2020 Draft Thread

[WeekapaugGroove]

Anyone have any good podcast recommendations to prep for the draft?

Now that I have kids I just don't watch enough college football to have any real knowledge of these players.

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Kiper and McShay did a mock where they each drafted an entire team of rookies. Haven't listened to it, but it would probably be a good change of pace and show who they think the best players are rather than teams drafting for need.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dueling-superteams/id304434112?i=1000470916362

Thanks dude I'll give that a listen.

Since I don't know enough to give names I'll say what I want positionally in this draft.

Slot/gadgety type wr- they need to come out of the draft with a guy like this

T- Wagner is a stop gap and you need a good online with an older QB. I wouldn't mind them using the 1st on a raw high upside T

MLB- I've long been one to downplay the importance of a MLB but that 49er game kind of shifted that. Wouldn't mind a MLB who can run somewhat early.

Hybrid S/lb type- this could be a sneaky early pick. Pack like playing that big nickel so this is basically a starting spot and upgrading from Greene could make sense. There's some Josh Jones ptsd but I still like the idea of what a guy like that could bring to the d even though Jones didn't pan out.

DL- could use another disruptive type DL

RB- Jones and Williams last year of their deals

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[M-C-G]

what are peoples top three choices for WR, LB, DT, and OT for the Packers knowing obviously they have to acquire them at different points in the draft.

LBs
1st - Queen or Murray
2nd - Baun
3rd-4th Logan Wilson, Jordan Dye, Willie Gay Jr, Malik Harrison, Jordyn Brooks, Davis-Gaither

Wrs
1st - Reagor, Mims, Ayuik
2nd - Shenault, Hamler, Pittman
3rd- Claypool
4th-5th Proche, Lynn Bowden Jr, Antonio Gibson

RBs
1st - none, but I am tempted to say Taylor
2nd - Clyde EH and if any of Taylor, Dobbins, Swift happen to fall
3rd-4th Cam Akers, AJ Dillon

I think we should take at least one swing in this draft on finding another RB, because I don't like to pay RB that second contract, especially a guy that has struggled to stay healthy like Jones. Play him this year, tag him next year and let him walk.

And I am no help on the guys in the trenches, but I will say, if there is real value at C or G, we may want to take them because I don't think Linsley is getting re-upped. I think the plan is to kick Jenkins inside after this season unless someone else emerges.

Double bonus, I'd entertain trading Bahk if I had a really highly rated tackle fall in our lap. I know that won't be popular, but we have some major choices on who to pay coming up and I suspect a Bahk could return a really nice hall.

Triple lindy bonus, I'd be talking to Bill O'Brien right now about flipping Rodgers for Watson, I don't think we would ever trade Rodgers, but I think his trade value is higher than his actual value to this team.

[neiLz]

I don't think the Packers can trade Rodgers. Doesn't he have like a 40-50 mil cap hit for the pack if traded?

[jakecronus8]

I don't think the Packers can trade Rodgers. Doesn't he have like a 40-50 mil cap hit for the pack if traded?

Yes. It’s a non starter. Rodgers will be here for his career unless he renegotiated in order to facilitate a deal.

[M-C-G]

I don't think the Packers can trade Rodgers. Doesn't he have like a 40-50 mil cap hit for the pack if traded?

I'm not sure, because unlike the NBA I don't think you need salary matching in the NFL. So we'd take a giant hit on sending him out, but Watson only makes a base of 1.2M and a roster bonus of 1.2. His signing bonus wouldn't be our problem.

So, our cap would be hit hard, but the incoming salary difference is so big, I'm not quite sure how it would all play out. Need someone that knows this stuff better than I do.

[neiLz]

I don't think the Packers can trade Rodgers. Doesn't he have like a 40-50 mil cap hit for the pack if traded?

I'm not sure, because unlike the NBA I don't think you need salary matching in the NFL. So we'd take a giant hit on sending him out, but Watson only makes a base of 1.2M and a roster bonus of 1.2. His signing bonus wouldn't be our problem.

So, our cap would be hit hard, but the incoming salary difference is so big, I'm not quite sure how it would all play out. Need someone that knows this stuff better than I do.

I think the hit would be 50 mil this year added to the cap. Packers are 10.5 mil under with Rodgers deal now. But the minute we cut or trade all of his signing bonus gets added on which would be the 50 mil hit making the Packers go over the cap by quite a bit.

[Treebeard]

Some reading entertainment:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2020-nfl-draft-patriots-packers-and-saints-among-teams-doing-homework-on-jordan-love-per-report/

2020 NFL Draft: Patriots, Packers and Saints among teams doing homework on Jordan Love, per report
The strong-armed passer, who is expected to be picked in Round 1, is drawing interest from a number of teams
Sean Wagner-McGough
.....ESPN's Jeremy Fowler provided a partial list of the teams looking into Love. According to Fowler, the Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Chargers, Packers, and Redskins are all doing their due diligence -- among "several" other teams that weren't named.....

