Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[Cactus Jack]

https://forge.medium.com/prepare-for-the-ultimate-gaslighting-6a8ce3f0a0e0

Awesome read

Thanks for sharing. Great article.

[nymets1]

I was watching MSNBC and Florida has no new reported cases today. That's really good and we're past 3pm. But than I checked bing.com/covid and worldometers and they show Florida has new reported cases today.

[homecourtloss]

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Hold the NBA playoffs in Greenland.

[Mamba Mentality]

A coronavirus vaccine could be available for the general public by September, a University of Oxford professor has said.

Sarah Gilbert, a professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, is leading a team of researchers in the development of a vaccine that would protect the world against Covid-19.

In an interview with The Times, the professor said that she and her team have already created a potential vaccine that is due to begin human trials within two weeks.

She told the paper she is "80%" confident of its success, "based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine".

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-autumn-says-oxford-professor-sarah-gilbert/

[Pharmcat]

A coronavirus vaccine could be available for the general public by September, a University of Oxford professor has said.

Sarah Gilbert, a professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, is leading a team of researchers in the development of a vaccine that would protect the world against Covid-19.

In an interview with The Times, the professor said that she and her team have already created a potential vaccine that is due to begin human trials within two weeks.

She told the paper she is "80%" confident of its success, "based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine".

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-autumn-says-oxford-professor-sarah-gilbert/

does that include the logistics aka mass creation and distribution

[Mamba Mentality]

A coronavirus vaccine could be available for the general public by September, a University of Oxford professor has said.

Sarah Gilbert, a professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, is leading a team of researchers in the development of a vaccine that would protect the world against Covid-19.

In an interview with The Times, the professor said that she and her team have already created a potential vaccine that is due to begin human trials within two weeks.

She told the paper she is "80%" confident of its success, "based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine".

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-autumn-says-oxford-professor-sarah-gilbert/

does that include the logistics aka mass creation and distribution

In order for the vaccine to be distributed in the autumn, Professor Gilbert says the Government will need to start production before it is proven to work.

She told the paper: "We don't want to get to later this year and discover we have a highly effective vaccine and we haven't got any vaccine to use."

[theonlyclutch]

A coronavirus vaccine could be available for the general public by September, a University of Oxford professor has said.

Sarah Gilbert, a professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, is leading a team of researchers in the development of a vaccine that would protect the world against Covid-19.

In an interview with The Times, the professor said that she and her team have already created a potential vaccine that is due to begin human trials within two weeks.

She told the paper she is "80%" confident of its success, "based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine".

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-autumn-says-oxford-professor-sarah-gilbert/

Widespread effective treatment/vaccination really, really needs to be made available by the 2nd half of the year. Even the places which are having successes in controlling the immediate effects of the outbreak will have a heck of a time dealing with the economic devastation if it goes on much longer.

[Zenzibar]

https://www.fort-russ.com/amp/2020/04/robert-f-kennedy-jr-exposes-bill-gates-vaccine-dictatorship-plan-cites-gates-twisted-messiah-complex/?__twitter_impression=true
"Promising to eradicate Polio with $1.2 billion, Gates took control of India ‘s National Advisory Board (NAB) and mandated 50 polio vaccines (up from 5) to every child before age 5. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian Government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and evicted Gates and his cronies from the NAB. Polio paralysis rates dropped precipitously. In 2017, the World Health Organization reluctantly admitted that the global polio explosion is predominantly vaccine strain, meaning it is coming from Gates’ Vaccine Program. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, the Philippines, and Afghanistan are all linked to Gates’ vaccines. By 2018, ¾ of global polio cases were from Gates’ vaccines."

Excellent post.

The evil fan Gates Foundation.

My question is, are these motherfkers going to mandate being vaccinated by law? Then what?
More sicknesses? More money for big Pharma?

Pre-face this by saying no flu vaccines and no flu for 10 years.

Nah, that article is not reputable at all and that story about the Gates foundation is a lie.

Vaccines actually reduce profits for big pharma, they would make plenty more money from treatments.

The only reason they sell vaccines is if they didn't then some other company would. It also gives them good press and good standing with governments.

Pure Ignorant talk.

Allow me. Not all vaccines are created equal. Unbeknown to women in Honduras, they were given syphilis to test vaccines during the 1940's. FYI, in the 40's the U.S. had an epidemic of syphilis, even the infamous Al Capone died of it. Meanwhile in Guatemala, of the more than 1300 individuals infected, only 678 were treated after the viral introduction.

