Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

RiotPunch · Post #381 » by **RiotPunch** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:10 am

New DX mock:

1. GSW - Ant Edwards (Best fit: Ball)
2. CLE - James Wiseman (Best fit: Okongwu)
3. ATL - Isaac Okoro (Best fit: Okoro)
4. MIN - LaMelo Ball (Best fit: Ball)
5. DET - Onyeka Okongwu (Best fit: Avdija)
6. NYK - Deni Avdija (Best fit: Ball)
7. CHI - Obi Toppin (Best fit: Haliburton)
8. CHA - Precious Achiuwa (Best fit: Okongwu)
9. WAS - Tyrese Haliburton (Best fit: Okongwu)
10. PHX - Killian Hayes (Best fit: Haliburton)
11. SAC - RJ Hampton (Best fit: McDaniels)
12. SAS - Tyrese Maxey (Best fit: Okoro)
13. POR - Cole Anthony (Best fit: Nesmith)
14. NO - Aaron Nesmith (Best fit: Nesmith)
15. BOS - Devin Vassell (Best fit: Bolmaro)
16. MIN - Jaden McDaniels (Best fit: S. Bey)
17. ORL - Theo Maledon (Best fit: Maledon)
18. MKE - Nico Mannion (Best fit: Nesmith)
19. DAL - Saddiq Bey (Best fit: S. Bey)
20. OKC - Patrick Williams (Best fit: Mannion)
21. BKN - Josh Green (Best fit: T. Bey)
22. DEN - Leandro Bolmaro (Best fit: S. Bey)
23. MIA - Robert Woodard II (Best fit: Woodard II)
24. UTA - Kira Lewis Jr. (Best fit: Lewis Jr.)
25. OKC - Jahmi'us Ramsey (Best fit: J. Smith)
26. BOS - Isaiah Stewart (Best fit: Stewart)
27. NYK - Vernon Carey Jr. (Best fit: Pritchard)
28. TOR - Aleksej Pokusevski (Best fit: Stewart)
29. LAL - Cassius Winston (Best fit: Mays)
30. BOS - Jalen Smith (Best fit: Winston)

31. DAL - Udoka Azubuike
32. CHA - Devon Dotson
33. PHI - Daniel Oturu
34. MIN - Zeke Nnaji
35. SAC - Tyler Bey
36. PHI - Payton Pritchard
37. WAS - Keyontae Johnson
38. NYK - Tre Jones
39. NO - Jordan Nwora
40. MEM - Amar Sylla
41. SAC - Corey Kispert
42. SAS- Abdoulaye N'Doye
43. POR - Jared Butler
44. NO - Malachi Flynn
45. CHI - Grant Riller
46. BOS - Skylar Mays
47. ORL - Elijah Hughes
48. IND - Cassius Stanley
49. GSW - Reggie Perry
50. OKC - Xavier Tillman
51. PHI - Paul Reed
52. ATL - Kenyon Martin Jr.
53. SAC - Ashton Hagans
54. GSW - Killian Tillie
55. BKN - Paul Eboua
56. CHA - John Petty Jr.
57. LAC - Nick Richards
58. TOR - Immanuel Quickley
59. PHI - Desmond Bane
60. NO - Markus Howard

RiotPunch · Post #382 » by **RiotPunch** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:19 am

If we took Mannion over Kira, Bolmaro, Williams, Green I would be sad. Nico is a solid enough prospect, but don't see him as more than a backup PG at this point, his frame is so limiting.

Jez2983 · Post #383 » by **Jez2983** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 9:41 am

RiotPunch wrote:If we took Mannion over Kira, Bolmaro, Williams, Green I would be sad. Nico is a solid enough prospect, but don't see him as more than a backup PG at this point, his frame is so limiting.

Green's got me interested, because

1) Australia (we're due a good one) and
2) upside. I think our system, coach and Giannis are as good a chance as any to help someone to their ceiling.

In recent times there hasn't been many players that have looked better since they left here that couldn't be explained by increased usage.

RiotPunch · Post #384 » by **RiotPunch** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 9:52 am

Jez2983 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:If we took Mannion over Kira, Bolmaro, Williams, Green I would be sad. Nico is a solid enough prospect, but don't see him as more than a backup PG at this point, his frame is so limiting.

Green's got me interested, because

1) Australia (we're due a good one) and
2) upside. I think our system, coach and Giannis are as good a chance as any to help someone to their ceiling.

In recent times there hasn't been many players that have looked better since they left here that couldn't be explained by increased usage.

It really comes down to whether or not you buy his shot. If you do, he is top-10 worthy without question. I am closer to that camp than not and, yeah, he does so much to impact a game on both ends and is an elite athlete.

And if this brings back more of the Aussies, then this board is better because of it.