2020 NFL Draft: Potential first-round pick Patrick Queen meets with Packers, Eagles and Ravens, per report
One of the top linebacker prospects is drawing significant interest as the draft approaches
Sean Wagner-McGough
According to The Draft Network's Jordan Reid, Queen has already met with the Packers, Eagles, and Ravens, and he also has a meeting scheduled with the Giants -- which will take place over FaceTime, of course, due to COVID-19.

[RRyder823]

It's just under 40 million if we were to trade Rodgers this year. So that's roughly 18 million more then Rodgers current cap hit plus we'd have to clear room for any salary brought in plus cap space for rookies and in season additions.

Pretty much we'd have to clear around 20 million in additional cap space over what we have right now.

It's simply not a feasible possibility even if they wanted to trade Rodgers. In two years it becomes possible. Not now though.

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[msiris]

Some reading entertainment:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2020-nfl-draft-patriots-packers-and-saints-among-teams-doing-homework-on-jordan-love-per-report/

2020 NFL Draft: Patriots, Packers and Saints among teams doing homework on Jordan Love, per report
The strong-armed passer, who is expected to be picked in Round 1, is drawing interest from a number of teams
Sean Wagner-McGough
.....ESPN's Jeremy Fowler provided a partial list of the teams looking into Love. According to Fowler, the Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Chargers, Packers, and Redskins are all doing their due diligence -- among "several" other teams that weren't named.....

2020 NFL Draft: Potential first-round pick Patrick Queen meets with Packers, Eagles and Ravens, per report
One of the top linebacker prospects is drawing significant interest as the draft approaches
Sean Wagner-McGough
According to The Draft Network's Jordan Reid, Queen has already met with the Packers, Eagles, and Ravens, and he also has a meeting scheduled with the Giants -- which will take place over FaceTime, of course, due to COVID-19.

No way do i want Love, Need to get guys who can help us now

[Treebeard]

I think the idea of drafting Rogers successor has merit, but probably not this year. Too many other key spots to fill for a narrow and closing Super Bowl window. They need more top-flight help now at WR, LB, and OL. Also, they need more help at RB. Jones is outstanding, but the shelf life on running backs is short. If he goes down, neither Williams nor Ervin are adequate replacements.

Back to Rogers... If he goes down, the party is over for the season. Tim Boyle is a warm body "Plan C". He isn't taking anybody to the playoffs, or winning a playoff game on his own merit. If Gute sees the need for a better development QB this year, then draft Morgan, or somebody comparable in Round 4 or later. If not, there will be suitable options next year too - this isn't the end of the line for good QB candidates.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah I view the Rodgers situation different than it was when Favre was here because it's not like he's hinting at retirement every year like Brett was. QBs are playing longer now and Rodgers has seems to have every intention of playing into his 40s.

Now it doesn't hurt to do your due diligence on QB prospects. This class might hit FA right around the end Rodgers run.

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[Treebeard]

In Roger's case, I'm absolutely sure the competitive drive is still there to keep playing for several years, but his body has taken a pounding(No surprise for any NFL player with his number of snaps played) The wear and tear from concussions, knees, collarbones, shoulders, etc, etc may well overcome competitive spirit. It would be nice to have a replacement in the Queue, but like I wrote above, too many other immediate needs for this draft.

[M-C-G]

I think the idea of drafting Rogers successor has merit, but probably not this year. Too many other key spots to fill for a narrow and closing Super Bowl window. They need more top-flight help now at WR, LB, and OL. Also, they need more help at RB. Jones is outstanding, but the shelf life on running backs is short. If he goes down, neither Williams nor Ervin are adequate replacements.

Back to Rogers... If he goes down, the party is over for the season. Tim Boyle is a warm body "Plan C". He isn't taking anybody to the playoffs, or winning a playoff game on his own merit. If Gute sees the need for a better development QB this year, then draft Morgan, or somebody comparable in Round 4 or later. If not, there will be suitable options next year too - this isn't the end of the line for good QB candidates.

I think the guy you draft is Cole McDonald, seems to have all the physical talent and will be available late enough that you are not compromising the near future. See if you can develop him and should be available in the 4th or 5th

[Treebeard]

I think the idea of drafting Rogers successor has merit, but probably not this year. Too many other key spots to fill for a narrow and closing Super Bowl window. They need more top-flight help now at WR, LB, and OL. Also, they need more help at RB. Jones is outstanding, but the shelf life on running backs is short. If he goes down, neither Williams nor Ervin are adequate replacements.

Back to Rogers... If he goes down, the party is over for the season. Tim Boyle is a warm body "Plan C". He isn't taking anybody to the playoffs, or winning a playoff game on his own merit. If Gute sees the need for a better development QB this year, then draft Morgan, or somebody comparable in Round 4 or later. If not, there will be suitable options next year too - this isn't the end of the line for good QB candidates.

