OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

Rep. James Clyburn is one of the biggest recipients of big pharma money. Hmmm

says the biggest inhalant of weed money

I’m a small pharma supporter. Speaking of which, where TF is my guy?

[Clyde_Style]

I didn’t know that. Thanks. But how badly do poor South Carolinians need healthcare?

I do not believe that South Carolina expanded Medicaid under the ACA.

the republican governors (Nimrata Randhawa aka Nikki Haley, Henry McMaster, etc.) certainly didn't help. But they really need it badly.

Nimrata?

Nikki Haley is a dumpster fire. She's angling for Trump's VP slot. She's already playing the media set-em-up game for Trump by going on the pundit shows and saying the members of the Covid-19 Task Force, aka Pence, should be held accountable for the response failures, not Trump. If Trump dumps Pence, I'd expect Haley to be the VP.

[Clyde_Style]

Rep. James Clyburn is one of the biggest recipients of big pharma money. Hmmm

says the biggest inhalant of weed money

I’m a small pharma supporter. Speaking of which, where TF is my guy?

fly fishing six feet from your front door with your dime dangling from a fish hook

[Phish Tank]

I didn’t know that. Thanks. But how badly do poor South Carolinians need healthcare?

I do not believe that South Carolina expanded Medicaid under the ACA.

the republican governors (Nimrata Randhawa aka Nikki Haley, Henry McMaster, etc.) certainly didn't help. But they really need it badly.

Nimrata?

clowns get referred to by their government names.

[Clyde_Style]

I do think Klobuchar may be the favorite to get the VP nod.

You could reasonably say she tipped the scales in favor of Biden and he owes his nomination to her more than any other single person. That might have gotten her the biggest IOU among all of the potential women candidates.

[Clyde_Style]

the republican governors (Nimrata Randhawa aka Nikki Haley, Henry McMaster, etc.) certainly didn't help. But they really need it badly.

Nimrata?

clowns get referred to by their government names.

Haley was born Nimrata Randhawa to a Punjabi-American Sikh family in Bamberg, South Carolina. She has always been called Nikki by her family, which means "Little One" in Punjabi.

Little Hands/Little One 2020?

[HarthorneWingo]

Well damn

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[BKlutch]

Are we allowed to talk about how the Clinton campaign tried to smear Obama by circulating photos of him wearing African garbs?

At least it wasn't cyber-bulling though

Had his full name “Barack Hussein Obama” on that photo I think.

Even if I would never vote for him, I did respect McCain for this:

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This was still a time when you could be fierce political enemies but not invent lies that you peddle as the truth, and when you could recognize the humanity of another who is opposed to your views.

Of course, there were always liars, thieves, and fascists in politics, but we never had one as president in recent memory, until now.

[Clyde_Style]

Well damn

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These are the people you want in the foxhole with you? Geezus

[HarthorneWingo]

Well damn

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These are the people you want in the foxhole with you? Geezus

You can tell her. I’d rather be in a fox hole with her than most. At least with her I know we’ll go down swinging.

Hey, at least she’s pushing for the right things.

[Clyde_Style]

Had his full name “Barack Hussein Obama” on that photo I think.

Even if I would never vote for him, I did respect McCain for this:

Watch on YouTube

This was still a time when you could be fierce political enemies but not invent lies that you peddle as the truth, and when you could recognize the humanity of another who is opposed to your views.

Of course, there were always liars, thieves, and fascists in politics, but we never had one as president in recent memory, until now.

I'd say Dick Cheney was a fairly evil President.

Trump takes the cake hands down though

[BKlutch]

Even if I would never vote for him, I did respect McCain for this:

Watch on YouTube

This was still a time when you could be fierce political enemies but not invent lies that you peddle as the truth, and when you could recognize the humanity of another who is opposed to your views.

Of course, there were always liars, thieves, and fascists in politics, but we never had one as president in recent memory, until now.

I'd say Dick Cheney was a fairly evil President.

Trump takes the cake hands down though

Technically, Cheney was not legally recognized as President by anyone other than Bush.

[j4remi]

Rep. James Clyburn is one of the biggest recipients of big pharma money. Hmmm

Yeah, I think it would have been a completely wasted effort to push hard for Clyburn's endorsement, it wasn't in the cards.

[j4remi]

This was going to be my question as well, so I'm glad you answered it for Phish.

I'm not sure I'm subscribing to the logic that a Warren endorsement would have solidified things for Bernie though.

