2020 NBA Draft II

[Roddy B for 3]

Maybe 90% of current Ibaka for Reed

If we are comparing current Ibaka, I don’t think that’s fair. Ibaka can actually play the 5 full-time. Reed couldn’t do that. If we are comparing him to Ibaka playing the 4, then I think it is comparable.

Comparing young Reed to young Ibaka, I’d say Reed is closer to 70% Ibaka.

I'm confident Reed is going to develop a three pont shot. Maybe Maxi Kleber is a better comp for Reed. I think Reed has great hands on defense, I don't project him to be a prolific shoot blocker though.

Shades of Thadeus Young as well imo.

[Catchall]

Spoiler:

Toppin has to be the most controversial prospect in this draft, no?

If not him, maybe Ball?

Everyone seems to be split on Toppin.

I don’t think so at all. We all know how good Toppin is, the only reason he might be controversial is that isn’t an ideal type of prospect. You can’t only look at the draft numerically and be right, that’s not how life works. The way the NBA plays changes every couple of years so the things teams look for are different now than they were even 4 years ago. So the sample size of what works Year to year is different. A trend right now in the draft is to draft older guys sooner because they can actually be really good. You can’t go with the same strategy every year with the draft because while Toppin might have fallen in other drafts just because of his age, teams now don’t want to miss out on an older player if they’re drafting sooner. This draft is also pretty busty at the top and Toppin makes a lot of sense top 5.

I’ve never been high on LaMelo and I personally wouldn’t want to pay him lottery money. He has natural talent for the game, but he’s terrible at thinking the game. He’s not a student of the game. He is super talented though and by his second contract he might be more interesting. If I’m a tanking team and I’m looking far into the future, I take him. I also just don’t think he helps create a winning culture and I don’t think he’s a good role model. Dude isn’t a leader and I cannot see him leading a team in his career. But he’s young, maybe he matures, but so far I don’t think he has. Even if he was going to be an NBA player, it’s terrible he doesn’t value learning and going school (talking about high school, not college). He reminds me a lot of the Andrew Wiggins first pick overall.

When was the last time a 22 year old was drafted top 5?

Damian Lillard turned 22 less than 3 weeks after the 2012 draft, in which he was picked 6th.

[getrichordie]

Spoiler:

I don’t think so at all. We all know how good Toppin is, the only reason he might be controversial is that isn’t an ideal type of prospect. You can’t only look at the draft numerically and be right, that’s not how life works. The way the NBA plays changes every couple of years so the things teams look for are different now than they were even 4 years ago. So the sample size of what works Year to year is different. A trend right now in the draft is to draft older guys sooner because they can actually be really good. You can’t go with the same strategy every year with the draft because while Toppin might have fallen in other drafts just because of his age, teams now don’t want to miss out on an older player if they’re drafting sooner. This draft is also pretty busty at the top and Toppin makes a lot of sense top 5.

I’ve never been high on LaMelo and I personally wouldn’t want to pay him lottery money. He has natural talent for the game, but he’s terrible at thinking the game. He’s not a student of the game. He is super talented though and by his second contract he might be more interesting. If I’m a tanking team and I’m looking far into the future, I take him. I also just don’t think he helps create a winning culture and I don’t think he’s a good role model. Dude isn’t a leader and I cannot see him leading a team in his career. But he’s young, maybe he matures, but so far I don’t think he has. Even if he was going to be an NBA player, it’s terrible he doesn’t value learning and going school (talking about high school, not college). He reminds me a lot of the Andrew Wiggins first pick overall.

When was the last time a 22 year old was drafted top 5?

Damian Lillard turned 22 less than 3 weeks after the 2012 draft, in which he was picked 6th.

Still doesn't answer my question. And Toppin will be almost 22 years old and 3 months.

[Jamaaliver]

[GimmeDat]

I've been loving Spencer's layout on these ^

[getrichordie]

What do you guys think about Osasumwen Osaghae?

