Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[GTR11]

Anthony Davis and Giannis are free agents.

If we being specific here than AD has PO of 28.7 mil and Giannis has another year of 27.5 mil. Lakers 119m committed and Bucks 130. Hard to see both of them walking away from 250m contracts tbh.
My point was that owners already been in conversation with nbapa about how salaries might be cut due to unexpected short season. As if today it's hard to say when season is going to begin next year if begin at all. I think players and owners will get to talk sometime when things clear up a little more, to see how they going to share revenue. We got no idea how much money NBA lost due to covid 19, there were talks about Chinese cuts and how it can hurt, now this shortened season will definitely hurt a lot. I think salary cap reduction is not out the question and will be enforced by cheap owners ( they got majority ) to cover up for their losses.

AD probably stays but but 0.0% chance Giannis is back.

just like Kawhi in toronto, kyrie in boston, AD in new orleans etc....

These guys arent sticking around for another year and 12% more cash to be in smaller markets.

They are going to major markets and probably to team up. they can eaily make that extra cash up in endorsements and exposure.

A lot of bold assumptions like usually. Players will go for most money with all this uncertainty.

[Prokorov]

If we being specific here than AD has PO of 28.7 mil and Giannis has another year of 27.5 mil. Lakers 119m committed and Bucks 130. Hard to see both of them walking away from 250m contracts tbh.
My point was that owners already been in conversation with nbapa about how salaries might be cut due to unexpected short season. As if today it's hard to say when season is going to begin next year if begin at all. I think players and owners will get to talk sometime when things clear up a little more, to see how they going to share revenue. We got no idea how much money NBA lost due to covid 19, there were talks about Chinese cuts and how it can hurt, now this shortened season will definitely hurt a lot. I think salary cap reduction is not out the question and will be enforced by cheap owners ( they got majority ) to cover up for their losses.

AD probably stays but but 0.0% chance Giannis is back.

just like Kawhi in toronto, kyrie in boston, AD in new orleans etc....

These guys arent sticking around for another year and 12% more cash to be in smaller markets.

They are going to major markets and probably to team up. they can eaily make that extra cash up in endorsements and exposure.

A lot of bold assumptions like usually. Players will go for most money with all this uncertainty.

not assumptions. it is a certainty giannis wont be back in milwaukee.

[GTR11]

AD probably stays but but 0.0% chance Giannis is back.

just like Kawhi in toronto, kyrie in boston, AD in new orleans etc....

These guys arent sticking around for another year and 12% more cash to be in smaller markets.

They are going to major markets and probably to team up. they can eaily make that extra cash up in endorsements and exposure.

A lot of bold assumptions like usually. Players will go for most money with all this uncertainty.

not assumptions. it is a certainty giannis wont be back in milwaukee.

Unbelievable.

[vincecarter4pres]

A lot of bold assumptions like usually. Players will go for most money with all this uncertainty.

not assumptions. it is a certainty giannis wont be back in milwaukee.

Unbelievable.

I mean, when is the last time a star player, went for the money, so to speak?

Paul George? Westbrook?

Westbrook is a weird, mis-wired dude who cares more about personal accolades then team success and PG was injury riddled and still almost left for LAL and then forced his way to LAC the very next off-season, after forcing his way out of Indiana.

The other big dogs left and/or took short extensions so they could control their futures. LeBron, twice. KD, twice. AD. Kyrie. Butler. Beal took the money, but the ultra short extension. Lillard is like the only guy you can point to on this one.

Barnes, Batum, Kemba, Tobias Harris, DLo, McCollum, these are the kind of guys who take the money, because they have to, in varying degrees, for varying reasons and yet most of them still left as well.

[GTR11]

not assumptions. it is a certainty giannis wont be back in milwaukee.

Unbelievable.

I mean, when is the last time a star player, went for the money, so to speak?

Paul George? Westbrook?

Westbrook is a weird, mis-wired dude who cares more about personal accolades then team success and PG was injury riddled and still almost left for LAL and then forced his way to LAC the very next off-season, after forcing his way out of Indiana.