In December, the polling on who was the 2nd choice for Warren voters showed the split like this:

Bernie - 30%
Biden - 20%
Pete - 15%

So based on the result of Warren dropping out, Bernie slightly overperformed with Warren voters. If she removed herself from Super Tuesday, and Bernie wins 2 out of the 4 close states that you referenced above, what does that change other than the narrative, slightly?

Biden still ends the night as the delegate leader, and still racks up his wins on Super Tuesday II.

I totally agree that Liz should have dropped when everyone else did and give Bernie a clear shot at Biden, even if it probably doesn't change much. Her staying in was pointless, and once it became clear the party was coalescing to stop Bernie, she should have done her part as a progressive. I do think she was right to withhold her endorsement though, strictly speaking from the POV of her own ambitions to steer the direction of the party down the line.

Getting back to the Clyburn thing, I didn't mean that Bernie should have given a token request for the endorsement. I mean Bernie should have pursued it all out and performed some coalition building to secure it. He was never going anywhere in the primary without the black vote. That was a major takeaway from 2016, IMO.

I think that would have taken his campaign from conditional circumstances (needing the field to stay crowded, relying on the youth vote, hoping new voters show up) to something that has a real foundation.

Was such a thing possible? I don't know, but I doubt Bernie made the effort.

You're free to think Warren's endorsement wouldn't move the scale at all. But I think it's mistaken to use polling from December, this article's pulling Morning Consult numbers from late February (latest I could find on a quick search) and has Warren supporters breaking for Sanders more than 2 to 1.

While Biden seems to benefit the most from Bloomberg dropping out, Sanders is the candidate who would most likely benefit from Warren ending her campaign. Forty percent of likely Democratic voters who support Warren said Sanders would be their second choice, according to a Morning Consult poll of 13,428 likely Democratic voters conducted in late February. Biden was the second choice for 16 percent of her supporters.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-poised-win-big-if-mike-bloomberg-supporters-vote-their-second-choice-new-poll-shows-1490582

Of course, polling data is always tough. I'm sure there were results all over the place. But I don't think it's just an assumption that Warren dropping out and endorsing Bernie prior to Super Tuesday doesn't shift the entire narrative. Hindsight is 20/20 but heading into Super Tuesday, the discussions we were having were completely different. If Bernie takes 3 or 4 more states on Super Tuesday especially if one of them is Texas, I don't think you can just assume the polling breaks the way it did.

[j4remi]

Warren took away as many votes from Bernie as Bloomberg took from Biden, so it was really evened out

I still think it was a mistake to not rally around her when she started surging. Would've been a real compromise candidate between the progressives and moderates, plus she's young enough to go for a 2nd term

I'm gonna keep saying she should be Biden's VP, then she can run in 24 and we get 12 years of a Dem president, which hasn't been done since FDR/Truman

But also, I've been a big Warren fan from the start, so I'm a bit biased

The big difference is that Bloomberg was DEFINITELY staying in for Super Tuesday. His campaign ignored the first four states and aimed for that day. Warren was in the same boat as Pete and Klobuchar; they were essentially dead in the water. So Warren dropping out to endorse Bernie is a plausible scenario, Bloomberg dropping out at that point isn't realistic.

I'm legitimately curious to see who Biden picks for VP. I'd probably prefer Warren play a key role in the transition team and take on a bigger leadership role in the Senate tbh.

[HarthorneWingo]

Rep. James Clyburn is one of the biggest recipients of big pharma money. Hmmm

Yeah, I think it would have been a completely wasted effort to push hard for Clyburn's endorsement, it wasn't in the cards.

True, but what is the older black voter pov on that? They need healthcare and Clyburn's getting rich. Can't they think for themselves?

[HarthorneWingo]

This was still a time when you could be fierce political enemies but not invent lies that you peddle as the truth, and when you could recognize the humanity of another who is opposed to your views.

Of course, there were always liars, thieves, and fascists in politics, but we never had one as president in recent memory, until now.

I'd say Dick Cheney was a fairly evil President.

Trump takes the cake hands down though

Technically, Cheney was not legally recognized as President by anyone other than Bush.

If you know that Bush recognized Cheney as President, then you don't know Dick. Bada bing, bada boom.

Another mofo that just won't die! I imagine Dick's head (no pun intended) will live on forever.

[HarthorneWingo]

The chickens have come home to roost indeed.

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[Clyde_Style]

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[HarthorneWingo]

Undocumented “illegal” farm workers, garbage workers, etc. are now deemed “essential workers” due to the virus. You think this will ever sink in with Americans?