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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1561 » by getrichordie » Sat Apr 4, 2020 9:33 am

N'Doye is the biggest sleeper of the bunch, IMHO.

ht. 6'6
ws. 7'2

+ can handle the ball
+ good at attacking the basket
+ solid shooter
+ really mobile on perimeter
+ length to defend 1-3 and some 4s.
+ good stop and go ability

- needs to add weight
- still a bit raw
- release is a little slow and too low on jumpers
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1562 » by No-Man » Sat Apr 4, 2020 10:22 am

N'Doye can very much not handle the ball or attack the basket at a NBA level, he is really good on D and can shoot some, he is basically kinda Frank Ntilikina, I like him but he has been an abject disaster when actually playing PG, he is a swingman

He has been better this year but part of it has to do with just being older and more mature, dunno, I really don't buy him on offense as more than an open shooter but he def can be useful on D, as a 2nd round stash he is promising, but I'd not call him a major sleeper, that's where he is ranked by what we know from insider info
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1563 » by Nazrmohamed » Mon Apr 6, 2020 5:17 pm

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why top 10?

Elite athleticism, finishing, defensive......

Absolute beast. Can’t figure out why they don’t put him where he belongs. I honestly think part it is the “experts” almost trying to push him back to school.

Stanley hurt imo by not having NCAA tourney. But only to us fans. The pros will have him


you got him playing 2 or 3? and what kind of role do you see him having at the next level?


He reminds me of that guy the Nuggets used to have that tore Kobes Achilles so its fitting that he'll be available for them
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1564 » by Stillwater » Mon Apr 6, 2020 7:07 pm

c'mon CStanley in the top 10 is a gm on heavy pain meds. not impossible but really really lacks the tools besides explosive leaping to even play off the bench at the next level. hes basically poor mans Okogie without the 7' ws
I could see him finding a role in the league if he can improve his handles and IQ but right now he's 15th and after and late first is most likely the best spot for him so he can develop in gleague on a contender and get his shot somewhere else down the road.
he goes anywhere in the lottery and hes just a highlight dunker that is overpaid
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1565 » by doordoor123 » Mon Apr 6, 2020 8:20 pm

Fischella wrote:N'Doye can very much not handle the ball or attack the basket at a NBA level, he is really good on D and can shoot some, he is basically kinda Frank Ntilikina, I like him but he has been an abject disaster when actually playing PG, he is a swingman

He has been better this year but part of it has to do with just being older and more mature, dunno, I really don't buy him on offense as more than an open shooter but he def can be useful on D, as a 2nd round stash he is promising, but I'd not call him a major sleeper, that's where he is ranked by what we know from insider info


Perfect response to the guy before you. Dude is listing height, wingspan and his ability to do average basketball things. The NBA isn’t full of average players, it’s full of above average. There are really good college players who aren’t NBA players and that’s because they can get away with being better in college. They don’t need that outlier physical ability or skill. In the NBA you need to be either an elite athlete, have a ton of energy, or you need to be really skilled.
Derrick Jones Jr is the type of player who, looking at him, 6’7 with insane vertical. He can shoot, he’s quick, he can shoot off the dribble. From a draft POV he looks like a lottery pick. The reality is that he’s just kind of average in the NBA, his skill is just average. Just because he can do stuff doesn’t mean he’s a game-changer. Take this concept and shrink it down to the college level player. There are hundreds of players in college and only around 25 guys every year stick past 3 years in the league. You really can’t just be good, you have to stand out with something exceptionally good. How can someone in college compete with guys that have been doing this for 10+ years at a high level and have been gradually improving every year?
The guys we usually think are good based on numbers and don’t get drafted or another chance just don’t provide anything unique at the next level. Passing for a player that isn’t a point guard is especially overrated because most guys in the NBA can pass. Guys like Wesley Iwundu who were pretty much the point guards of the team are league-average wing passers in the NBA. In the modern NBA, it’s a league all about passing to create space. On the flip side, you wont make it in the NBA if you can’t pass —- unless you’re a positive contributor on the defensive end.
What really needs to be seen in evaluating is the difference between an average move/play and an advanced one. That’s what good evaluations do and you can easily point out the people who don’t know what they’re talking about because they either only talk about numbers or only talk about things a player can do. At an elite level everyone can do everything averagely. I’ve seen Isaiah Thomas hitting hook shots in his prime. But that isn’t what made him effective, it’s meaningless, but it shows that he is very skilled.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1566 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 6, 2020 10:58 pm