You got Google? Look this up...

The syphilis experiments in Guatemala were United States-led human experiments conducted in Guatemala from 1946 to 1948. The experiments were led by physician John Charles Cutler who also participated in the late stages of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment (conducted between 1932 and 1972). During this particular infamous experiment, Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects.

While you are at it...

The Guatemalan experiment resulted in at least, aka reported 83 deaths.[1] Serology studies continued through 1953 involving the same vulnerable populations, in addition to children from state-run schools, an orphanage, and rural towns,....

Just one more read....

The goal of this experiment was to find a more suitable STD prophylaxis, by infecting human subjects recruited from prison populations with gonorrhea. Though at first, the idea of using human subjects was controversial, the support of Dr. Thomas Parran, and Executive Officer of the U.S. Army Medical Corps, Colonel John A Rodgers allowed Dr. John F. Mahoney and Dr. Cassius J. Van Slyke to begin implementing the experiments. Dr. John Cutler, a young associate of Dr. Mahoney, helped conduct the experiments, and went on to lead the Guatemala Syphilis Experiment.

Read: A documented subject profile provides a detailed description of what the subjects faced within this experiment:
Psoriasis and syphilis; lesions on face and body, 1866 Wellcome V0010104

Berta was a female patient in the Psychiatric Hospital... in February 1948, Berta was injected in her left arm with syphilis. A month later, she developed scabies (an itchy skin infection cause by a mite). Several weeks later, Dr. Cutler noted that she also developed red bumps where he had injected her arm, lesions on her arms and legs, and her skin was beginning to waste away from her body. Berta was not treated for syphilis until three months after her injection. Soon after, on August 23, Dr. Cutler wrote that Berta appeared as if she was going to die, but he did not specify why. That same day he put gonorrheal pus from another male subject into both of Berta's eyes, as well as in her urethra and rectum. He also re-infected her with syphilis. Several days later, Berta's eyes were filled with pus from the gonorrhea, and she was bleeding from her urethra. Three days later, on August 27, Berta died.[4][10]

So GTFO with your, "the story of the Gates Foundation is a lie". Do some fkn research and you'll stop replying ignorantly. The Gates Foundation has already been accused of unethical cervical cancer testings.

Look it up son, there're tons of articles, then come back to me.

So go ahead and just get "vaccinated" for the fk of it. Better get the serial number of the vaccine batch you're going to let them poke your butt cheek with.

[michaelm]

Excellent post.

The evil fan Gates Foundation.

My question is, are these motherfkers going to mandate being vaccinated by law? Then what?
More sicknesses? More money for big Pharma?

Pre-face this by saying no flu vaccines and no flu for 10 years.

Nah, that article is not reputable at all and that story about the Gates foundation is a lie.

Vaccines actually reduce profits for big pharma, they would make plenty more money from treatments.

The only reason they sell vaccines is if they didn't then some other company would. It also gives them good press and good standing with governments.

Pure Ignorant talk.

Allow me. Not all vaccines are created equal. Unbeknown to women in Honduras, they were given syphilis to test vaccines during the 1940's. FYI, in the 40's the U.S. had an epidemic of syphilis, even the infamous Al Capone died of it. Meanwhile in Guatemala, of the more than 1300 individuals infected, only 678 were treated after the viral introduction.

You got Google? Look this up...

The syphilis experiments in Guatemala were United States-led human experiments conducted in Guatemala from 1946 to 1948. The experiments were led by physician John Charles Cutler who also participated in the late stages of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment (conducted between 1932 and 1972). During this particular infamous experiment, Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects.

While you are at it...

The Guatemalan experiment resulted in at least, aka reported 83 deaths.[1] Serology studies continued through 1953 involving the same vulnerable populations, in addition to children from state-run schools, an orphanage, and rural towns,....

Just one more read....

The goal of this experiment was to find a more suitable STD prophylaxis, by infecting human subjects recruited from prison populations with gonorrhea. Though at first, the idea of using human subjects was controversial, the support of Dr. Thomas Parran, and Executive Officer of the U.S. Army Medical Corps, Colonel John A Rodgers allowed Dr. John F. Mahoney and Dr. Cassius J. Van Slyke to begin implementing the experiments. Dr. John Cutler, a young associate of Dr. Mahoney, helped conduct the experiments, and went on to lead the Guatemala Syphilis Experiment.

