2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[RHODEY]

Thoughts on derrick alston jr?



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At 6"9 he's got great size for a wing. He's been compared to OTTO Porter Jr. - wouldn't mind picking him with our 2nd rounder if no one better is still around.

[Knicksfan1992]

lol, Ron Baker

maybe we should bring Ron Baker back he's been hardened from playing in the russian leagues maybe sign him to another 2 years 8 million

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he looks like billy hoyle out there. def a spring in his step we didn't see before. i wonder how much of that is competition and how much is progress as a player.

i'd love to see him back in the NBA. he looks a LOT quicker and looser.

I had a soft spot for Ron. He was a pitbull on defense, but for some reason the jumper never translated to the NBA 3. He was always inconsistent in college but generally he would always level out at a decent percentage. Always felt there was a spot in the league for him if he could get to 35-38% from 3 but he could never put it together consistently enough on offense to stick in the rotation.

Hope he gets 1 more shot at the league but either way if he's making money in Europe that's a good thing.

[robillionaire]

maybe we should bring Ron Baker back he's been hardened from playing in the russian leagues maybe sign him to another 2 years 8 million

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he looks like billy hoyle out there. def a spring in his step we didn't see before. i wonder how much of that is competition and how much is progress as a player.

i'd love to see him back in the NBA. he looks a LOT quicker and looser.

I had a soft spot for Ron. He was a pitbull on defense, but for some reason the jumper never translated to the NBA 3. He was always inconsistent in college but generally he would always level out at a decent percentage. Always felt there was a spot in the league for him if he could get to 35-38% from 3 but he could never put it together consistently enough on offense to stick in the rotation.

Hope he gets 1 more shot at the league but either way if he's making money in Europe that's a good thing.

he's shooting 37% from 3 in moscow

I don't see him ever being back in the NBA I could see him back into the g league possibly

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Since people were talking Payton Pritchard. Here's a game from the beginning of the year against Cole Anthony

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Here's Edwards vs Okoro

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[HarthorneWingo]

he looks like billy hoyle out there. def a spring in his step we didn't see before. i wonder how much of that is competition and how much is progress as a player.

i'd love to see him back in the NBA. he looks a LOT quicker and looser.

I had a soft spot for Ron. He was a pitbull on defense, but for some reason the jumper never translated to the NBA 3. He was always inconsistent in college but generally he would always level out at a decent percentage. Always felt there was a spot in the league for him if he could get to 35-38% from 3 but he could never put it together consistently enough on offense to stick in the rotation.

Hope he gets 1 more shot at the league but either way if he's making money in Europe that's a good thing.

he's shooting 37% from 3 in moscow

I don't see him ever being back in the NBA I could see him back into the g league possibly

Plus he gets all the Ruskie women and vodka he wants. Putin said so.

[HerSports85]

ESPN draft guru Fran Fraschilla has a message for the Knicks: Take the best player available with your lottery pick and save the late first-rounder for a point guard.

The former St. John’s coach believes there are flaws in each of the projected top-10 picks in this year’s draft, including the trove of point guards led by LaMelo Ball and Cole Anthony.

With no sure floor general, Fraschilla prefers the Knicks go with a point guard at No. 27 and touts Alabama sophomore Kira Lewis Jr. as being their smart choice.

“Here’s what I would tell the Knicks: I think it’s a bad year to target one position,’’ Fraschilla, who also coached at Manhattan and New Mexico, told The Post.

“If I’m the Knicks and I’m picking sixth, I’m absolutely taking the best player available — regardless of position. If you reach to take a point guard you’re unsure of, you’re better off zeroing on whoever is the best player left on the board.’’

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nba-draft-2020-knicks-could-steal-kira-lewis-at-end-of-first-round/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I think Kira will be gone before the 27th pick.

[3toheadmelo]

ESPN draft guru Fran Fraschilla has a message for the Knicks: Take the best player available with your lottery pick and save the late first-rounder for a point guard.

The former St. John’s coach believes there are flaws in each of the projected top-10 picks in this year’s draft, including the trove of point guards led by LaMelo Ball and Cole Anthony.

With no sure floor general, Fraschilla prefers the Knicks go with a point guard at No. 27 and touts Alabama sophomore Kira Lewis Jr. as being their smart choice.

“Here’s what I would tell the Knicks: I think it’s a bad year to target one position,’’ Fraschilla, who also coached at Manhattan and New Mexico, told The Post.

“If I’m the Knicks and I’m picking sixth, I’m absolutely taking the best player available — regardless of position. If you reach to take a point guard you’re unsure of, you’re better off zeroing on whoever is the best player left on the board.’’

