OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[musiqsoulchild]

I'd feel like rubbing it in the point out, but Australia seems to be combating it really well so far. We shut down things reasonably early, and early signs indicate that the curve is successfully flattening. Obviously it's too early to celebrate and the one thing that would ruin everything would be to easy off the pedal now, but there are some early suggestions that our lockdown laws could be loosened by next month, which is encouraging.

Trump completely mismanaged it, simple as that. I worry for you guys how bad it's going to get over there. Fortunately, it seems like it's well and truly set in at this point and the seriousness is being respected. That's encouraging.

Australia also has a massive advantage:

1) Its an island
2) Aussies are a WHOLE lot more resilient than most other countries.
3) Large Chinese expat population which in this case is a good thing as it would have meant that the administration was getting data earlier about the happenings in mainland China
4) A much fitter population
5) Population pockets. Other than that not a very dense country.

[dougthonus]

Maybe it's not so much temperature though as it people being inside more in cold weather cities? We know it is much easier to transmit indoors than out.

It could be any number of reasons, but I wouldn't think so only because public transit and work places and areas where people spend most of there time are pretty similar regardless of season. It's only your free time (which probably isn't super packed with people) that you are doing more outside, and I still wouldn't think the outside hours change all that much for most people. Like in the summer I may spend 1 hour a day on average more outside than in the winter.

[Fantastik_Goat]

Maybe it's not so much temperature though as it people being inside more in cold weather cities? We know it is much easier to transmit indoors than out.

It could be any number of reasons, but I wouldn't think so only because public transit and work places and areas where people spend most of there time are pretty similar regardless of season. It's only your free time (which probably isn't super packed with people) that you are doing more outside, and I still wouldn't think the outside hours change all that much for most people. Like in the summer I may spend 1 hour a day on average more outside than in the winter.

I’ve lived in chicago most of my life, but spent 10 years in Los Angeles. The one thing the weather would really help with is that there are no main entrances for most apartment buildings, schools, or malls. It’s all open air there is no one door handle that everyone touches. At your apartment you only touch your own door, at the schools I taught at our classroom doors opens to the outside, and almost all the malls are open air malls. Here for a lot of people hundreds of people are going to open the main door to to where you live every day.

[Dresden]

Growing up in Chicago, and now living in SF, I can say that people here spend a lot more time out of doors, particularly from November-April. Our weather in January is not all that different from July. Whereas in Chicago, people just spent a lot more time in doors during the winter months. Especially on weekends- instead of going to a movie theater or a mall or a bar or bowling alley, out here people go hiking or go to the beach or a park or play golf, pretty much year round.

I think in particular when you get to less developed nations, in the warmer latitudes, people will be spending much, much less time in doors than in say NY or DET or CHI.

[dougthonus]

I’ve lived in chicago most of my life, but spent 10 years in Los Angeles. The one thing the weather would really help with is that there are no main entrances for most apartment buildings, schools, or malls. It’s all open air there is no one door handle that everyone touches. At your apartment you only touch your own door, at the schools I taught at our classroom doors opens to the outside, and almost all the malls are open air malls. Here for a lot of people hundreds of people are going to open the main door to to where you live every day.

I don't see that happening in Chicago at all. Everything has heavy AC and all the doors are closed for those reasons, yet we still have the same flu season as everyone else. I think CF's reasons were probably accurate. It dies when exposed to heat or sun, humidity makes it sink faster in the air etc...

Probably a combination of factors.

[Dez]

I'd feel like rubbing it in the point out, but Australia seems to be combating it really well so far. We shut down things reasonably early, and early signs indicate that the curve is successfully flattening. Obviously it's too early to celebrate and the one thing that would ruin everything would be to easy off the pedal now, but there are some early suggestions that our lockdown laws could be loosened by next month, which is encouraging.

Trump completely mismanaged it, simple as that. I worry for you guys how bad it's going to get over there. Fortunately, it seems like it's well and truly set in at this point and the seriousness is being respected. That's encouraging.