Read: A documented subject profile provides a detailed description of what the subjects faced within this experiment:
Psoriasis and syphilis; lesions on face and body, 1866 Wellcome V0010104

Berta was a female patient in the Psychiatric Hospital... in February 1948, Berta was injected in her left arm with syphilis. A month later, she developed scabies (an itchy skin infection cause by a mite). Several weeks later, Dr. Cutler noted that she also developed red bumps where he had injected her arm, lesions on her arms and legs, and her skin was beginning to waste away from her body. Berta was not treated for syphilis until three months after her injection. Soon after, on August 23, Dr. Cutler wrote that Berta appeared as if she was going to die, but he did not specify why. That same day he put gonorrheal pus from another male subject into both of Berta's eyes, as well as in her urethra and rectum. He also re-infected her with syphilis. Several days later, Berta's eyes were filled with pus from the gonorrhea, and she was bleeding from her urethra. Three days later, on August 27, Berta died.[4][10]

So GTFO with your, "the story of the Gates Foundation is a lie". Do some fkn research and you'll stop replying ignorantly. The Gates Foundation has already been accused of unethical cervical cancer testings.

Look it up son, there're tons of articles, then come back to me.

So go ahead and just get "vaccinated" for the fk of it. Better get the serial number of the vaccine batch you're going to let them poke your butt cheek with.

I can see there could potentially be a problem with mass vaccinating third world populations who may be malnourished etc.

People of my parent’s generation in Australia died of diphtheria however, and if you wish to be anecdotal one of my uncles contracted polio at age 19 and could only walk with calipers and on crutches for the rest of his life. Not a lot of diphtheria or poliomyelitis in Australia now, nor of smallpox worldwide which was such a scourge for centuries.

[molepharmer]

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-autumn-says-oxford-professor-sarah-gilbert/

does that include the logistics aka mass creation and distribution

In order for the vaccine to be distributed in the autumn, Professor Gilbert says the Government will need to start production before it is proven to work.

She told the paper: "We don't want to get to later this year and discover we have a highly effective vaccine and we haven't got any vaccine to use."

Here are some possible experts reaction to the Vaccitech's (i.e. Gibert et al) vaccine potential.
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-times-interview-about-vaccines-with-prof-sarah-gilbert/

from Prof D Salisbury "...It is also worth remembering that too often the bottle necks for vaccine production are at the last stages – batch testing, freeze drying, filling and finishing: again, capacities that governments do not have”

from Prof B Wren "...Desperate times require desperate measures, so upscaling and manufacture would be justified before data is fully known. Even if the vaccine didn’t prove effective, this would be a useful trial run for the manufacture of alternative Covid-19 vaccines and vaccines against other viral and bacterial diseases.”

It would be good to see something proactive for a change; that is. the building up the infrastructure to be ready and waiting to scale up production of a vaccine when needed. Clearly there is some scale up capacity now, but these are times when even that capacity needs to be significantly increased.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Excellent post.

The evil fan Gates Foundation.

My question is, are these motherfkers going to mandate being vaccinated by law? Then what?
More sicknesses? More money for big Pharma?

Pre-face this by saying no flu vaccines and no flu for 10 years.

Nah, that article is not reputable at all and that story about the Gates foundation is a lie.

Vaccines actually reduce profits for big pharma, they would make plenty more money from treatments.

The only reason they sell vaccines is if they didn't then some other company would. It also gives them good press and good standing with governments.

Pure Ignorant talk.

Allow me. Not all vaccines are created equal. Unbeknown to women in Honduras, they were given syphilis to test vaccines during the 1940's. FYI, in the 40's the U.S. had an epidemic of syphilis, even the infamous Al Capone died of it. Meanwhile in Guatemala, of the more than 1300 individuals infected, only 678 were treated after the viral introduction.

You got Google? Look this up...

The syphilis experiments in Guatemala were United States-led human experiments conducted in Guatemala from 1946 to 1948. The experiments were led by physician John Charles Cutler who also participated in the late stages of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment (conducted between 1932 and 1972). During this particular infamous experiment, Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects.

While you are at it...

The Guatemalan experiment resulted in at least, aka reported 83 deaths.[1] Serology studies continued through 1953 involving the same vulnerable populations, in addition to children from state-run schools, an orphanage, and rural towns,....

Just one more read....