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nba-draft-2020-knicks-could-steal-kira-lewis-at-end-of-first-round/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I think Kira will be gone before the 27th pick.

Fran stating facts. Take the BPA despite the position. Don't reach for a point guard.

[malik959]

ESPN draft guru Fran Fraschilla has a message for the Knicks: Take the best player available with your lottery pick and save the late first-rounder for a point guard.

The former St. John’s coach believes there are flaws in each of the projected top-10 picks in this year’s draft, including the trove of point guards led by LaMelo Ball and Cole Anthony.

With no sure floor general, Fraschilla prefers the Knicks go with a point guard at No. 27 and touts Alabama sophomore Kira Lewis Jr. as being their smart choice.

“Here’s what I would tell the Knicks: I think it’s a bad year to target one position,’’ Fraschilla, who also coached at Manhattan and New Mexico, told The Post.

“If I’m the Knicks and I’m picking sixth, I’m absolutely taking the best player available — regardless of position. If you reach to take a point guard you’re unsure of, you’re better off zeroing on whoever is the best player left on the board.’’

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nba-draft-2020-knicks-could-steal-kira-lewis-at-end-of-first-round/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I think Kira will be gone before the 27th pick.

Fran stating facts. Take the BPA despite the position. Don't reach for a point guard.

Lewis is projected to be around 15th.

[3toheadmelo]

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I think Kira will be gone before the 27th pick.

Fran stating facts. Take the BPA despite the position. Don't reach for a point guard.

Lewis is projected to be around 15th.

Plenty of other point guards available

[RandlesCornrows]

I haven’t had the time in me to look at guys other than Obi, LaMelo, and Tyrese. I’ve seen Anthony Edwards and I feel neutral on him in the top-3; I’d take him #3.

I’ve done more look into Cole Anthony and Killian Hayes.

Cole Anthony:
I think Cole can be solid. If he can work on his handles, he can be a stud. I love his ability to shoot off the dribble. A lot of people are done on Cole obviously due to his numbers and the ‘eye test’. But UNC didn’t help at all, he never had a chance to have proper spacing so it forced him a lot. I think Anthony would thrive in today’s NBA. He can shoot off the ball, he can finish, athletic, also a very vocal player, I see a lot of leadership qualities. R.J. And Cole would be a solid duo together.

Projection: Mid-Level PG (Limited All-Star): Kyle Lowry

Killian Hayes:
I always try to see players who weren’t highly thought of prior to the draft that ends up dominating the NBA immediately. Like Mitchell, Booker, SGA. Hayes is under appreciated, it’s likely due to him playing in France. But man his skillset is something else. He has the craftiness off Harden/Manu, he is a great play maker, has a great shot, solid handles (could be tightened), automatic from the mid range, Luka Doncic like footwork, and has great height for a guard (6’5”).

His negative is he’s similar to RJ when it comes to being dominate on their left hands, we see how that affected Barrett. I’m not worried about him forcing TO, and strength because that all comes in time. I think Killian can be very impactful right away in the NBA.

Projection: High-Level Guard. (Multi-AllStar): Manu Ginobili

If we’re picking 6th and both are available. I’ll take Killian Hayes. While Cole could fit much better with RJ, especially since Cole can play off the ball and be a spot up shooter. Plus being the NYC kid. I’d rather have the best available. The Knicks don’t need to worry about best fit. Not that Hayes doesn’t fit, I don’t see why he wouldn’t anyways.

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[Juco24]

Personally, if Deni is available and we're picking with Edwards and Ball gone... he's my pick. Many see Luka but I think Gallo is a better comparison. As has been stated.. Knicks have many needs and shooting is at the top of the list. Deni can also create for others

[Deeeez Knicks]

ESPN draft guru Fran Fraschilla has a message for the Knicks: Take the best player available with your lottery pick and save the late first-rounder for a point guard.

The former St. John’s coach believes there are flaws in each of the projected top-10 picks in this year’s draft, including the trove of point guards led by LaMelo Ball and Cole Anthony.

With no sure floor general, Fraschilla prefers the Knicks go with a point guard at No. 27 and touts Alabama sophomore Kira Lewis Jr. as being their smart choice.

“Here’s what I would tell the Knicks: I think it’s a bad year to target one position,’’ Fraschilla, who also coached at Manhattan and New Mexico, told The Post.

“If I’m the Knicks and I’m picking sixth, I’m absolutely taking the best player available — regardless of position. If you reach to take a point guard you’re unsure of, you’re better off zeroing on whoever is the best player left on the board.’’