(paul, blkout, we miss you)

Post #385 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Apr 9, 2020 10:21 am

RiotPunch wrote:
Jez2983 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:If we took Mannion over Kira, Bolmaro, Williams, Green I would be sad. Nico is a solid enough prospect, but don't see him as more than a backup PG at this point, his frame is so limiting.

Green's got me interested, because

1) Australia (we're due a good one) and
2) upside. I think our system, coach and Giannis are as good a chance as any to help someone to their ceiling.

In recent times there hasn't been many players that have looked better since they left here that couldn't be explained by increased usage.

It really comes down to whether or not you buy his shot. If you do, he is top-10 worthy without question. I am closer to that camp than not and, yeah, he does so much to impact a game on both ends and is an elite athlete.

And if this brings back more of the Aussies, then this board is better because of it. (paul, blkout, we miss you)

And even if Green can't totally fix his shot, he can still be a Josh Richardson type, and Richardson was a worse shooter as a freshman than Green. It stinks for Arizona to probably lose both him and Mannion after just 1 season together - they both would probably be much better as sophomores. I agree that Green should be a better pro than Mannion, and he's someone the Bucks should scout hard. But if it comes down to Nesmith or Green or any of the other players mentioned above - no doubt I take Nesmith.

Badgerlander · Post #386 » by **Badgerlander** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:48 am

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RiotPunch · Post #387 » by **RiotPunch** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:21 am

Speaking of Max Carlin, Jackson Frank and Ben Pfeifer, they started the Prep2Pro podcast recently and it's pretty insightful. Definitely a must listen for draft junkies.

Very different takes compared to the mainstream media draft stuff. They have guys from The Stepien on a couple episodes too.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prep2pro-podcast

Jez2983 · Post #388 » by **Jez2983** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:54 am

Ruzious wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
Jez2983 wrote:
Green's got me interested, because

1) Australia (we're due a good one) and
2) upside. I think our system, coach and Giannis are as good a chance as any to help someone to their ceiling.

In recent times there hasn't been many players that have looked better since they left here that couldn't be explained by increased usage.

It really comes down to whether or not you buy his shot. If you do, he is top-10 worthy without question. I am closer to that camp than not and, yeah, he does so much to impact a game on both ends and is an elite athlete.

And if this brings back more of the Aussies, then this board is better because of it. (paul, blkout, we miss you)

And even if Green can't totally fix his shot, he can still be a Josh Richardson type, and Richardson was a worse shooter as a freshman than Green. It stinks for Arizona to probably lose both him and Mannion after just 1 season together - they both would probably be much better as sophomores. I agree that Green should be a better pro than Mannion, and he's someone the Bucks should scout hard. But if it comes down to Nesmith or Green or any of the other players mentioned above - no doubt I take Nesmith.

All this is pretty fair. I also remember guys being hyped on Lewis earlier, so hoping he says something silly or some random euros get hyped so he drops to us.

RiotPunch · Post #389 » by **RiotPunch** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:19 am

LuessiT wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Hampton is a cutter/slasher.

Not the biggest fan of him but boy does he sometimes make quick reads and find the open man. He's not a PG, but he really sees the game develop ahead of time.

I'm all over the place with him. He shows flashes of feel on offense, but a lot to be desired as a shooter and passer. He's a mess on defense too.

But, he's crazy fast, really athletic with all of the tools you can't teach to be a good player. I'd ultimately trust Bud to get the most out of him. Could end up the best in the class.

On the flip side, I've vaulted a lesser athlete in Maxey into my Top-5, and think he might have the most bankable translatable strengths in the class. I buy his jumpshot, like him as a secondary playmaker, love his defense and tenacity, brute functional strength and balance for someone his age, fabulous attitude. He can create a bit on ball, plays well off ball, can get to the rack or the line effectively. He's someone I would bet on figuring it out.

Frank Nova · Post #390 » by **Frank Nova** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:23 pm

what would you offer for Donovan Mitchell?

I think it would take an offer of Bledsoe, Donte and Indy 1st to get Utah interested but is that too much? I think it’s a tough decision.

George Hill
Donovan Mitchell
Khris
Giannis
Brook

Vs

Bledsoe
Donte
Khris
Giannis
Brook

DDV is my guy but this is tough...

M-C-G · Post #391 » by **M-C-G** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:42 pm

Frank Nova wrote:what would you offer for Donovan Mitchell?

I think it would take an offer of Bledsoe, Donte and Indy 1st to get Utah interested but is that too much? I think it’s a tough decision.

George Hill
Donovan Mitchell
Khris
Giannis
Brook

Vs

Bledsoe
Donte
Khris
Giannis
Brook

DDV is my guy but this is tough...

I’m legit not trading Donte. I know it sounds weird but he is/will be incredibly valuable to this team and may be one of the best defensive guards in the league.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

hege53190 · Post #392 » by **hege53190** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:58 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Frank Nova wrote:what would you offer for Donovan Mitchell?

I think it would take an offer of Bledsoe, Donte and Indy 1st to get Utah interested but is that too much? I think it’s a tough decision.