The goal of this experiment was to find a more suitable STD prophylaxis, by infecting human subjects recruited from prison populations with gonorrhea. Though at first, the idea of using human subjects was controversial, the support of Dr. Thomas Parran, and Executive Officer of the U.S. Army Medical Corps, Colonel John A Rodgers allowed Dr. John F. Mahoney and Dr. Cassius J. Van Slyke to begin implementing the experiments. Dr. John Cutler, a young associate of Dr. Mahoney, helped conduct the experiments, and went on to lead the Guatemala Syphilis Experiment.

Read: A documented subject profile provides a detailed description of what the subjects faced within this experiment:
Psoriasis and syphilis; lesions on face and body, 1866 Wellcome V0010104

Berta was a female patient in the Psychiatric Hospital... in February 1948, Berta was injected in her left arm with syphilis. A month later, she developed scabies (an itchy skin infection cause by a mite). Several weeks later, Dr. Cutler noted that she also developed red bumps where he had injected her arm, lesions on her arms and legs, and her skin was beginning to waste away from her body. Berta was not treated for syphilis until three months after her injection. Soon after, on August 23, Dr. Cutler wrote that Berta appeared as if she was going to die, but he did not specify why. That same day he put gonorrheal pus from another male subject into both of Berta's eyes, as well as in her urethra and rectum. He also re-infected her with syphilis. Several days later, Berta's eyes were filled with pus from the gonorrhea, and she was bleeding from her urethra. Three days later, on August 27, Berta died.[4][10]

So GTFO with your, "the story of the Gates Foundation is a lie". Do some fkn research and you'll stop replying ignorantly. The Gates Foundation has already been accused of unethical cervical cancer testings.

Look it up son, there're tons of articles, then come back to me.

So go ahead and just get "vaccinated" for the fk of it. Better get the serial number of the vaccine batch you're going to let them poke your butt cheek with.

i like how your evidence is completely irrelevant to the claim you're making.

'americans infected guatemalans with syphilis to see what would happen, therefore vaccines are a lie"

it's just pretty faulty logic. you should try again

also the gates foundation stuff is literally just fake news. i dunno why yall stoop to that, there's plenty of real life, provable things you could be upset about. the rich idiots you seem to hate want you to be a wacko conspiracy theorist, it's good for them.

[inquisitive]

A coronavirus vaccine could be available for the general public by September, a University of Oxford professor has said.

Sarah Gilbert, a professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, is leading a team of researchers in the development of a vaccine that would protect the world against Covid-19.

In an interview with The Times, the professor said that she and her team have already created a potential vaccine that is due to begin human trials within two weeks.

She told the paper she is "80%" confident of its success, "based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine".

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-autumn-says-oxford-professor-sarah-gilbert/

Basically proven repurposing by then...doubt a vaccine will be out by then...hope I’m wrong though

[hippesthippo]

I tried to let it go to keep the thread on topic, but misinformation like this moron spouting off about Bill Gates isn't healthy.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/gates-org-kicked-out-of-india/

As for testing on prisoners, that's been well known for awhile and has nothing to do with Bill Gates or some global conspiracy. In fact, the U.S. publicly apologized for it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2010/10/01/130266301/u-s-apologizes-for-medical-research-that-infected-guatemalans-with-syphilis

Try using facts or legit sources next time.

[TimRobbins]

A coronavirus vaccine could be available for the general public by September, a University of Oxford professor has said.

Sarah Gilbert, a professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, is leading a team of researchers in the development of a vaccine that would protect the world against Covid-19.

In an interview with The Times, the professor said that she and her team have already created a potential vaccine that is due to begin human trials within two weeks.

She told the paper she is "80%" confident of its success, "based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine".

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-autumn-says-oxford-professor-sarah-gilbert/

Basically proven repurposing by then...doubt a vaccine will be out by then...hope I’m wrong though

She's talking about having a vaccine out by September. I think she's a little overly-optimistic, but it does look like our best shot at ending this.

[sfernald]

If true, this is the most disturbing article I’ve read on the virus. Based on an new German study, it suggests that this virus is like HIV and Hep C in that our antibodies don’t really kill the virus so we basically have it forever like HIV. And that also suggests a vaccine might not be possible but rather we have to treat it with a cocktail of drugs like HIV.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-where-coronavirus-hides-in-your-body

[Zenzibar]

Nah, that article is not reputable at all and that story about the Gates foundation is a lie.