Has Skylar Mays been mentioned? 3&D 4 year player at TCU improved each year. Kinda reminds me of Wes Matthews with a better 3 point shot. He's got those big shoulders and arms - but probably short arms. Still, he's strong and physical enough to make up for a lack of length - have to see what he measures at the combine. High BBIQ because he worked at it.

Edit - That's Desmond Bane; not Skylar Mays. :oops:
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1567 » by EvanZ » Mon Apr 6, 2020 11:06 pm

Ruzious wrote:Has Skylar Mays been mentioned? 3&D 4 year player at TCU improved each year. Kinda reminds me of Wes Matthews with a better 3 point shot. He's got those big shoulders and arms - but probably short arms. Still, he's strong and physical enough to make up for a lack of length - have to see what he measures at the combine. High BBIQ because he worked at it.


LSU? Or are you thinking of Bane?
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Post#1568 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 6, 2020 11:10 pm

EvanZ wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Has Skylar Mays been mentioned? 3&D 4 year player at TCU improved each year. Kinda reminds me of Wes Matthews with a better 3 point shot. He's got those big shoulders and arms - but probably short arms. Still, he's strong and physical enough to make up for a lack of length - have to see what he measures at the combine. High BBIQ because he worked at it.


LSU? Or are you thinking of Bane?

Yes, I meant Desmond Bane. :lol:
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1569 » by cdubbz » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:00 am

Stillwater wrote:c'mon CStanley in the top 10 is a gm on heavy pain meds. not impossible but really really lacks the tools besides explosive leaping to even play off the bench at the next level. hes basically poor mans Okogie without the 7' ws
I could see him finding a role in the league if he can improve his handles and IQ but right now he's 15th and after and late first is most likely the best spot for him so he can develop in gleague on a contender and get his shot somewhere else down the road.
he goes anywhere in the lottery and hes just a highlight dunker that is overpaid


I like Cassius Stanley as a steal for mid to late 1st round pick. Combo guard with athletic ability, he’s shown he’s able to shoot the 3. Still a project but watching him at Sierra Canyon & Duke — he’s a hooper.
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Post#1570 » by Catchall » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:45 pm

cdubbz wrote:
Stillwater wrote:c'mon CStanley in the top 10 is a gm on heavy pain meds. not impossible but really really lacks the tools besides explosive leaping to even play off the bench at the next level. hes basically poor mans Okogie without the 7' ws
I could see him finding a role in the league if he can improve his handles and IQ but right now he's 15th and after and late first is most likely the best spot for him so he can develop in gleague on a contender and get his shot somewhere else down the road.
he goes anywhere in the lottery and hes just a highlight dunker that is overpaid


I like Cassius Stanley as a steal for mid to late 1st round pick. Combo guard with athletic ability, he’s shown he’s able to shoot the 3. Still a project but watching him at Sierra Canyon & Duke — he’s a hooper.