George Hill
Donovan Mitchell
Khris
Giannis
Brook

Vs

Bledsoe
Donte
Khris
Giannis
Brook

DDV is my guy but this is tough...

I’m legit not trading Donte. I know it sounds weird but he is/will be incredibly valuable to this team and may be one of the best defensive guards in the league.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

The deal seems remarkably similar to the one I posted on the trade board a couple hours ago. I included an extra unprotected first to get it done.

Donte is great. You still do it. People always complain about a second star next to Giannis. This gives us that chance with Middleton and Mitchell playing 2a and 2B.

Mitchelll is the type of player that shouldn't be available but is. If the Bucks have the assets without Giannis and Middleton they should try to get him.

Post #393 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:59 pm

We don't need a guy like Mitchell with Giannis and Khris. We need more Dontes.

M-C-G · Post #394 » by **M-C-G** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:15 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:We don't need a guy like Mitchell with Giannis and Khris. We need more Dontes.

This is how I feel and with the Donte we have, he has the upside to be more than he already is, which is a damn fine player.

BucksFanSD · Post #395 » by **BucksFanSD** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:29 pm

I'm catching up on watching some of these prospects. I agree with those who like Kira Lewis Jr. Wow, he just turned 19. Those numbers he put up last year are incredible once you factor he was freshman age. Why isn't he mocked higher? He may have a small frame, but it's similar to Morant's. I guess he could be more explosive and above-the-rim.

hege53190 · Post #396 » by **hege53190** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:11 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:We don't need a guy like Mitchell with Giannis and Khris. We need more Dontes.

This is about 100% opposite what I was hearing last season. Maybe it was the vocal minority. I want as much talent as possible. I like Donte and Bledsoe a lot. However if you get the chance to add a player like Mitchell you should go for it.

Post #397 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:30 pm

hege53190 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:We don't need a guy like Mitchell with Giannis and Khris. We need more Dontes.

This is about 100% opposite what I was hearing last season. Maybe it was the vocal minority. I want as much talent as possible. I like Donte and Bledsoe a lot. However if you get the chance to add a player like Mitchell you should go for it.

Mitchell's got a USG rate of 31%. What good is he if you're cutting that in half?

hege53190 · Post #398 » by **hege53190** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:40 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
hege53190 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:We don't need a guy like Mitchell with Giannis and Khris. We need more Dontes.

This is about 100% opposite what I was hearing last season. Maybe it was the vocal minority. I want as much talent as possible. I like Donte and Bledsoe a lot. However if you get the chance to add a player like Mitchell you should go for it.

Mitchell's got a USG rate of 31%. What good is he if you're cutting that in half?

He is 23 and carrying that load on 45/36/86 percentages with almost 7 3's a game.

He is also shooting 50% from 10-16 and 47% from 16-3. His percentages signify he is an elite shooter that could perhaps improve with more open looks and not having to create all the time.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html

He also shoots 40% on wide open 3s and 39% on open 3s

https://stats.nba.com/players/shots-closest-defender/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open&sort=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1

I am just thinking of a starting lineup of Mitchell/Mathews/Middleton/Giannis/Lopez

Bench of Hill/create our own.

Post #399 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:51 pm

hege53190 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
hege53190 wrote:
This is about 100% opposite what I was hearing last season. Maybe it was the vocal minority. I want as much talent as possible. I like Donte and Bledsoe a lot. However if you get the chance to add a player like Mitchell you should go for it.

Mitchell's got a USG rate of 31%. What good is he if you're cutting that in half?

He is 23 and carrying that load on 45/36/86 percentages with almost 7 3's a game.

He is also shooting 50% from 10-16 and 47% from 16-3. His percentages signify he is an elite shooter that could perhaps improve with more open looks and not having to create all the time.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html

He also shoots 40% on wide open 3s and 39% on open 3s

https://stats.nba.com/players/shots-closest-defender/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open&sort=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1

I am just thinking of a starting lineup of Mitchell/Mathews/Middleton/Giannis/Lopez

Bench of Hill/create our own.

So you're good giving the max to him?

hege53190 · Post #400 » by **hege53190** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:02 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
hege53190 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Mitchell's got a USG rate of 31%. What good is he if you're cutting that in half?

He is 23 and carrying that load on 45/36/86 percentages with almost 7 3's a game.

He is also shooting 50% from 10-16 and 47% from 16-3. His percentages signify he is an elite shooter that could perhaps improve with more open looks and not having to create all the time.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html

He also shoots 40% on wide open 3s and 39% on open 3s

https://stats.nba.com/players/shots-closest-defender/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open&sort=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1

I am just thinking of a starting lineup of Mitchell/Mathews/Middleton/Giannis/Lopez

Bench of Hill/create our own.

So you're good giving the max to him?

Yeah. His Max starts at about $27 million. After next season.