2020 Draft Thread

[Treebeard]

I'm pretty much open to any position this year. I know we have immediate needs, but I can be talked into just about anything. Edge rushers are a valuable commodity. Losing Fackrell hurt depth and maybe they see Z and Gary playing more snaps on the line. Lewis looks very nice though. Reminds me a bit of Brian Burns.

You may have a point.... Is there also a hint that they're really unsure of Gary's development?

[Matches Malone]

I'm pretty much open to any position this year. I know we have immediate needs, but I can be talked into just about anything. Edge rushers are a valuable commodity. Losing Fackrell hurt depth and maybe they see Z and Gary playing more snaps on the line. Lewis looks very nice though. Reminds me a bit of Brian Burns.

You may have a point.... Is there also a hint that they're really unsure of Gary's development?

I think it's too early to tell. I'm sure there's a small bit of doubt but my guess is the Front Office is excited to see his second season unfold. If he puts up another unproductive year, you'll hear more rumblings.

[Daver]

I can only hope that the packers dont ignore getting rogers some much needed help.I know the D still needs work but damn if they cant get murray or queen at pick 30 and if mims or jefferson is there please dont reach with a D player draft a stud receiver to help rogers in his last 3 years or so

[M-C-G]

I can only hope that the packers dont ignore getting rogers some much needed help.I know the D still needs work but damn if they cant get murray or queen at pick 30 and if mims or jefferson is there please dont reach with a D player draft a stud receiver to help rogers in his last 3 years or so

Gute seems like he is willing to operate differently than Ted, but with that said, a buddy of mine scouting the WR in this draft, says that his 11th rated WR in this draft would have been 3rd last season.

There are really good weapons in this draft, just hoping we don't have some kind of 'no WR under 6'4' type rule. Because my favorite WR in this draft are not big dudes, but they have YAC skills we really need badly

[Daver]

I can only hope that the packers dont ignore getting rogers some much needed help.I know the D still needs work but damn if they cant get murray or queen at pick 30 and if mims or jefferson is there please dont reach with a D player draft a stud receiver to help rogers in his last 3 years or so

Gute seems like he is willing to operate differently than Ted, but with that said, a buddy of mine scouting the WR in this draft, says that his 11th rated WR in this draft would have been 3rd last season.

There are really good weapons in this draft, just hoping we don't have some kind of 'no WR under 6'4' type rule. Because my favorite WR in this draft are not big dudes, but they have YAC skills we really need badly

Agree mims reagor dude from AZ guys that have great YAC and speed thats what we need not a 6'4 inch higgins who is good but not fast

[M-C-G]

I can only hope that the packers dont ignore getting rogers some much needed help.I know the D still needs work but damn if they cant get murray or queen at pick 30 and if mims or jefferson is there please dont reach with a D player draft a stud receiver to help rogers in his last 3 years or so

Gute seems like he is willing to operate differently than Ted, but with that said, a buddy of mine scouting the WR in this draft, says that his 11th rated WR in this draft would have been 3rd last season.

There are really good weapons in this draft, just hoping we don't have some kind of 'no WR under 6'4' type rule. Because my favorite WR in this draft are not big dudes, but they have YAC skills we really need badly

Agree mims reagor dude from AZ guys that have great YAC and speed thats what we need not a 6'4 inch higgins who is good but not fast

Tee just tested so damn poorly athletically, gives me lots of red flags. Almost like he just checked out and thought he could coast through testing. He was almost historically bad given his production.

Mims isn't going to be a YAC guy despite his speed, but he is a guy I think Rodgers will love. His ability to catch and adjust on the boundary is very Jordy-esque.

But Reagor or Ayuik are the guys I think we need on this roster. Reagor is better adjusting to the sideline throw and can YAC, Ayuik can YAC but I am not certain he can adjust the way Rodgers wants. I'll be pretty ecstatic with either guy if we can get them.