F***ing Straya!

[dice]

I'd feel like rubbing it in the point out, but Australia seems to be combating it really well so far. We shut down things reasonably early, and early signs indicate that the curve is successfully flattening. Obviously it's too early to celebrate and the one thing that would ruin everything would be to easy off the pedal now, but there are some early suggestions that our lockdown laws could be loosened by next month, which is encouraging.

Trump completely mismanaged it, simple as that. I worry for you guys how bad it's going to get over there. Fortunately, it seems like it's well and truly set in at this point and the seriousness is being respected. That's encouraging.

Australia also has a massive advantage:

1) Its an island
2) Aussies are a WHOLE lot more resilient than most other countries.
3) Large Chinese expat population which in this case is a good thing as it would have meant that the administration was getting data earlier about the happenings in mainland China
4) A much fitter population
5) Population pockets. Other than that not a very dense country.

australia is on a different continent than china. so is north america. but australia is much closer. so i'm not sure geography is particularly relevant. and the "resilience" of a nation really has nothing to do with the ability to avoid infection. but the rest of what you said might well be true

[dice]

Growing up in Chicago, and now living in SF, I can say that people here spend a lot more time out of doors, particularly from November-April. Our weather in January is not all that different from July. Whereas in Chicago, people just spent a lot more time in doors during the winter months. Especially on weekends- instead of going to a movie theater or a mall or a bar or bowling alley, out here people go hiking or go to the beach or a park or play golf, pretty much year round.

I think in particular when you get to less developed nations, in the warmer latitudes, people will be spending much, much less time in doors than in say NY or DET or CHI.

i believe that SF has the most stable temperature range of anywhere in the country

[dice]

Depending upon the test, I'm wondering if they have even considered using a single test kit for multiple people. I understand that if you do test 10 people with one kit and it shows positive, you don't know which of the 10 is infected, and you'd have to re-test each individuals. However, if that group of 10 were all negative, you'd have saved 9 test kits. Obviously the proper controls would be needed to be run; e.g. ensure no cross sample interference. But if you're doing one of the serological tests (i.e. looking for IgM or IgG) maybe it'd work.

sounds reasonable, assuming no risk of infecting someone due to test sharing. i suppose it would depend also on the positive test rate

[dice]

cook county jail largest COVID-19 infection source in nation:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/us/coronavirus-live-updates.html#link-7634e187

[dice]

RIP to the great john prine, "the maywood mailman", who has died due to COVID-19

Watch on YouTube

received lifetime achievement grammy award in january. his first ever performance review was by roger ebert in 1970:

https://www.rogerebert.com/features/john-prine-american-legend

[Dresden]

Has anyone heard when the hell we're supposed to get more test kits? from what I understand, staying at home doesn't really get us anywhere other than it relieves pressure on the hospitals, unless we also test at the same time, to know who has it or not, so that they can remain quarantined while the rest go back to work. But it doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere on the testing front, and it's been well over a month since we've known that testing is a key part of this effort.

[Dresden]

From the NYT today:

"The report sent to the White House also struck a cautionary note: “Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,” it said.

Pandemics do not behave the same way seasonal outbreaks do. For the National Academies’ report, researchers looked at the history of flu pandemics as an example. “There have been 10 influenza pandemics in the past 250-plus years — two started in the Northern Hemisphere winter, three in the spring, two in the summer and three in the fall,” the report said. “All had a peak second wave approximately six months after emergence of the virus in the human population, regardless of when the initial introduction occurred.”

[Dez]

From the NYT today:

"The report sent to the White House also struck a cautionary note: “Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,” it said.

Pandemics do not behave the same way seasonal outbreaks do. For the National Academies’ report, researchers looked at the history of flu pandemics as an example. “There have been 10 influenza pandemics in the past 250-plus years — two started in the Northern Hemisphere winter, three in the spring, two in the summer and three in the fall,” the report said. “All had a peak second wave approximately six months after emergence of the virus in the human population, regardless of when the initial introduction occurred.”

