OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

Tara Reade, the former Biden campaign staffer, has filed a criminal complaint against Biden for the alleged sexual assault he committed on her. I just found out that Biden fired her from his staff after she complained about his conduct back then. This is the guy we're putting up against Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

Seems the lady's credibility isn't what it should be. She's probably nuts - but then again, maybe she's right about Putin being a wonderful person, and his victims are the bad guys and gals.

Tar and feather the victim, eh? That's really below you.

If she filed a false report to the police, that's a crime. So if it's without basis she will get arrested.

I guess the Biden campaign let her go solely because of "general incompetence" coincidentally just after she complained about the alleged sexual assault? This is Sexual Harassment Training 101. And, even if she's a little "off," doesn't give Biden the right to attack her like that. I guess going after women perceived as being "vulnerable" is okay with you?

Biden's always doing creepy stuff with women and young girls, smelling their hair and getting in their faces.

I guess you didn't read the NY Times article. Funny, you used to cite to it all the time during the W. administration.

Last year, Ms. Reade and seven other women came forward to accuse Mr. Biden of kissing, hugging or touching them in ways that made them feel uncomfortable. Ms. Reade told The Times then that Mr. Biden had publicly stroked her neck, wrapped his fingers in her hair and touched her in ways that made her uncomfortable.

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The seven other women who had complained about Mr. Biden told the Times this month that they did not have any new information about their experiences to add, but several said they believed Ms. Reade’s account.

What's next? Bernie doesn't have any plans to financially support his agenda?

[duetta]

Tara Reade, the former Biden campaign staffer, has filed a criminal complaint against Biden for the alleged sexual assault he committed on her. I just found out that Biden fired her from his staff after she complained about his conduct back then. This is the guy we're putting up against Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

Seems the lady's credibility isn't what it should be. She's probably nuts - but then again, maybe she's right about Putin being a wonderful person, and his victims are the bad guys and gals.

Tar and feather the victim, eh? That's really below you.

If she filed a false report to the police, that's a crime. So if it's without basis she will get arrested.

Did you read the entire story? I did. She seems mentally unstable.

She told one story last year and a completely different one once she decided that she didn't want Biden to be the candidate. We live in extreme times and extreme times apparently bring out the worst in some people.

The stories about Biden being too physically intimate began over a year ago. We saw that tendency in action during Mayor Pete's endorsement of him a couple of months ago. That's why I posted it. It's what Biden does, for better or for worse. We've had no one come forward to allege anything like this at all, until this person.

And anyone who lives on Twitter, like she apparently does, is not the blushing rose type who is afraid to tell her story. By the time she came forward, women were routinely alleging far worse things about famous men - and being lauded for it. Her original story is completely consistent with the previous allegations against Biden. This story is not.

I'm sorry that your candidate did not get the nomination. Neither did mine. Get over it.

[GONYK]

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[Pointgod]

The current Republican Party is made up of cynical, politically craven idiots,

can you make your points without inflammatory generalizations?

how helpful would this be to your goal of getting people to work together despite political ideological differences, which is what america is supposed to be about?

When I talk about the party, I speak mainly about party leadership like Trump and his sychopant elected officials. Of course not all Republicans are like this, never Trump Republicans exist and I’ve given credit to Republicans that actually aren’t complete trash, but other than Justin Amash, Mitt Romney, a couple of Republican Governors, the current party never clears the morality bar and instead supports criminals, child predators, rapists and **** all over Democracy every chance they get in the name of power. This isn’t a policy disagreement. So when it comes to the party representation

[Pointgod]

Tara Reade, the former Biden campaign staffer, has filed a criminal complaint against Biden for the alleged sexual assault he committed on her. I just found out that Biden fired her from his staff after she complained about his conduct back then. This is the guy we're putting up against Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

Seems the lady's credibility isn't what it should be. She's probably nuts - but then again, maybe she's right about Putin being a wonderful person, and his victims are the bad guys and gals.

The Krassenstein brothers article is trash and to be honest, those guys are **** idiots. Here’s a much more balanced reporting about Tara Reade and her accusations against Biden.

https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/31/a-woman-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault-and-all-hell-breaks-loose-online-heres-what-we-know/

You don’t have to counter Wingo’s disgusting rhetoric that Biden is a rapist by attacking Reade. There are more nuanced positions you can take about the veracity of her allegations without bringing yourself down.

[Stannis]

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[GONYK]

Obama spent a full 10% of that speech talking about Bernie.