[Daver]

Reagor i like but hes small but very fast i guess like jefferson hes a perfect slot dude

[M-C-G]

I'll add one thing, anyone that is looking at stats to base their opinion is going to think Reagor is massively overrated. Dude had really bad scheme and QB play this last season, otherwise I think he is lumped right up there with the other big names. Basically, he is on discount, just look at the year prior to see what kind of playmaker he is.

Ayuik reminds me of a stronger Greg Jennings. Has a really nice fluid ability to move that isn't all that common. Best way to see it, look when he turns a slant up field, a lot of guys can't turn like that.

[M-C-G]

Reagor i like but hes small but very fast i guess like jefferson hes a perfect slot dude

Yeah, a lot of guys like Jefferson and I am not saying he won't be good, I'm just struggling to see what is special about him. He has good hands and can make some difficult catches, but I keep asking myself, why can't this guy get separation? In the NFL, CBs are going to be better, so what then? I don't know, just doesn't add up.

As for Reagor 5'11 206 and Ayuik 6' 205...I'd be a lot more worried about their size if they a.) didn't demonstrate they can high point b.) they were like 180

Both these dudes are pretty well built. For comparison, T.Y. Hilton is 5'10 183 (per PFR).

[Treebeard]

Of course, by #30, somebody falling is certainly possible and that alters the calculation. By that point, every player available has some flaws, either in medical history, or in size, or in technique; so fit does become part of that BPA calculation.

My first choice (today.... ) would either be Queen or Marshall, but I doubt either is there at #30. Baun might be there, but I'm not sold (today...) that he's an ILB.

Then, by all means, take one of the stud WR's and I'm on board with the guy with speed, good hands, good routes, and YAC ability. Size is secondary.

I do wonder with the great wealth of WR talent that could be available late-first and early-second if Gute has been baiting-the-hooks with some misdirection comments to see if he can scare up a move back from #30 into the early second round and pick up an additional third-rounder in the process. Also, I can see him either using one or two of the three sixth rounders as a sweetener this year or trade them out for future considerations.

My internal Captain Obvious says: by the end of round three, I sure hope they've snagged one or more skilled WR, LB, and an OLine guy. I won't cry if there's an RB in there either, especially one that can catch passes.

[M-C-G]

My internal Captain Obvious says: by the end of round three, I sure hope they've snagged one or more skilled WR, LB, and an OLine guy. I won't cry if there's an RB in there either, especially one that can catch passes.

This is where I am at. Either

Rd 1 ILB
Rd 2 RB
Rd 3 WR
Rd 4 OL/TE

or

Rd 1 WR
Rd 2 RB
Rd 3 ILB
Rd 4 OL/TE

Every mock I have done, I've been most happy following one of those two scenarios. I should add, I don't think Albert O is the best TE, but to add that kind of speed makes him very appealing. None of the other guys I can get very excited about. Just doesn't seem like a deep group

[Frank Nova]

Just got done watching some Michael Pittman Jr. tape. Have to say I wasn’t overly impressed nor was a disappointed. He’s an intriguing player that reminds me a lot of Miles Austin. Honestly 1 of the stiffest runners I can remember watching, he’s not gonna juke out the waterboy let alone a NFL defender. USC was obsessive in quite a few games throwing him bubble screen after bubble screen. It was somewhat effective tho surprisingly. He’s a big, lean dude that is excellent moving north and south. He seems good at high pointing the ball but I definitely noticed when I watched his highlights that he was the beneficiary of some pretty **** defense. I saw Pittman mocked to us at 30 and it blew my mind and I figured I had to go back and re watch because I clearly missed something the 1st. Dude from PFF Packers or whatever tweeted his mock and said Pittman was “ready to play right away”. Turns out when I watched more of him, I still would absolutely hate picking him over anyone of Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs, Aiyuk, Mims, Reagor Jefferson or Hamler. After that I still would prefer Claypool and Higgins but then we can get into Pittman Jr. This WR class is insanely deep but the top dogs are still the top dogs. Trying to make a case for a sleeper seems like way to much of a reach.