I’ve seen quite a few people say he has the ability to guard 1-5 though I highly doubt that is the case, but he does have great tools. 6’9-6’10. 250 lbs. 7’3 wingspan. #1 in blocked shots in NCAA Division 1 basketball this year.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I think Oturu is underrated on here. He's the kind of player that could later become a star. How many big men in this draft are athletic and have a better offensive skill-set?

Facts

[getrichordie]

Alright guys... finally went through my third comb-through of my Top 60 big board. Got them separated into tiers and everything. Spent a ton of work analyzing stats and film.

Would anyone please be so kind as to vet my board? I'm sure there will be disagreements, but please let me know what you think and what jumps out to you. Thanks!

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1948518&p=82317297#p82317297

[CoreyVillains]

Just finished and uploaded my latest Prospect Breakdown video on Anthony Edwards. I have him as number 1 on my draft board. His offensive package and physical gifts are bananas. But don’t worry I hit on his weaknesses as well.

Watch on YouTube

[clyde21]

top2 tier

TIER 1
⦁ R.J. HAMPTON
⦁ ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
⦁ TYRESE MAXEY
⦁ OBI TOPPIN
⦁ JOSH GREEN
⦁ TYRESE HALIBURTON
⦁ COLE ANTHONY
⦁ NICO MANNION
⦁ ONYEKA OKONGWU
⦁ TYLER BEY
⦁ LEANDRO BOLMARO

[azcatz11]

top2 tier

TIER 1
⦁ R.J. HAMPTON
⦁ ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
⦁ TYRESE MAXEY
⦁ OBI TOPPIN
⦁ JOSH GREEN
⦁ TYRESE HALIBURTON
⦁ COLE ANTHONY
⦁ NICO MANNION
⦁ ONYEKA OKONGWU
⦁ TYLER BEY
⦁ LEANDRO BOLMARO

Where are you at with Nnaji? Late 1st or early 2nd?

[getrichordie]

top2 tier

TIER 1
⦁ R.J. HAMPTON
⦁ ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
⦁ TYRESE MAXEY
⦁ OBI TOPPIN
⦁ JOSH GREEN
⦁ TYRESE HALIBURTON
⦁ COLE ANTHONY
⦁ NICO MANNION
⦁ ONYEKA OKONGWU
⦁ TYLER BEY
⦁ LEANDRO BOLMARO

Mannion but no Maledon?

I just can’t get behind Mannion. What are you seeing with him? I see him as good value as a back up in the back end of the 1st.

[getrichordie]

top2 tier

TIER 1
⦁ R.J. HAMPTON
⦁ ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
⦁ TYRESE MAXEY
⦁ OBI TOPPIN
⦁ JOSH GREEN
⦁ TYRESE HALIBURTON
⦁ COLE ANTHONY
⦁ NICO MANNION
⦁ ONYEKA OKONGWU
⦁ TYLER BEY
⦁ LEANDRO BOLMARO

Where are you at with Nnaji? Late 1st or early 2nd?

I personally have Nnaji in the late 1st and early 2nd range. Don’t think he slips past #33. Could go as high as #24 depending on if a team falls in love with him as a big.

[clyde21]

top2 tier

TIER 1
⦁ R.J. HAMPTON
⦁ ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
⦁ TYRESE MAXEY
⦁ OBI TOPPIN
⦁ JOSH GREEN
⦁ TYRESE HALIBURTON
⦁ COLE ANTHONY
⦁ NICO MANNION
⦁ ONYEKA OKONGWU
⦁ TYLER BEY
⦁ LEANDRO BOLMARO

Where are you at with Nnaji? Late 1st or early 2nd?

yea, around that range is a decent spot for him I think depending on fit.

[clyde21]

top2 tier

TIER 1
⦁ R.J. HAMPTON
⦁ ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
⦁ TYRESE MAXEY
⦁ OBI TOPPIN
⦁ JOSH GREEN
⦁ TYRESE HALIBURTON
⦁ COLE ANTHONY
⦁ NICO MANNION
⦁ ONYEKA OKONGWU
⦁ TYLER BEY
⦁ LEANDRO BOLMARO

Mannion but no Maledon?

