2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

3toheadmelo · Post #521 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 8:54 pm

I think I would take Deni at #6 as well if he dropped to us. He's everything Mario Hezonja is supposed to be.

For our point guard issue, tank for Cade Cunningham or sign Fred Van Fleet. Or draft Pritchard/Tre Jones with our other picks.

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #522 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 8:56 pm

moocow007 wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:it's weird that a lot of espn analysis is talking about the guy they think they should be the best fit and not the guy they selected. Like tell me why you'd take Vernon Carey at 27 instead of talking about Payton Pritchard the whole time.

Upside over fit? Carey has a lot of potential when you marry his old school physical tools with what many believe will be his ability to stretch the floor like guys like Embiid or Towns can at the 5. Carey is still a bit rough around the edges but you get this guy a couple years from now, get his conditioning upped in NBA training regimens and he could be a serious impact talent. Carey is one of those guys that IMO if he stayed at least for another season he'd have been elbow thick in the lottery. Centers usually take a bit to get going and Carey's transition from HS to college has been pretty accelerated. He shows real good feel right away. Looking at basic trajectory I think he'd be in the running for best player (at least best big man) in college basketball next season. Pritchard also would be interesting but IMO has a lower ceiling.

Do you think that shooting is real from Carey? That 38% is on only .7 attempts. I know some of his high school scouting reports think he could possible develop that shot. I've been beating the Jalen Smith drum for a while. If we're going to draft a big, It might as well be him since the jumper is already there. But on I agree with you on everything else. With everything trending smaller, a post up big off the bench could be very useful.

RHODEY · Post #523 » by **RHODEY** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 9:15 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:I think I would take Deni at #6 as well if he dropped to us. He's everything Mario Hezonja is supposed to be.

For our point guard issue, tank for Cade Cunningham or sign Fred Van Fleet. Or draft Pritchard/Tre Jones with our other picks.

Before he got into the league Mario Hezonja was everything Mario Hezonja was supposed to be. Mario looked pretty damn good pre NBA ....do you think Deni looks demonstrably better?

Draft2020 · Post #524 » by **Draft2020** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 10:04 pm

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3toheadmelo · Post #525 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 10:13 pm

RHODEY wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I think I would take Deni at #6 as well if he dropped to us. He's everything Mario Hezonja is supposed to be.

For our point guard issue, tank for Cade Cunningham or sign Fred Van Fleet. Or draft Pritchard/Tre Jones with our other picks.

Before he got into the league Mario Hezonja was everything Mario Hezonja was supposed to be. Mario looked pretty damn good pre NBA ....do you think Deni looks demonstrably better?

Yeah I think Deni looks a lot better

Post #526 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 10:30 pm

RHODEY wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I think I would take Deni at #6 as well if he dropped to us. He's everything Mario Hezonja is supposed to be.

For our point guard issue, tank for Cade Cunningham or sign Fred Van Fleet. Or draft Pritchard/Tre Jones with our other picks.

Before he got into the league Mario Hezonja was everything Mario Hezonja was supposed to be. Mario looked pretty damn good pre NBA ....do you think Deni looks demonstrably better?

he has a lot of mario in him with a significantly better basketball IQ, work ethic, and being a better defender.

Pistol King · Post #527 » by **Pistol King** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 10:34 pm

malik959 wrote:I don't see it either. I don't even see why he's compared to Luka. He dribbles straight up, he's not quick, I don't see him as being athletic He's seems like a lesser version of Galo who showed that he was quick and athletic coming into the draft. I see stiff.

Did Galo move like that while coming into to the draft?

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Post #528 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 10:37 pm

moocow007 wrote:But yeah, I think a lot of guys may not be realizing how good Onyeka Okongwu can really be as a 2-way star in the NBA. Okongwu IMO has the potential to be the next Pascal Siakam type impact player in terms of how he plays the game and his ability to really impact games right away on the defensive end as well as what could be a pretty potent offensive repetoire. The constant motor and the feel for what he needs to do. The easy way both guys play that just screams 'natural'.

I like Okongwu a lot I think he is def a top 5 prospect in this draft.

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #529 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:23 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:it's weird that a lot of espn analysis is talking about the guy they think they should be the best fit and not the guy they selected. Like tell me why you'd take Vernon Carey at 27 instead of talking about Payton Pritchard the whole time.

Yeah, I didnt like that format. It is confusing since you expect to read about the guy that was selected.

It's so bizarre, they even contradict themselves in our picks. They claim we're going to draft a guard in the 27th pick explainer, while giving us a forward at 6. Talk more about Okongwu under the Cavs pick of Wiseman. Sometimes the guy they think is the best fit is drafted one or two players after who they select. Why not just have that team draft them? It just makes no sense. These guys are pros, they should be able to write a little blurb about both players.

knickstape21 · Post #530 » by **knickstape21** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:24 am

I take Achiuwa over Okongwu ALL day.

Potential is sky high for that dude. Siakam-like.

robillionaire · Post #531 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:17 am

Pistol King wrote:
malik959 wrote:I don't see it either. I don't even see why he's compared to Luka. He dribbles straight up, he's not quick, I don't see him as being athletic He's seems like a lesser version of Galo who showed that he was quick and athletic coming into the draft. I see stiff.