I think the guy you draft is Cole McDonald, seems to have all the physical talent and will be available late enough that you are not compromising the near future. See if you can develop him and should be available in the 4th or 5th

From NFL.com - Cole McDonald:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cole-mcdonald?id=32194d43-4424-2125-36c2-a1f6078533c8

Overview
Next up from the pass-happy Hawaii offense with good size and impressive touchdown production over the last two seasons as a starter. While he can read defenses and throw with touch, he doesn't have the timing or ball placement to make up for his weak arm. He needs to work to a condensed field as a pro, but even then, jumpy cornerbacks could feast since he struggles to work with consistent anticipation to limit contested throws. He's a decent athlete, but it's not enough to offset his throwing deficiencies.

Strengths
Added 15 pounds last offseason for NFL size profile
Ability to read defenses and make adjustments
Eyes safeties out of the way for deep sideline shots
Processes quickly to come off primary read
Works to the very last progression when he needs to
Touch to make throws between linebackers and safeties
Rhythmic pocket climb away from building edge pressure
Competitive runner who's willing to bang near goal line
Build-up speed has some getaway potential

Weaknesses
Unorthodox release looks like he's throwing a javelin
Disappointing deep-ball accuracy at just under 29 percent
Waits too long to heave it deep and uses too much air
Prolonged setup takes time to find a throwing platform
Gets out of sync with wideouts and will rush throws
Ball comes out wobbly too often
Lacks arm talent to make pro throws
Drive throws take a nose-dive, forcing receivers into tough grabs
Ball placement inconsistent for tight windows

How much of the throwing technique bumps can be coached up?

[M-C-G]

I think the idea of drafting Rogers successor has merit, but probably not this year. Too many other key spots to fill for a narrow and closing Super Bowl window. They need more top-flight help now at WR, LB, and OL. Also, they need more help at RB. Jones is outstanding, but the shelf life on running backs is short. If he goes down, neither Williams nor Ervin are adequate replacements.

Back to Rogers... If he goes down, the party is over for the season. Tim Boyle is a warm body "Plan C". He isn't taking anybody to the playoffs, or winning a playoff game on his own merit. If Gute sees the need for a better development QB this year, then draft Morgan, or somebody comparable in Round 4 or later. If not, there will be suitable options next year too - this isn't the end of the line for good QB candidates.

I think the guy you draft is Cole McDonald, seems to have all the physical talent and will be available late enough that you are not compromising the near future. See if you can develop him and should be available in the 4th or 5th

From NFL.com - Cole McDonald:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cole-mcdonald?id=32194d43-4424-2125-36c2-a1f6078533c8

Overview
Next up from the pass-happy Hawaii offense with good size and impressive touchdown production over the last two seasons as a starter. While he can read defenses and throw with touch, he doesn't have the timing or ball placement to make up for his weak arm. He needs to work to a condensed field as a pro, but even then, jumpy cornerbacks could feast since he struggles to work with consistent anticipation to limit contested throws. He's a decent athlete, but it's not enough to offset his throwing deficiencies.

Strengths
Added 15 pounds last offseason for NFL size profile
Ability to read defenses and make adjustments
Eyes safeties out of the way for deep sideline shots
Processes quickly to come off primary read
Works to the very last progression when he needs to
Touch to make throws between linebackers and safeties
Rhythmic pocket climb away from building edge pressure
Competitive runner who's willing to bang near goal line
Build-up speed has some getaway potential

Weaknesses
Unorthodox release looks like he's throwing a javelin
Disappointing deep-ball accuracy at just under 29 percent
Waits too long to heave it deep and uses too much air
Prolonged setup takes time to find a throwing platform
Gets out of sync with wideouts and will rush throws
Ball comes out wobbly too often
Lacks arm talent to make pro throws
Drive throws take a nose-dive, forcing receivers into tough grabs
Ball placement inconsistent for tight windows

How much of the throwing technique bumps can be coached up?

According to PFF his passer rating of 20+ was 99 (not sure if that is the same as NFL, but it is still pretty good). I think his ability to get the ball out quick and accurate, especially on the type of stuff that I think MLF wants to call but Rodgers doesn't always buy in to.

Full disclosure, I have never watched this dude play, just bouncing off scouting reports and seems like a good developmental guy

[sdn40]

Doing homework could very well mean, "if Love falls to the 3rd round we'll take him." Oh, and Rodgers trade talk is dumb

[MoMM]

Yes, totally against spending a high round pick on a QB replacement, we should only do it if Tua falls to us in the end of 1st (which is very very unlikely, it would be like Rodgers falling to us), but using a 5th or later is OK to me, if it is someone who has some flaws that can be teach. Who knows? Maybe we draft the next Brady.

[Matches Malone]

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[Treebeard]

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Huh... That one surprises me.

[Matches Malone]

I'm pretty much open to any position this year. I know we have immediate needs, but I can be talked into just about anything. Edge rushers are a valuable commodity. Losing Fackrell hurt depth and maybe they see Z and Gary playing more snaps on the line. Lewis looks very nice though. Reminds me a bit of Brian Burns.