I just can’t get behind Mannion. What are you seeing with him? I see him as good value as a back up in the back end of the 1st.

not a Maledon guy at this point, pretty marginal physical profile, don't see a lot of suddenness, don't see elite playmaking or shooting, defense is meh...what's his selling point? especially in a deep guard class.

[karkinos]

am i crazy to think that when i read that tre jones profile i think of a young kyle lowry?

[getrichordie]

top2 tier

TIER 1
⦁ R.J. HAMPTON
⦁ ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
⦁ TYRESE MAXEY
⦁ OBI TOPPIN
⦁ JOSH GREEN
⦁ TYRESE HALIBURTON
⦁ COLE ANTHONY
⦁ NICO MANNION
⦁ ONYEKA OKONGWU
⦁ TYLER BEY
⦁ LEANDRO BOLMARO

Mannion but no Maledon?

I just can’t get behind Mannion. What are you seeing with him? I see him as good value as a back up in the back end of the 1st.

not a Maledon guy at this point, pretty marginal physical profile, don't see a lot of suddenness, don't see elite playmaking or shooting, defense is meh...what's his selling point? especially in a deep guard class.

He’s not flashy and doesn’t have world-beating athleticism, but I think as he gets stronger, he’s going to be a better defender and I think he’s one of those guys that’s going to benefit with more spacing in the NBA. He’s still super young. Doesn’t turn 19 until a couple of weeks before the draft.

He’s flashed some serious chops in the passing department. He’s a good passer, not great right now but I think that gets even better the more he plays. I also think he has shown promising flashes finishing with good touch around the rim.

Also, I think his defense projects to be better than Mannion’s and I think the more he gets a feel for playing point, he’s going to get more decisive and have a better impact on units he runs.

If I’m not mistaken, he hasn’t been playing point that long.

[bondom34]

am i crazy to think that when i read that tre jones profile i think of a young kyle lowry?

Think I heard this comp on a podcast recently too. Vecenie or Dave Dufour maybe? I think he's grown on me, if OKC took him late first I'd probably be fne with it. Don't know if the ceiling is high but he's a likely backup PG at minimum which is take in the 20s.

[clyde21]

Mannion but no Maledon?

I just can’t get behind Mannion. What are you seeing with him? I see him as good value as a back up in the back end of the 1st.

not a Maledon guy at this point, pretty marginal physical profile, don't see a lot of suddenness, don't see elite playmaking or shooting, defense is meh...what's his selling point? especially in a deep guard class.

He’s not flashy and doesn’t have world-beating athleticism, but I think as he gets stronger, he’s going to be a better defender and I think he’s one of those guys that’s going to benefit with more spacing in the NBA. He’s still super young. Doesn’t turn 19 until a couple of weeks before the draft.

He’s flashed some serious chops in the passing department. He’s a good passer, not great right now but I think that gets even better the more he plays. I also think he has shown promising flashes finishing with good touch around the rim.

Also, I think his defense projects to be better than Mannion’s and I think the more he gets a feel for playing point, he’s going to get more decisive and have a better impact on units he runs.

If I’m not mistaken, he hasn’t been playing point that long.

i mean, he's a decent enough passer, nothing really special in that department, but if he doesn't have a lot shot creation ability he'd need to be an elite passer, right now he's not very sophisticated shooter or shot creator so why are you gonna put the ball in his hands if he's not gonna run offense at a top notch level...yea he's young but being young isn't the answer to everything...there should be a clear path to success there and I'm not sure I see it with Maledon at this point

who knows tho we'll see, i don't have a great track record judging international guys so take it with a grain of salt.

[big-shot-ROB]

Does anyone see a little bit of Fultz in Maxey's game? (NBA Fultz, not Draft prospect Fultz).