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malik959 · Post #532 » by **malik959** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:32 am

Pistol King wrote:
malik959 wrote:I don't see it either. I don't even see why he's compared to Luka. He dribbles straight up, he's not quick, I don't see him as being athletic He's seems like a lesser version of Galo who showed that he was quick and athletic coming into the draft. I see stiff.

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blanko · Post #533 » by **blanko** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:26 am

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
maybe we should bring Ron Baker back he's been hardened from playing in the russian leagues maybe sign him to another 2 years 8 million

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he looks like billy hoyle out there. def a spring in his step we didn't see before. i wonder how much of that is competition and how much is progress as a player.

i'd love to see him back in the NBA. he looks a LOT quicker and looser.

I had a soft spot for Ron. He was a pitbull on defense, but for some reason the jumper never translated to the NBA 3. He was always inconsistent in college but generally he would always level out at a decent percentage. Always felt there was a spot in the league for him if he could get to 35-38% from 3 but he could never put it together consistently enough on offense to stick in the rotation.

Hope he gets 1 more shot at the league but either way if he's making money in Europe that's a good thing.

Didnt a shoulder injury mess up his shot?

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Knicksfan1992 · Post #534 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:40 am

Deni is just ok to me. I actually buy the shot mechanics and I think he'll be a good standstill shooter but I don't see movement shooting ever being a thing for him. Limited handle and first step out of iso IMO which limits his upside as an offensive player. His best bet imo is to be like a 20-30 minute swiss army knife probably off the bench. Positional scarcity moves him higher on the board than what his talent level really is for me. Wouldn't normally pick him top 5 but in this class I guess I could see it.

RHODEY · Post #535 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:54 am

Pistol King wrote:
malik959 wrote:I don't see it either. I don't even see why he's compared to Luka. He dribbles straight up, he's not quick, I don't see him as being athletic He's seems like a lesser version of Galo who showed that he was quick and athletic coming into the draft. I see stiff.

Did Galo move like that while coming into to the draft?

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Don't know but Mario Herzonja certainly did...

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knickstape21 · Post #536 » by **knickstape21** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:26 pm

RHODEY wrote:
Pistol King wrote:
malik959 wrote:I don't see it either. I don't even see why he's compared to Luka. He dribbles straight up, he's not quick, I don't see him as being athletic He's seems like a lesser version of Galo who showed that he was quick and athletic coming into the draft. I see stiff.

Did Galo move like that while coming into to the draft?

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Don't know but Mario Herzonja certainly did...

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Stay far far far far away from Avdija. The jokes if he doesn’t pan out... yikes.

knickstape21 · Post #537 » by **knickstape21** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:44 pm

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We definitely do not talk enough Precious Achiuwa in here. This is the Siakam/Isaac type forward that fits in so well in today’s NBA.

One of the better defenders in the draft, has the ability to play effectively along-side Mitchell Robinson by stretching the floor, and also the ability to play small ball Center if need be.

The way he gets up and down the floor is ridiculous. Scores in the post, shoots the 3, puts the ball on the deck, and uses both hands. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t even make it to pick 6.

Also side note is dude is from Queens. Would love to take the hometown kid.

Post #538 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:05 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Deni is just ok to me. I actually buy the shot mechanics and I think he'll be a good standstill shooter but I don't see movement shooting ever being a thing for him. Limited handle and first step out of iso IMO which limits his upside as an offensive player. His best bet imo is to be like a 20-30 minute swiss army knife probably off the bench. Positional scarcity moves him higher on the board than what his talent level really is for me. Wouldn't normally pick him top 5 but in this class I guess I could see it.

Yeah, I agree with that take. I don't see him as a big scorer so think that will limit his ceiling. I think he can be a good role player that you like to have on your team. But even in this draft, not sure I would take him top 10 for the Knicks. He reminds me a little of Frank as a prospect, in that he is gonna need time and be developed, and he may end up just being a role player but comes with a lot of risk. If he goes to the right team he could be valuable. Think for the Knicks that could end badly, and there might be better picks for us.

NYF13 · Post #539 » by **NYF13** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:51 pm

Draft2020 wrote:

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Which option sounds alluring? Don't worry about who's starting or not. Or if anyone is out of their position (hope not drastically when it comes to depth).

OPTION # 1
CP3 (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - DOTSON
DENI - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 2
ROZIER (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - MONK
DENI - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 3
COLE ANTHONY - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - DOTSON
MOOK (via FA) - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 4
LAMELO - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK
MOOK (via FA) - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 5
CP3 (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
EDWARDS - FRANK
RJ - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 6
ROZIER (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
EDWARDS - FRANK - MONK
RJ - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

3toheadmelo · Post #540 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:58 pm

knickstape21 wrote:

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We definitely do not talk enough Precious Achiuwa in here. This is the Siakam/Isaac type forward that fits in so well in today’s NBA.

One of the better defenders in the draft, has the ability to play effectively along-side Mitchell Robinson by stretching the floor, and also the ability to play small ball Center if need be.

The way he gets up and down the floor is ridiculous. Scores in the post, shoots the 3, puts the ball on the deck, and uses both hands. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t even make it to pick 6.

Also side note is dude is from Queens. Would love to take the hometown kid.

Yep everyone is sleeping on him. I’ve been the only one talking about him for months :lol: