd guard - especially with Huerter being an average 2, and I don't expect Trey to continue being durable throughout his career. Wiseman's a sure thing to be a top 3 pick and most likely a top 2 pick regardless of who's picking there - so it's silly to criticize that pick. I took a shot with Saddiq, because I think he'll be a top 10 player from this draft - and there's nobody else particularly compelling at that point. At least I'm not pretending I know where NBA teams have or had him rated, right? Nobody's saying Carey-Oturu-Smith are great players, but in this draft - they're reasonable possibilities as late lotto picks.

Boy, if ATL needs another guard, Ball would be a solid fit next to Young. Young provides the steady offense while Ball can help mitigate some of Young’s defensive inadequacies. Reddish can play some 3 and be the 1st guy off the bench. Better hope ATL gets a lucky bounce at the lotto selection.

If Ball is gone, there’s always Okoro and Vassell. They would also compliment Young nicely but neither are known for their ball-handling ability.

ATL needs a back up PG, not a guard to play next to Trae. They've got Huerter and Reddish to play the 2. That said, I don't think they would pass on Edwards since he has the potential to be a superstar and would be BPA by far whenever ATL drafts.

If Edwards isn't available I'd rather see ATL take a guy like Toppin rather than a lotto PG.