We aren't experiencing rapid virus spread........

[The Box Office]

Update: USA unemployment claims as of April 9, 2020 = 6.6 million additional claims. Total thus far: nearly 16.6 million unemployment claims. In such a super short time.

There will be no "V shaped recovery" for the economy. Just eliminate that thought. No rapid bounce back. Forget it.

[moorhosj]

Has anyone heard when the hell we're supposed to get more test kits? from what I understand, staying at home doesn't really get us anywhere other than it relieves pressure on the hospitals, unless we also test at the same time, to know who has it or not, so that they can remain quarantined while the rest go back to work. But it doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere on the testing front, and it's been well over a month since we've known that testing is a key part of this effort.

Right on time https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829955099/federal-support-for-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears:

Some local officials are disappointed the federal government will end funding for coronavirus testing sites this Friday. In a few places those sites will close as a result. This as criticism continues that not enough testing is available.

[Dresden]

Has anyone heard when the hell we're supposed to get more test kits? from what I understand, staying at home doesn't really get us anywhere other than it relieves pressure on the hospitals, unless we also test at the same time, to know who has it or not, so that they can remain quarantined while the rest go back to work. But it doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere on the testing front, and it's been well over a month since we've known that testing is a key part of this effort.

Right on time https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829955099/federal-support-for-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears:

Some local officials are disappointed the federal government will end funding for coronavirus testing sites this Friday. In a few places those sites will close as a result. This as criticism continues that not enough testing is available.

Unbelievably stupid move. We should be doing everything we can to promote more testing.

[Mbrahv0528]

From the NYT today:

"The report sent to the White House also struck a cautionary note: “Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,” it said.

Pandemics do not behave the same way seasonal outbreaks do. For the National Academies’ report, researchers looked at the history of flu pandemics as an example. “There have been 10 influenza pandemics in the past 250-plus years — two started in the Northern Hemisphere winter, three in the spring, two in the summer and three in the fall,” the report said. “All had a peak second wave approximately six months after emergence of the virus in the human population, regardless of when the initial introduction occurred.”

We aren't experiencing rapid virus spread........

What?

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[Cowbulls]

From the NYT today:

"The report sent to the White House also struck a cautionary note: “Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,” it said.

Pandemics do not behave the same way seasonal outbreaks do. For the National Academies’ report, researchers looked at the history of flu pandemics as an example. “There have been 10 influenza pandemics in the past 250-plus years — two started in the Northern Hemisphere winter, three in the spring, two in the summer and three in the fall,” the report said. “All had a peak second wave approximately six months after emergence of the virus in the human population, regardless of when the initial introduction occurred.”

We aren't experiencing rapid virus spread........

What?

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Australia isn't experiencing a rapid virus spread. They are doing pretty damn good actually. I hate the media so damn much it's starting to actually scare me how much we live on every dumb thing those idiots say and post.

[TallDude]

From the NYT today:

"The report sent to the White House also struck a cautionary note: “Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,” it said.

Pandemics do not behave the same way seasonal outbreaks do. For the National Academies’ report, researchers looked at the history of flu pandemics as an example. “There have been 10 influenza pandemics in the past 250-plus years — two started in the Northern Hemisphere winter, three in the spring, two in the summer and three in the fall,” the report said. “All had a peak second wave approximately six months after emergence of the virus in the human population, regardless of when the initial introduction occurred.”

We aren't experiencing rapid virus spread........

Uh.. your are just getting started this virus. Now it is up to Trump and also every invidiual. I trust more invidial than mr. Trump. After trump personally want that Europe take a step back. We don`t need him. Russia is too weak for Europea Military and economy also. Italy have same size of economy as Russia. So not much. Our economic will be strong anyway in Europea. Atleast northern europea. Promlem is Italy, Spain and Greece mostly. It has always been like that. After Trump is gone i like to take step forward. Happy to give Spain Etc. money if they start doing job/s and not just benefit North. There can not be resteraunt every corner???