The other big dogs left and/or took short extensions so they could control their futures. LeBron, twice. KD, twice. AD. Kyrie. Butler. Beal took the money, but the ultra short extension. Lillard is like the only guy you can point to on this one.

Barnes, Batum, Kemba, Tobias Harris, DLo, McCollum, these are the kind of guys who take the money, because they have to, in varying degrees, for varying reasons and yet most of them still left as well.

On the list of players that you provided only LBJ took short max deal ( well he made more making movie in LA ). Rest of these players either resigned with team that had bird rights or took full amount and got traded because their teams weren't willing to pay them such money. You just proved my point, none of these players took pay cuts to leave. You twisting narrative your own way won't change the fact that players stilltook most money. PG had no clue he would be traded when he signed neither did Russ. Beal took most team could offer at the moment as Shams reported etc.

[vincecarter4pres]

Unbelievable.

I mean, when is the last time a star player, went for the money, so to speak?

Paul George? Westbrook?

Westbrook is a weird, mis-wired dude who cares more about personal accolades then team success and PG was injury riddled and still almost left for LAL and then forced his way to LAC the very next off-season, after forcing his way out of Indiana.

The other big dogs left and/or took short extensions so they could control their futures. LeBron, twice. KD, twice. AD. Kyrie. Butler. Beal took the money, but the ultra short extension. Lillard is like the only guy you can point to on this one.

Barnes, Batum, Kemba, Tobias Harris, DLo, McCollum, these are the kind of guys who take the money, because they have to, in varying degrees, for varying reasons and yet most of them still left as well.

On the list of players that you provided only LBJ took short max deal ( well he made more making movie in LA ). Rest of these players either resigned with team that had bird rights or took full amount and got traded because their teams weren't willing to pay them such money. You just proved my point, none of these players took pay cuts to leave. You twisting narrative your own way won't change the fact that players stilltook most money. PG had no clue he would be traded when he signed neither did Russ. Beal took most team could offer at the moment as Shams reported etc.

I'm literally unsure what you're talking about. LeBron left Miami to go back to Cleveland, losing raise precentages and a year and then took the shortest deal he could. Did it again in LAL. KD same with GSW, even took a small paycut iirc from full max starting salary, then exactly the same in Brooklyn again... AD could have stuck it out in New Orleans and got a super max and forced his way out instead. Kyrie same with Cleveland and then doubled down by leaving Boston for here. Butler took less years and per year to leave the Sixers.

Come again?

[GTR11]

I mean, when is the last time a star player, went for the money, so to speak?

Paul George? Westbrook?

Westbrook is a weird, mis-wired dude who cares more about personal accolades then team success and PG was injury riddled and still almost left for LAL and then forced his way to LAC the very next off-season, after forcing his way out of Indiana.

The other big dogs left and/or took short extensions so they could control their futures. LeBron, twice. KD, twice. AD. Kyrie. Butler. Beal took the money, but the ultra short extension. Lillard is like the only guy you can point to on this one.

Barnes, Batum, Kemba, Tobias Harris, DLo, McCollum, these are the kind of guys who take the money, because they have to, in varying degrees, for varying reasons and yet most of them still left as well.

On the list of players that you provided only LBJ took short max deal ( well he made more making movie in LA ). Rest of these players either resigned with team that had bird rights or took full amount and got traded because their teams weren't willing to pay them such money. You just proved my point, none of these players took pay cuts to leave. You twisting narrative your own way won't change the fact that players stilltook most money. PG had no clue he would be traded when he signed neither did Russ. Beal took most team could offer at the moment as Shams reported etc.

I'm literally unsure what you're talking about. LeBron left Miami to go back to Cleveland, losing raise precentages and a year and then took the shortest deal he could. Did it again in LAL. KD same with GSW, even took a small paycut iirc from full max starting salary, then exactly the same in Brooklyn again... AD could have stuck it out in New Orleans and got a super max and forced his way out instead. Kyrie same with Cleveland and then doubled down by leaving Boston for here. Butler took less years and per year to leave the Sixers.

Come again?