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nba-draft-2020-knicks-could-steal-kira-lewis-at-end-of-first-round/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I think Kira will be gone before the 27th pick.

He contradicted himself. Don't target a position but then tells us to target a PG at #27 who won't even be there.

I do agree to take bpa, but it might be a PG.

[jvsimonetti0514]

ESPN draft guru Fran Fraschilla has a message for the Knicks: Take the best player available with your lottery pick and save the late first-rounder for a point guard.

The former St. John’s coach believes there are flaws in each of the projected top-10 picks in this year’s draft, including the trove of point guards led by LaMelo Ball and Cole Anthony.

With no sure floor general, Fraschilla prefers the Knicks go with a point guard at No. 27 and touts Alabama sophomore Kira Lewis Jr. as being their smart choice.

“Here’s what I would tell the Knicks: I think it’s a bad year to target one position,’’ Fraschilla, who also coached at Manhattan and New Mexico, told The Post.

“If I’m the Knicks and I’m picking sixth, I’m absolutely taking the best player available — regardless of position. If you reach to take a point guard you’re unsure of, you’re better off zeroing on whoever is the best player left on the board.’’

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nba-draft-2020-knicks-could-steal-kira-lewis-at-end-of-first-round/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I think Kira will be gone before the 27th pick.

He contradicted himself. Don't target a position but then tells us to target a PG at #27 who won't even be there.

I do agree to take bpa, but it might be a PG.

I actually don’t think it’s contradictory to target needs later in the draft. Chances are you’re just getting a role player anyways so you can be a little more picky.

Probability says we’re probably going to end up 6,7, or 8. That’s right in line with where the Haliburton, Hayes, and Cole fall on most mocks. Are Okoro or Toppin really better prospects than those guys? I honestly don’t think so. Now if we jump up to 4, those guards would probably be a reach but maybe we can trade back or something.

[robillionaire]

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I think Kira will be gone before the 27th pick.

He contradicted himself. Don't target a position but then tells us to target a PG at #27 who won't even be there.

I do agree to take bpa, but it might be a PG.

I actually don’t think it’s contradictory to target needs later in the draft. Chances are you’re just getting a role player anyways so you can be a little more picky.

Probability says we’re probably going to end up 6,7, or 8. That’s right in line with where the Haliburton, Hayes, and Cole fall on most mocks. Are Okoro or Toppin really better prospects than those guys? I honestly don’t think so. Now if we jump up to 4, those guards would probably be a reach but maybe we can trade back or something.

I'd still take the best player available even later in the draft

the problem is that there's no real consensus on who the best players available are, even at the top of the draft

[HEZI]

Tried to see what the hype is about with Avdija and I don't see it. Personally I wouldn't touch that guy with a top 10 pick, he looks like an NBA role player at best,

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This is what a top 5 pick looks like. Chances are we aren't taking him but man I really like Obi and I hope he lands in the right situation

[knickstape21]

Tried to see what the hype is about with Avdija and I don't see it. Personally I wouldn't touch that guy with a top 10 pick, he looks like an NBA role player at best,

For real. Not even sure I see effective role player. Think he falls to the teens when it’s all said and done.

We should stay as far away as possible. If he pans out, so be it.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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I think Kira will be gone before the 27th pick.

He contradicted himself. Don't target a position but then tells us to target a PG at #27 who won't even be there.

I do agree to take bpa, but it might be a PG.

I actually don’t think it’s contradictory to target needs later in the draft. Chances are you’re just getting a role player anyways so you can be a little more picky.

Probability says we’re probably going to end up 6,7, or 8. That’s right in line with where the Haliburton, Hayes, and Cole fall on most mocks. Are Okoro or Toppin really better prospects than those guys? I honestly don’t think so. Now if we jump up to 4, those guards would probably be a reach but maybe we can trade back or something.

The problem at #27 is it's even tougher to say who will be there, and odds are even lower that that pick will pan out. You still need to keep bpa in mind, and not reach for need too much. Knicks need a lot of things anyway. I do like Kira Lewis and he would be a good pick there. A chance he is gone and a wing or big might be a better pick. If there are no good pgs, it would be a wasted pick though.

I like Hayes a lot and think he would be a better pick then Okoro or Toppin for the Knicks. I would take him top 4. More so then need, it has a lot to do with how valuable PGs can be. A good pg or someone that creates offense can be more valuable then a good wing/big. If they are the right guys, I woudnt even mind double up on PGs. A lot of teams play multiple PGs at the same time and it works well.