Vaccines actually reduce profits for big pharma, they would make plenty more money from treatments.

The only reason they sell vaccines is if they didn't then some other company would. It also gives them good press and good standing with governments.

Pure Ignorant talk.

Allow me. Not all vaccines are created equal. Unbeknown to women in Honduras, they were given syphilis to test vaccines during the 1940's. FYI, in the 40's the U.S. had an epidemic of syphilis, even the infamous Al Capone died of it. Meanwhile in Guatemala, of the more than 1300 individuals infected, only 678 were treated after the viral introduction.

You got Google? Look this up...

The syphilis experiments in Guatemala were United States-led human experiments conducted in Guatemala from 1946 to 1948. The experiments were led by physician John Charles Cutler who also participated in the late stages of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment (conducted between 1932 and 1972). During this particular infamous experiment, Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects.

While you are at it...

The Guatemalan experiment resulted in at least, aka reported 83 deaths.[1] Serology studies continued through 1953 involving the same vulnerable populations, in addition to children from state-run schools, an orphanage, and rural towns,....

Just one more read....

The goal of this experiment was to find a more suitable STD prophylaxis, by infecting human subjects recruited from prison populations with gonorrhea. Though at first, the idea of using human subjects was controversial, the support of Dr. Thomas Parran, and Executive Officer of the U.S. Army Medical Corps, Colonel John A Rodgers allowed Dr. John F. Mahoney and Dr. Cassius J. Van Slyke to begin implementing the experiments. Dr. John Cutler, a young associate of Dr. Mahoney, helped conduct the experiments, and went on to lead the Guatemala Syphilis Experiment.

Read: A documented subject profile provides a detailed description of what the subjects faced within this experiment:
Psoriasis and syphilis; lesions on face and body, 1866 Wellcome V0010104

Berta was a female patient in the Psychiatric Hospital... in February 1948, Berta was injected in her left arm with syphilis. A month later, she developed scabies (an itchy skin infection cause by a mite). Several weeks later, Dr. Cutler noted that she also developed red bumps where he had injected her arm, lesions on her arms and legs, and her skin was beginning to waste away from her body. Berta was not treated for syphilis until three months after her injection. Soon after, on August 23, Dr. Cutler wrote that Berta appeared as if she was going to die, but he did not specify why. That same day he put gonorrheal pus from another male subject into both of Berta's eyes, as well as in her urethra and rectum. He also re-infected her with syphilis. Several days later, Berta's eyes were filled with pus from the gonorrhea, and she was bleeding from her urethra. Three days later, on August 27, Berta died.[4][10]

So GTFO with your, "the story of the Gates Foundation is a lie". Do some fkn research and you'll stop replying ignorantly. The Gates Foundation has already been accused of unethical cervical cancer testings.

Look it up son, there're tons of articles, then come back to me.

So go ahead and just get "vaccinated" for the fk of it. Better get the serial number of the vaccine batch you're going to let them poke your butt cheek with.

I can see there could potentially be a problem with mass vaccinating third world populations who may be malnourished etc.

People of my parent’s generation in Australia died of diphtheria however, and if you wish to be anecdotal one of my uncles contracted polio at age 19 and could only walk with calipers and on crutches for the rest of his life. Not a lot of diphtheria or poliomyelitis in Australia now, nor of smallpox worldwide which was such a scourge for centuries.

Understand that we're not diminishing the impact viruses have had on lives throughout centuries and advances of medicines to eradicate these.
What was written was awareness that not everyone looked at it with solely benevolent eyes for everyone.

[Zenzibar]

Nah, that article is not reputable at all and that story about the Gates foundation is a lie.

Vaccines actually reduce profits for big pharma, they would make plenty more money from treatments.

The only reason they sell vaccines is if they didn't then some other company would. It also gives them good press and good standing with governments.

Pure Ignorant talk.

Allow me. Not all vaccines are created equal. Unbeknown to women in Honduras, they were given syphilis to test vaccines during the 1940's. FYI, in the 40's the U.S. had an epidemic of syphilis, even the infamous Al Capone died of it. Meanwhile in Guatemala, of the more than 1300 individuals infected, only 678 were treated after the viral introduction.

You got Google? Look this up...

The syphilis experiments in Guatemala were United States-led human experiments conducted in Guatemala from 1946 to 1948. The experiments were led by physician John Charles Cutler who also participated in the late stages of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment (conducted between 1932 and 1972). During this particular infamous experiment, Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects.