[M-C-G]

Just got done watching some Michael Pittman Jr. tape. Have to say I wasn’t overly impressed nor was a disappointed. He’s an intriguing player that reminds me a lot of Miles Austin. Honestly 1 of the stiffest runners I can remember watching, he’s not gonna juke out the waterboy let alone a NFL defender. USC was obsessive in quite a few games throwing him bubble screen after bubble screen. It was somewhat effective tho surprisingly. He’s a big, lean dude that is excellent moving north and south. He seems good at high pointing the ball but I definitely noticed when I watched his highlights that he was the beneficiary of some pretty **** defense. I saw Pittman mocked to us at 30 and it blew my mind and I figured I had to go back and re watch because I clearly missed something the 1st. Dude from PFF Packers or whatever tweeted his mock and said Pittman was “ready to play right away”. Turns out when I watched more of him, I still would absolutely hate picking him over anyone of Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs, Aiyuk, Mims, Reagor Jefferson or Hamler. After that I still would prefer Claypool and Higgins but then we can get into Pittman Jr. This WR class is insanely deep but the top dogs are still the top dogs. Trying to make a case for a sleeper seems like way to much of a reach.

I just don't know how much better Pittman is than Lazard. I guess the upside is Vincent Jackson, but he feels like a lot of what we already have on this roster. I'd be pretty upset with that pick, especially in the first.

[Daver]

My internal Captain Obvious says: by the end of round three, I sure hope they've snagged one or more skilled WR, LB, and an OLine guy. I won't cry if there's an RB in there either, especially one that can catch passes.

This is where I am at. Either

Rd 1 ILB
Rd 2 RB
Rd 3 WR
Rd 4 OL/TE

or

Rd 1 WR
Rd 2 RB
Rd 3 ILB
Rd 4 OL/TE

Every mock I have done, I've been most happy following one of those two scenarios. I should add, I don't think Albert O is the best TE, but to add that kind of speed makes him very appealing. None of the other guys I can get very excited about. Just doesn't seem like a deep group

Im all for ILB at 30 also but only if murray is there if not then if i know i can get mims or reagor or hamler mid 30s im trading back grabbing one of those guys then looking at DT at 62 or even trying to trade up in 2nd round but I WANT A WR SOMEONE fast great hands runs routes right as nuch as i like fast guys if higgins is sitting there in the mid 30s he would be hard to pass up

[M-C-G]

My internal Captain Obvious says: by the end of round three, I sure hope they've snagged one or more skilled WR, LB, and an OLine guy. I won't cry if there's an RB in there either, especially one that can catch passes.

This is where I am at. Either

Rd 1 ILB
Rd 2 RB
Rd 3 WR
Rd 4 OL/TE

or

Rd 1 WR
Rd 2 RB
Rd 3 ILB
Rd 4 OL/TE

Every mock I have done, I've been most happy following one of those two scenarios. I should add, I don't think Albert O is the best TE, but to add that kind of speed makes him very appealing. None of the other guys I can get very excited about. Just doesn't seem like a deep group

Im all for ILB at 30 also but only if murray is there if not then if i know i can get mims or reagor or hamler mid 30s im trading back grabbing one of those guys then looking at DT at 62 or even trying to trade up in 2nd round but I WANT A WR SOMEONE fast great hands runs routes right as nuch as i like fast guys if higgins is sitting there in the mid 30s he would be hard to pass up

Yeah, first round ILB would have to be Queen or Murray. After that I am not interested unless Baun in the 2nd.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't think I ever really thought of Baun as a first round guy but he's now getting mocked in front of GB.

[Treebeard]

I don't think I ever really thought of Baun as a first round guy but he's now getting mocked in front of GB.

Most mocks I've seen since the combine put him late first, or early second. But, there's no consensus on his NFL role - Edge, ILB, or some kind of hybrid

[Profound23]

I don't think I ever really thought of Baun as a first round guy but he's now getting mocked in front of GB.