KD came through S&T, took pay cut only because DJ.
Kyrie took pay cut only for DJ. Look up the difference between him and Kemba. Kemba took no pay cuts and got full max through S&T because Hornets went full rebuild.
Beal took entire max and there were no shortened years as you claim, by rule Wiz just couldn't give more.
Butler took entire max via S&T.
PG took full max.
Russ took full max.
Giannis and AD will not be any different than others especially with uncertainty that we going to face soon.
I would not compare Messi, Ronaldo and LBJ to anyone. They different breed.
It'll be hard to predict what Joe going to do. There is few teams that got cap space and young all stars on rookie deals and can go out and spend. We got Dinwiddie coming up too. With owners loosing millions it will be dumb not to predict that changes won't happen. Tsai got a lot of money but let's not fools thinking entire team will get paid fair share, we most likely would've lost 1 maybe 2 even before this pandemic.

[MrDollarBills]

On the list of players that you provided only LBJ took short max deal ( well he made more making movie in LA ). Rest of these players either resigned with team that had bird rights or took full amount and got traded because their teams weren't willing to pay them such money. You just proved my point, none of these players took pay cuts to leave. You twisting narrative your own way won't change the fact that players stilltook most money. PG had no clue he would be traded when he signed neither did Russ. Beal took most team could offer at the moment as Shams reported etc.

I'm literally unsure what you're talking about. LeBron left Miami to go back to Cleveland, losing raise precentages and a year and then took the shortest deal he could. Did it again in LAL. KD same with GSW, even took a small paycut iirc from full max starting salary, then exactly the same in Brooklyn again... AD could have stuck it out in New Orleans and got a super max and forced his way out instead. Kyrie same with Cleveland and then doubled down by leaving Boston for here. Butler took less years and per year to leave the Sixers.

Come again?

KD came through S&T, took pay cut only because DJ.
Kyrie took pay cut only for DJ. Look up the difference between him and Kemba. Kemba took no pay cuts and got full max through S&T because Hornets went full rebuild.
Beal took entire max and there were no shortened years as you claim, by rule Wiz just couldn't give more.
Butler took entire max via S&T.
PG took full max.
Russ took full max.
Giannis and AD will not be any different than others especially with uncertainty that we going to face soon.
I would not compare Messi, Ronaldo and LBJ to anyone. They different breed.
It'll be hard to predict what Joe going to do. There is few teams that got cap space and young all stars on rookie deals and can go out and spend. We got Dinwiddie coming up too. With owners loosing millions it will be dumb not to predict that changes won't happen. Tsai got a lot of money but let's not fools thinking entire team will get paid fair share, we most likely would've lost 1 maybe 2 even before this pandemic.

It's going to be a rough market for free agents, especially when, not if, when the season gets cancelled.

[TheNetsFan]

On the list of players that you provided only LBJ took short max deal ( well he made more making movie in LA ). Rest of these players either resigned with team that had bird rights or took full amount and got traded because their teams weren't willing to pay them such money. You just proved my point, none of these players took pay cuts to leave. You twisting narrative your own way won't change the fact that players stilltook most money. PG had no clue he would be traded when he signed neither did Russ. Beal took most team could offer at the moment as Shams reported etc.

I'm literally unsure what you're talking about. LeBron left Miami to go back to Cleveland, losing raise precentages and a year and then took the shortest deal he could. Did it again in LAL. KD same with GSW, even took a small paycut iirc from full max starting salary, then exactly the same in Brooklyn again... AD could have stuck it out in New Orleans and got a super max and forced his way out instead. Kyrie same with Cleveland and then doubled down by leaving Boston for here. Butler took less years and per year to leave the Sixers.

Come again?

KD came through S&T, took pay cut only because DJ.
Kyrie took pay cut only for DJ. Look up the difference between him and Kemba. Kemba took no pay cuts and got full max through S&T because Hornets went full rebuild.
Beal took entire max and there were no shortened years as you claim, by rule Wiz just couldn't give more.
Butler took entire max via S&T.
PG took full max.
Russ took full max.
Giannis and AD will not be any different than others especially with uncertainty that we going to face soon.
I would not compare Messi, Ronaldo and LBJ to anyone. They different breed.
It'll be hard to predict what Joe going to do. There is few teams that got cap space and young all stars on rookie deals and can go out and spend. We got Dinwiddie coming up too. With owners loosing millions it will be dumb not to predict that changes won't happen. Tsai got a lot of money but let's not fools thinking entire team will get paid fair share, we most likely would've lost 1 maybe 2 even before this pandemic.