While you are at it...

The Guatemalan experiment resulted in at least, aka reported 83 deaths.[1] Serology studies continued through 1953 involving the same vulnerable populations, in addition to children from state-run schools, an orphanage, and rural towns,....

Just one more read....

The goal of this experiment was to find a more suitable STD prophylaxis, by infecting human subjects recruited from prison populations with gonorrhea. Though at first, the idea of using human subjects was controversial, the support of Dr. Thomas Parran, and Executive Officer of the U.S. Army Medical Corps, Colonel John A Rodgers allowed Dr. John F. Mahoney and Dr. Cassius J. Van Slyke to begin implementing the experiments. Dr. John Cutler, a young associate of Dr. Mahoney, helped conduct the experiments, and went on to lead the Guatemala Syphilis Experiment.

Read: A documented subject profile provides a detailed description of what the subjects faced within this experiment:
Psoriasis and syphilis; lesions on face and body, 1866 Wellcome V0010104

Berta was a female patient in the Psychiatric Hospital... in February 1948, Berta was injected in her left arm with syphilis. A month later, she developed scabies (an itchy skin infection cause by a mite). Several weeks later, Dr. Cutler noted that she also developed red bumps where he had injected her arm, lesions on her arms and legs, and her skin was beginning to waste away from her body. Berta was not treated for syphilis until three months after her injection. Soon after, on August 23, Dr. Cutler wrote that Berta appeared as if she was going to die, but he did not specify why. That same day he put gonorrheal pus from another male subject into both of Berta's eyes, as well as in her urethra and rectum. He also re-infected her with syphilis. Several days later, Berta's eyes were filled with pus from the gonorrhea, and she was bleeding from her urethra. Three days later, on August 27, Berta died.[4][10]

So GTFO with your, "the story of the Gates Foundation is a lie". Do some fkn research and you'll stop replying ignorantly. The Gates Foundation has already been accused of unethical cervical cancer testings.

Look it up son, there're tons of articles, then come back to me.

So go ahead and just get "vaccinated" for the fk of it. Better get the serial number of the vaccine batch you're going to let them poke your butt cheek with.

i like how your evidence is completely irrelevant to the claim you're making.

'americans infected guatemalans with syphilis to see what would happen, therefore vaccines are a lie"

it's just pretty faulty logic. you should try again

also the gates foundation stuff is literally just fake news. i dunno why yall stoop to that, there's plenty of real life, provable things you could be upset about. the rich idiots you seem to hate want you to be a wacko conspiracy theorist, it's good for them.

Show me were in what was written was conspiracy? Where in what was written indicate anything about "..hating rich idiots"?

Fine, stay you.

[NinjaBro]

Must watch. It's long so just leave this in your background when you're doing chores or laying in bed.

Watch on YouTube

[michaelm]

If true, this is the most disturbing article I’ve read on the virus. Based on an new German study, it suggests that this virus is like HIV and Hep C in that our antibodies don’t really kill the virus so we basically have it forever like HIV. And that also suggests a vaccine might not be possible but rather we have to treat it with a cocktail of drugs like HIV.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-where-coronavirus-hides-in-your-body

I am not really up on current knowledge on Hep C but I believe that is curable with a drug now, albeit an expensive one.

[michaelm]

Understand that we're not diminishing the impact viruses have had on lives throughout centuries and advances of medicines to eradicate these.
What was written was awareness that not everyone looked at it with solely benevolent eyes for everyone.

Sure, many questionable things were done in the name of medical ‘science’ in the past, but you can’t even get published now without rigorous ethical approval, and I am fairly confident about current standards in the western world. Syphillis isn’t caused by a virus btw.

I believe vaccination has been of great benefit in first world countries, and the anti vaccination movement here has been associated with deaths from pertussis in infants in places where the vaccination rate is low. People talk of SSPE from measles vaccination but the rate is much higher if you actually get measles to which I remain immune having contracted it as a child in the 60s as everyone did back then. As a medical worker I got vaccinated against Hep B which is pretty much an ethical responsibility, and will get vaccinated against influenza now for similar reasons.

I am not sure what sort of vaccines they are working on for this virus, and don’t have much current knowledge about vaccination in general, but your concerns would perhaps mainly apply to a live attenuated virus, which would presumably be the type of vaccine which would have the longest lead time and require the most testing in regard to safety, and there are as I understand it several other technologies now.