He's a guy who might be more effective in NBA spacing than he was at Duke, if he has enough handle and ability to get downhill. He reminds me a little of Alec Burks coming out of Colorado. I think he's probably a late first-round prospect in this draft.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1571 » by getrichordie » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:25 am

Catchall wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
Stillwater wrote:c'mon CStanley in the top 10 is a gm on heavy pain meds. not impossible but really really lacks the tools besides explosive leaping to even play off the bench at the next level. hes basically poor mans Okogie without the 7' ws
I could see him finding a role in the league if he can improve his handles and IQ but right now he's 15th and after and late first is most likely the best spot for him so he can develop in gleague on a contender and get his shot somewhere else down the road.
he goes anywhere in the lottery and hes just a highlight dunker that is overpaid


I like Cassius Stanley as a steal for mid to late 1st round pick. Combo guard with athletic ability, he’s shown he’s able to shoot the 3. Still a project but watching him at Sierra Canyon & Duke — he’s a hooper.


He's a guy who might be more effective in NBA spacing than he was at Duke, if he has enough handle and ability to get downhill. He reminds me a little of Alec Burks coming out of Colorado. I think he's probably a late first-round prospect in this draft.


Stanley, while clearly more athletic, has nowhere near the offensive repertoire that Burks had coming out of Colorado. Burks could handle the ball and had some shake and bake to his game and he could create his own offense to some extent. He also had a mid-range game. Haven’t seen any of that from Stanley. Stanley is going to be strictly in a 3&D role in the NBA and he’s going to have to attack close outs to get by his man because his dribble game just isn’t there.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1572 » by RiotPunch » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:46 am

Ruzious wrote:Has Skylar Mays been mentioned? 3&D 4 year player at TCU improved each year. Kinda reminds me of Wes Matthews with a better 3 point shot. He's got those big shoulders and arms - but probably short arms. Still, he's strong and physical enough to make up for a lack of length - have to see what he measures at the combine. High BBIQ because he worked at it.

Edit - That's Desmond Bane; not Skylar Mays. :oops:

I'm on the Bane train. He is firmly in my Top-25 and will make some savvy organization very happy. He's not as long as you'd like, but he's built like brick shithouse while providing elite spacing and elite team defense. Extremely high BBIQ and ain't scared of nobody.

Funny you mention Mays though, especially with the Wes comp, as that is pretty close IMO. Nice C&S bombers with limited handle/driving ability but some value on defense.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1573 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:47 am

Does anyone else like Jalen Crutcher from Dayton? I think he's underrated. He set up Toppin for a lot of his points and scores efficiently himself. I don't expect Crutcher to be a star, but I don't see why he can't carve out a role as a backup in the NBA.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1574 » by getrichordie » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:15 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Does anyone else like Jalen Crutcher from Dayton? I think he's underrated. He set up Toppin for a lot of his points and scores efficiently himself. I don't expect Crutcher to be a star, but I don't see why he can't carve out a role as a backup in the NBA.


I like Crutcher more than most! I think he can be a really solid backup for a long time. Great value for 2nd round.
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Post#1575 » by getrichordie » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:27 am

This dude is a legit sleeper pick. Crazy block rate. Averaging 3.5 a game.

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Post#1576 » by doordoor123 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:36 pm

getrichordie wrote:This dude is a legit sleeper pick. Crazy block rate. Averaging 3.5 a game.



He’s a 5th year player who isn’t a good free throw shooter, isn’t quick in general and barely gets 5 rebounds a game. There have been better players who haven’t made the league. His block rate isn’t translatable at the next level.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1577 » by EvanZ » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:31 pm

Kylor Kelly is like Jeff Withey. He's not going to be anything.
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Post#1578 » by getrichordie » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:18 pm

EvanZ wrote:Kylor Kelly is like Jeff Withey. He's not going to be anything.


Kelly is not Withey. I understand the parallels, but Kelly is objectively more athletic and mobile and has showed year over year improvement.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1579 » by EvanZ » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:38 pm

getrichordie wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Kylor Kelly is like Jeff Withey. He's not going to be anything.


Kelly is not Withey. I understand the parallels, but Kelly is objectively more athletic and mobile and has showed year over year improvement.


I mean he's 23 in August.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1580 » by getrichordie » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:38 am

Someone is going to get a solid guard prospect in David Johnson out of Louisville.
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