On top of that, the paycuts were minimal, because the Nets did some creative accounting with incentives to lower the cap hits to squeeze in Jordan, but allowing ways (pre-COVID) for players to earn it back.

For example, Durant's incentive for 2019 was based on the Nets winning 43+ games or making the playoffs.

Kyrie's are far more nuanced:

2019 $1 million unlikely incentives
$125,000 each for:
Appear in 70 or more regular season games.
Commit fewer than 2.4 turnovers per game (must appear in 60+ regular season games).
Attempt at least 4.6 free throws per game (must appear in 60+ regular season games).
Shoot at least 88.5% from the free throw line.
Make at least 2.8 three-pointers per game.
Commit fewer than 2.1 fouls per game.
Nets score at least 114 points per 100 possessions with Irving on the floor in the regular season.
Nets allow fewer than 106 points per 100 possessions with Irving on the floor in the regular season.
(@ZachLowe, @BobbyMarks)
2020 $1.05 million unlikely incentives
2021 $1.1 million unlikely incentives
2022 $1.15 million unlikely incentives (@JeffSiegel)

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/kyrie-irving-8051/

[TheNetsFan]

I'm literally unsure what you're talking about. LeBron left Miami to go back to Cleveland, losing raise precentages and a year and then took the shortest deal he could. Did it again in LAL. KD same with GSW, even took a small paycut iirc from full max starting salary, then exactly the same in Brooklyn again... AD could have stuck it out in New Orleans and got a super max and forced his way out instead. Kyrie same with Cleveland and then doubled down by leaving Boston for here. Butler took less years and per year to leave the Sixers.

Come again?

KD came through S&T, took pay cut only because DJ.
Kyrie took pay cut only for DJ. Look up the difference between him and Kemba. Kemba took no pay cuts and got full max through S&T because Hornets went full rebuild.
Beal took entire max and there were no shortened years as you claim, by rule Wiz just couldn't give more.
Butler took entire max via S&T.
PG took full max.
Russ took full max.
Giannis and AD will not be any different than others especially with uncertainty that we going to face soon.
I would not compare Messi, Ronaldo and LBJ to anyone. They different breed.
It'll be hard to predict what Joe going to do. There is few teams that got cap space and young all stars on rookie deals and can go out and spend. We got Dinwiddie coming up too. With owners loosing millions it will be dumb not to predict that changes won't happen. Tsai got a lot of money but let's not fools thinking entire team will get paid fair share, we most likely would've lost 1 maybe 2 even before this pandemic.

It's going to be a rough market for free agents, especially when, not if, when the season gets cancelled.

It'll be interesting to see how the NBA handles the cap. Revenue this year could drop 25+ % and that's what dictates this year's luxury tax & next year's cap.

[Prokorov]

Unbelievable.

I mean, when is the last time a star player, went for the money, so to speak?

Paul George? Westbrook?

Westbrook is a weird, mis-wired dude who cares more about personal accolades then team success and PG was injury riddled and still almost left for LAL and then forced his way to LAC the very next off-season, after forcing his way out of Indiana.

The other big dogs left and/or took short extensions so they could control their futures. LeBron, twice. KD, twice. AD. Kyrie. Butler. Beal took the money, but the ultra short extension. Lillard is like the only guy you can point to on this one.

Barnes, Batum, Kemba, Tobias Harris, DLo, McCollum, these are the kind of guys who take the money, because they have to, in varying degrees, for varying reasons and yet most of them still left as well.

On the list of players that you provided only LBJ took short max deal ( well he made more making movie in LA ). Rest of these players either resigned with team that had bird rights or took full amount and got traded because their teams weren't willing to pay them such money. You just proved my point, none of these players took pay cuts to leave. You twisting narrative your own way won't change the fact that players stilltook most money. PG had no clue he would be traded when he signed neither did Russ. Beal took most team could offer at the moment as Shams reported etc.