All in all, I thought it was an excellent speech, and laid out the argument to vote blue very clearly.

Nice preview of the convention.

[Stannis]

Obama spent a full 10% of that speech talking about Bernie.

All in all, I thought it was an excellent speech, and laid out the argument to vote blue very clearly.

Nice preview of the convention.

He spent even more time talking about progressive ideas. Then he transitioned it to getting the republicans out of the White House.

I'm not his biggest fan, but he did good here.

They just need to make sure Hillary doesn't try to crash the party.

[Capn'O]

Obama is such a great orator. I miss him. He could talk me into taking money directly out of my pocket.

IMO, there's an opportunity for a WPA/TVA type rebuild here. Hope that gets into the public conscious for this cycle.

[HarthorneWingo]

Tara Reade, the former Biden campaign staffer, has filed a criminal complaint against Biden for the alleged sexual assault he committed on her. I just found out that Biden fired her from his staff after she complained about his conduct back then. This is the guy we're putting up against Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

Seems the lady's credibility isn't what it should be. She's probably nuts - but then again, maybe she's right about Putin being a wonderful person, and his victims are the bad guys and gals.

The Krassenstein brothers article is trash and to be honest, those guys are **** idiots. Here’s a much more balanced reporting about Tara Reade and her accusations against Biden.

https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/31/a-woman-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault-and-all-hell-breaks-loose-online-heres-what-we-know/

You don’t have to counter Wingo’s disgusting rhetoric that Biden is a rapist by attacking Reade. There are more nuanced positions you can take about the veracity of her allegations without bringing yourself down.

You don't think forcibly sticking your finger up a woman's vagina without her consent is a form of rape?

Did you also not believe Professor Blasie-Ford's allegations against Justice Kavanaugh?

[seren]

I am not buying the progressive Obama again. Biden needs to come up with a significant progressive plan - not just edges. Otherwise, I am voting Green.

[HarthorneWingo]

Joe Biden’s new 2020 Presidential Campaign song! C'mon, just a little knee slapper to let the air out of the balloon.

Look, we got to get Trump out of the White House. We're just debating how best to make sure Biden wins and how is the best way to move forward. I'm encouraged by the Biden-Sanders task forces which have been formed to work on and develop ideas to these issues. I have no illusions that Biden will buy all the way in any of these policies but if we can move him to the left it's better than letting him wander to the right. Fingers crossed.

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[HarthorneWingo]

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[duetta]

You don't think forcibly sticking your finger up a woman's vagina without her consent is a form of rape?

Did you also not believe Professor Blasie-Ford's allegations against Justice Kavanaugh?

First point, if it could be proven that Biden did this, it would be outright sexual assault. The problem here is that she had an opportunity to present this charge when all the charges against Biden came forward and she apparently lied about what he had done.

Now, she is seeking to torpedo his candidacy as a partisan for another candidate, a candidate that few us in the Democratic party want anything to do with.

If this story had come out in 2019, and it had been considered credible, it is likely that another candidate would have emerged as the alternative to Sanders - perhaps Klobuchar, perhaps even Kamala Harris or Cory Booker (inasmuch as Biden's 'firewall' with African-American voters is the only thing that likely kept him alive in the race through his poor showings in the earlier debates and early primaries - whereas other candidates who might have received strong support in an alternative scenario received little to no support within that community and dropped out).

The point that should be crystal clear here is that many, many Democrats did not want a self-identified "socialist" as their candidate (including, as it turns out, the Warren voters like myself) - and would have been prepared to support any number of alternatives had Biden not been sucking up so much air in the room. We were all saddled with Biden.

If Biden gets torpedoed by this effort before or at the convention, we will not be settling for Sanders. I'd personally rather have one of Harris, Warren, Klobuchar, Booker, Inslee, Pete, or even Cuomo, at the head of our ticket - and am confident that they will trounce Trump in November.

[Pointgod]

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

Seems the lady's credibility isn't what it should be. She's probably nuts - but then again, maybe she's right about Putin being a wonderful person, and his victims are the bad guys and gals.

The Krassenstein brothers article is trash and to be honest, those guys are **** idiots. Here’s a much more balanced reporting about Tara Reade and her accusations against Biden.

https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/31/a-woman-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault-and-all-hell-breaks-loose-online-heres-what-we-know/

You don’t have to counter Wingo’s disgusting rhetoric that Biden is a rapist by attacking Reade. There are more nuanced positions you can take about the veracity of her allegations without bringing yourself down.