I've lost my right to judge Wisconsin pass rushers/LBs.

Didn't think either of the Watts would translate to the NFL as well as they did, but I thought Erasmus James was going to be an impact player.

[ReasonablySober]

Barnwell released an all-trades mock today.

Trade with Green Bay Packers

Raiders get: 1-30, 2021 first-round pick
Packers get: 1-12, 5-159

Like the Eagles, the Packers find themselves in a difficult situation. They could comfortably stay put and know there will be an interesting wide receiver available to them with the 30th pick. If there's a guy they love, though, there's a decent chance he'll be off the board at No. 30. Again, here are ESPN's NFL draft predictor tool's estimated chances of the class' top wideouts being on the board at Nos. 12 and 30:

If the Packers are willing to take their chances waiting for Brandon Aiyuk or Denzel Mims, they'll be fine. With Aaron Rodgers declining and turning 37 in December, though, Green Bay should at least think about moving up to go after one of the top wideouts in this class in the hopes that he will make a more immediate impact. The Raiders also need help at wideout, but they're in Year 3 of Jon Gruden's 10-year contract and could still use the 19th pick on a wide receiver.

Trade with Cincinnati Bengals

Packers get: 2-33, 2021 second-round pick
Bengals get: 1-30, 2021 fourth-round pick, G Lane Taylor

The Packers are in the rare position of having too many starting linemen. Rookie Elgton Jenkins impressed filling in for Taylor last season, which makes the 30-year-old Taylor a trade candidate.

The Bengals need to do a better job of protecting likely No. 1 overall pick Joe Burrow than they did of protecting their quarterbacks in 2019, and while getting back 2019 first-round pick Jonah Williams will help, retirements hit the Bengals hard at guard last season. Taylor would give the Bengals a strong veteran on the interior, and this move could push them ahead of the 49ers and Chiefs if they want to target a front-seven piece.

I don't think any of the top three WRs are worth trading a 2021 first. There isn't a Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones in this class.

[Daver]

Barnwell released an all-trades mock today.

Trade with Green Bay Packers

Raiders get: 1-30, 2021 first-round pick
Packers get: 1-12, 5-159

Like the Eagles, the Packers find themselves in a difficult situation. They could comfortably stay put and know there will be an interesting wide receiver available to them with the 30th pick. If there's a guy they love, though, there's a decent chance he'll be off the board at No. 30. Again, here are ESPN's NFL draft predictor tool's estimated chances of the class' top wideouts being on the board at Nos. 12 and 30:

If the Packers are willing to take their chances waiting for Brandon Aiyuk or Denzel Mims, they'll be fine. With Aaron Rodgers declining and turning 37 in December, though, Green Bay should at least think about moving up to go after one of the top wideouts in this class in the hopes that he will make a more immediate impact. The Raiders also need help at wideout, but they're in Year 3 of Jon Gruden's 10-year contract and could still use the 19th pick on a wide receiver.

Trade with Cincinnati Bengals

Packers get: 2-33, 2021 second-round pick
Bengals get: 1-30, 2021 fourth-round pick, G Lane Taylor

The Packers are in the rare position of having too many starting linemen. Rookie Elgton Jenkins impressed filling in for Taylor last season, which makes the 30-year-old Taylor a trade candidate.

The Bengals need to do a better job of protecting likely No. 1 overall pick Joe Burrow than they did of protecting their quarterbacks in 2019, and while getting back 2019 first-round pick Jonah Williams will help, retirements hit the Bengals hard at guard last season. Taylor would give the Bengals a strong veteran on the interior, and this move could push them ahead of the 49ers and Chiefs if they want to target a front-seven piece.

I don't think any of the top three WRs are worth trading a 2021 first. There isn't a Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones in this class.

Man i dont know trading to 12 to get lamb or ruggs wow talk about dynamic i would do that if it means finally helping rogers for a change