Kyrie took a paycut to leave. So did durant. So did Kahwi

[Prokorov]

KD came through S&T, took pay cut only because DJ.

Kd got smaller raises an 1 less year than if he stayed with GSW. you cant get the dull 5 years with max raises/supermax via S&T. he took less than if he stayed

Kyrie took pay cut only for DJ. Look up the difference between him and Kemba. Kemba took no pay cuts and got full max through S&T because Hornets went full rebuild.

Kyrie lost 1 year and raises by coming to the nets. he could have got a 5th year and more money in boston.

[DarkXaero]

not assumptions. it is a certainty giannis wont be back in milwaukee.

Unbelievable.

I mean, when is the last time a star player, went for the money, so to speak?

Paul George? Westbrook?

Westbrook is a weird, mis-wired dude who cares more about personal accolades then team success and PG was injury riddled and still almost left for LAL and then forced his way to LAC the very next off-season, after forcing his way out of Indiana.

The other big dogs left and/or took short extensions so they could control their futures. LeBron, twice. KD, twice. AD. Kyrie. Butler. Beal took the money, but the ultra short extension. Lillard is like the only guy you can point to on this one.

Barnes, Batum, Kemba, Tobias Harris, DLo, McCollum, these are the kind of guys who take the money, because they have to, in varying degrees, for varying reasons and yet most of them still left as well.

You've named plenty of examples yourself. Beal, PG, Westbrook, Dame, Beal. There's also Harden, and you could consider John Wall as well (took the contract pre-injury).

[vincecarter4pres]

Unbelievable.

I mean, when is the last time a star player, went for the money, so to speak?

Paul George? Westbrook?

Westbrook is a weird, mis-wired dude who cares more about personal accolades then team success and PG was injury riddled and still almost left for LAL and then forced his way to LAC the very next off-season, after forcing his way out of Indiana.

The other big dogs left and/or took short extensions so they could control their futures. LeBron, twice. KD, twice. AD. Kyrie. Butler. Beal took the money, but the ultra short extension. Lillard is like the only guy you can point to on this one.

Barnes, Batum, Kemba, Tobias Harris, DLo, McCollum, these are the kind of guys who take the money, because they have to, in varying degrees, for varying reasons and yet most of them still left as well.

You've named plenty of examples yourself. Beal, PG, Westbrook, Dame, Beal. There's also Harden, and you could consider John Wall as well (took the contract pre-injury).

Beal and PG are basically an example of the opposite and honestly I feel like we've moved the goalposts here from the original point/context.

This is essentially about Giannias being gone from Milwaukee and the fact that he'd likely concede a supermax, maximum raise percentages and total years and in all likelihood would do what most of the other superstars who switched teams did and took shorter extensions then what they could have to maintain control.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm just going to say it... Donovan Mitchell.

[DarkXaero]

I mean, when is the last time a star player, went for the money, so to speak?

Paul George? Westbrook?

Westbrook is a weird, mis-wired dude who cares more about personal accolades then team success and PG was injury riddled and still almost left for LAL and then forced his way to LAC the very next off-season, after forcing his way out of Indiana.

The other big dogs left and/or took short extensions so they could control their futures. LeBron, twice. KD, twice. AD. Kyrie. Butler. Beal took the money, but the ultra short extension. Lillard is like the only guy you can point to on this one.

Barnes, Batum, Kemba, Tobias Harris, DLo, McCollum, these are the kind of guys who take the money, because they have to, in varying degrees, for varying reasons and yet most of them still left as well.

You've named plenty of examples yourself. Beal, PG, Westbrook, Dame, Beal. There's also Harden, and you could consider John Wall as well (took the contract pre-injury).

Beal and PG are basically an example of the opposite and honestly I feel like we've moved the goalposts here from the original point/context.

This is essentially about Giannias being gone from Milwaukee and the fact that he'd likely concede a supermax, maximum raise percentages and total years and in all likelihood would do what most of the other superstars who switched teams did and took shorter extensions then what they could have to maintain control.