You don't think forcibly sticking your finger up a woman's vagina without her consent is a form of rape?

Did you also not believe Professor Blasie-Ford's allegations against Justice Kavanaugh?

What kind of stupid question is this? Calling Biden a rapist like there’s definitive proof is disgusting. One woman has accused him of sexual assault and there hasn’t been corroboration of her story or additional women to come out as of yet. This doesn’t mean Reade’s accusations aren’t credible but there needs to be deeper investigation before labelling Biden a rapist. I get why you do it, but no reasonable person should be doing that.

I believe Dr Ford’s allegations, it’s a different situation. Her story was vetted and corroborated, but in addition there were over dozens of people that could testify to Kavanaugh’s inappropriate behavior, not just with Ford but other women. Even then I don’t call Kavanaugh a rapist because this wasn’t a situation that was resolved through the courts. I will say he was alleged sexual and there’s enough credible supporting evidence to believe Ford.

[GONYK]

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[j4remi]

It's unfortunate Obama never got to run against Trump directly. His charisma and calculation would absolutely obliterate the man. And I'm by no means a big fan of his; I think he was both the best president of my lifetime and still had big flaws in areas I care about (treatment of whistleblowers and immigration policy being the big ones). But Trump is all image and no substance; Obama would crush that approach.

I'm still concerned for Biden's ability to campaign against Trump head to head as we close in on a general. I keep thinking back to the Joe Rogan drama last week where he said he can't vote for Biden after watching him speak. That turned into people attacking Rogan and Bernie; but the real takeaway for me was that casual observers aren't missing the Biden gaffes. I wonder if I could spin a "don't worry, Obama's in the background and won't let this fail because his legacy is attached to its success" message for those folks.

[GONYK]

It's unfortunate Obama never got to run against Trump directly. His charisma and calculation would absolutely obliterate the man. And I'm by no means a big fan of his; I think he was both the best president of my lifetime and still had big flaws in areas I care about (treatment of whistleblowers and immigration policy being the big ones). But Trump is all image and no substance; Obama would crush that approach.

I'm still concerned for Biden's ability to campaign against Trump head to head as we close in on a general. I keep thinking back to the Joe Rogan drama last week where he said he can't vote for Biden after watching him speak. That turned into people attacking Rogan and Bernie; but the real takeaway for me was that casual observers aren't missing the Biden gaffes. I wonder if I could spin a "don't worry, Obama's in the background and won't let this fail because his legacy is attached to its success" message for those folks.

I default to "I always vote for SC Justices, and only sometimes Presidents"

[j4remi]

It's unfortunate Obama never got to run against Trump directly. His charisma and calculation would absolutely obliterate the man. And I'm by no means a big fan of his; I think he was both the best president of my lifetime and still had big flaws in areas I care about (treatment of whistleblowers and immigration policy being the big ones). But Trump is all image and no substance; Obama would crush that approach.

I'm still concerned for Biden's ability to campaign against Trump head to head as we close in on a general. I keep thinking back to the Joe Rogan drama last week where he said he can't vote for Biden after watching him speak. That turned into people attacking Rogan and Bernie; but the real takeaway for me was that casual observers aren't missing the Biden gaffes. I wonder if I could spin a "don't worry, Obama's in the background and won't let this fail because his legacy is attached to its success" message for those folks.

I default to "I always vote for SC Justices, and only sometimes Presidents"

I don't see success with that appeal for casuals aka the types who only turn out once every 4 years.

[GONYK]

It's unfortunate Obama never got to run against Trump directly. His charisma and calculation would absolutely obliterate the man. And I'm by no means a big fan of his; I think he was both the best president of my lifetime and still had big flaws in areas I care about (treatment of whistleblowers and immigration policy being the big ones). But Trump is all image and no substance; Obama would crush that approach.

I'm still concerned for Biden's ability to campaign against Trump head to head as we close in on a general. I keep thinking back to the Joe Rogan drama last week where he said he can't vote for Biden after watching him speak. That turned into people attacking Rogan and Bernie; but the real takeaway for me was that casual observers aren't missing the Biden gaffes. I wonder if I could spin a "don't worry, Obama's in the background and won't let this fail because his legacy is attached to its success" message for those folks.

I default to "I always vote for SC Justices, and only sometimes Presidents"

I don't see success with that appeal for casuals aka the types who only turn out once every 4 years.

Gotcha.

I didn't see the Rogan podcast. Is he saying he's going independent, not voting at all, or going Trump?