I think it's far from a certainty that Giannis is gone. Sure, Milwaukee sucks, and it is a small market team, no matter what, but they're legitimately the top threat in the East, and perhaps the NBA. They have a deep team that is built around Giannis' strengths, and they have one of the very best head coaches in the NBA. So if he's leaving, it's not because Milwaukee can't win, it's because he wants to be in a big market (and another winning situation obviously). But from what I've seen, Giannis might not be the type to make the big market move. I'm not betting on him staying, but I'm not betting on him leaving either.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I'm just going to say it... Donovan Mitchell.

He’s not the one that’s gonna get moved.

I’d like to get something like this done

Dinwiddie, Allen, Temple

For

Gobert

It’s a little short salary wise and one of Musa or Pinson would have to be added but that’s not a deal breaker for either side.

[DarkXaero]

I'm just going to say it... Donovan Mitchell.

A bit surprising to hear this talk out of nowhere right now, but I don't think Jazz would move him if they had to pick between the two. He's still on his rookie deal, and they have his RFA rights. Gobert is an UFA after next season on the other hand.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm just going to say it... Donovan Mitchell.

He’s not the one that’s gonna get moved.

I’d like to get something like this done

Dinwiddie, Allen, Temple

For

Gobert

It’s a little short salary wise and one of Musa or Pinson would have to be added but that’s not a deal breaker for either side.

I'm just going to say it... Donovan Mitchell.

A bit surprising to hear this talk out of nowhere right now, but I don't think Jazz would move him if they had to pick between the two. He's still on his rookie deal, and they have his RFA rights. Gobert is an UFA after next season on the other hand.

Although I agree it's a lot more likely from the Jazz perspective that Gobert is moved, they probably can't get a ton for him.

But the actual important thing is, is Mitchell and his camp trying to force their way out of Utah now?

You have to imagine they'll dump Rudy in a last ditch effort before they move on from Mitchell unless their hand is fully forced though. In fact when the original Coronavirus Gobert news broke months ago I immediately thought it would cause big waves and he'd become available this off-season for a song. As good as he is, he's still just a rim running big man whose strictly a center and is a bit difficult to leave in, in end game situations and is inked to a huge contract. He probably already only had limited value, this has crushed it. Definitely an opportunity for a team such as us, or Boston, or maybe say, Chicago to swoop in and snap him up for salary filler and peanuts. Problem is we'd have to give up good players to get him just to match.

[DarkXaero]

I'm just going to say it... Donovan Mitchell.

He’s not the one that’s gonna get moved.

I’d like to get something like this done

Dinwiddie, Allen, Temple

For

Gobert

It’s a little short salary wise and one of Musa or Pinson would have to be added but that’s not a deal breaker for either side.

I'm just going to say it... Donovan Mitchell.

A bit surprising to hear this talk out of nowhere right now, but I don't think Jazz would move him if they had to pick between the two. He's still on his rookie deal, and they have his RFA rights. Gobert is an UFA after next season on the other hand.

Although I agree it's a lot more likely from the Jazz perspective that Gobert is moved, they probably can't get a ton for him.

But the actual important thing is, is Mitchell and his camp trying to force their way out of Utah now?

You have to imagine they'll dump Rudy in a last ditch effort before they move on from Mitchell unless their hand is fully forced though. In fact when the original Coronavirus Gobert news broke months ago I immediately thought it would cause big waves and he'd become available this off-season for a song. As good as he is, he's still just a rim running big man whose strictly a center and is a bit difficult to leave in, in end game situations and is inked to a huge contract. He probably already only had limited value, this has crushed it. Definitely an opportunity for a team such as us, or Boston, or maybe say, Chicago to swoop in and snap him up for salary filler and peanuts. Problem is we'd have to give up good players to get him just to match.

It is kinda hard to value Gobert, because he is an elite defensive anchor in the regular season, and he has been undoubtedly the Jazz best player over the past few years in regular season. However, you're right, in the end, he's a rim running big man with very limited offense, and flaws that get exposed in the playoffs (defensively). I think getting him would make us the #1 seed in the East, but you have to think about how much he can contribute in the playoffs. And despite him being an expiring contract next season, I think the cost to get him will still be high. I think it would take Dinwiddie/Levert + Jarrett Allen to start the conversation, which is quite a bit to give up imo.