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[basketballRob]

With the death toll much over 911, is it really fear mongering? Is the press passing a Patriot act? Are we invading two countries because of it? How do you define fear mongering?

How many deaths before it is no longer fear mongering? 100k? 200k?

I am talking long after the 14 and then 30 day stay at home restrictions were announced. The fear mongering never stopped.

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Easy answer. When it passes the total deaths from 2017 flu.

What was the death toll? I heard 2017 and 2018 was 60k, we could surpass that in a month.

My guess you didn't even research it.

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[spinedoc]

With the death toll much over 911, is it really fear mongering? Is the press passing a Patriot act? Are we invading two countries because of it? How do you define fear mongering?

How many deaths before it is no longer fear mongering? 100k? 200k?

I am talking long after the 14 and then 30 day stay at home restrictions were announced. The fear mongering never stopped.

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Easy answer. When it passes the total deaths from 2017 flu.

Okay, its time you start using your brain. You are devolving the conversation downward. We didn't have to shut the economy down for the flu. The death numbers for the flu and this pandemic are totally incomparable. This is what happens every time with conservatives, we have to walk you through this and hold your hand while doing it. Its time for you to catch up already. I'm not even going to ask why 2017 and not '18 or '19, just more distraction that doesn't have anything to do with the facts we need to focus on. Let's try having a shared conversation going forward.

[darthcheech2000]

Ok Pepe.
Did you post any predictions on death numbers in the past couple weeks by any chance?? Would love to see how they compare to what the Dr’s expect to be 60k in August. I remember a lot of the same tds people in here talking about hundreds of thousands.

Except the President and his white house stated those same numbers two weeks ago...

https://apnews.com/6ed70e9db88b80439a087fdad8238009

He did that as a full under promise over deliver tactic. Can’t blame them for that tbh.
I am talking about the people in here with the moving goalposts. The ones that were predicting hundreds of thousands to a million+ deaths. And since that no longer seems to be the case, now harp on the beginnings, or his rhetoric.

I guess thats the same tactic he used when he told us...

Everyone that wants a test, will get a test
Large Retailers will have testing drive throughs
Googles website is coming

[Ducklett]

Your blind comments are sad and troubling.

When models were projecting over 100k deaths only a major cities had issued shelter-in-place and few states were taking making wide steps. Meanwhile, we still had a leader in White House yet to believe this was even an issue to worry about. “It will soon fade away” he told us.

Look at the DRASTIC steps taken across the entire country since that time. Still, more than half a million people are confirmed to have had it and over 25,000 people have died. We know both of those are are lower than accurate due to a lack of tests, homeless population access and so on.

So what is the story here?

- social distancing is working

- but we started late

- therefore, it is fair to criticize our leaders (not just Trump) who both started this plan late and want to end them early

I am talking long after the 14 and then 30 day stay at home restrictions were announced. The fear mongering never stopped.

I don’t recall people here talking about “millions of deaths” 30 days after shelter in place went into effect. If that is so then yes, I agree.

They didn't change the numbers to 240K deaths until March 30th, to be fair. That was well into Shelter-in-places.

I haven't found a study that shows social distance works long term, but many universities/studies are suggesting/showing it may hamper/dampen our herd immunity for the predicted second run of this sometime in October. Not to suggest that social distancing was incorrect or doesn't work.

The CDC just ~30 minutes ago are saying we may need to social distance "well into 2022".

Via ABC News this morning: "Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned Wednesday that Americans should be prepared for a second wave of novel coronavirus infections in the winter, even as the epidemic appears to have hit its peak in parts of the country.
"I think we have to assume this is like other respiratory viruses and there will be a seasonality to it," Redfield told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos in an interview on "Good Morning America."" https://www.abc15.com/news/national/social-distancing-measures-may-be-necessary-into-2022-researchers-say

[spinedoc]

So, as information changes, we are now learning that this virus could be attacking your nervous system. That's why the lack of smell, and now finding seizures and twitching associated with it. Those symptoms can even be at the onset of this, the first sign you have been exposed or infected. I've also been tracking down a report that some may believe there could be brain damage associated with this as well. Don't want to get this, we shouldn't even be thinking that way now hoping to be in the recovered category. I'm very happy dodging this the best I can until the vaccine.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lost-smell-and-taste-hint-covid-19-can-target-the-nervous-system-67312

[Ducklett]

So, as information changes, we are now learning that this virus could be attacking your nervous system. That's why the lack of smell, and now finding seizures and twitching associated with it. Those symptoms can even be at the onset of this, the first sign you have been exposed or infected. I've also been tracking down a report that some may believe there could be brain damage associated with this as well. Don't want to get this, we shouldn't even be thinking that way now hoping to be in the recovered category. I'm very happy dodging this the best I can until the vaccine.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lost-smell-and-taste-hint-covid-19-can-target-the-nervous-system-67312

People were getting banned off twitter/facebook/reddit for reporting similar findings in late March lol.

[spinedoc]

As we feared, it seems most of the 2.2 trillion stimulus is set up to go to the wealthy. 43,000 families will be sucking up 80% of the total amount. They are allowing people who collect money on pass through income to use this stimulus retroactively over the last two years. Meaning, land developers like our beloved president will benefit greatly. Now we see why the inspector general was fired, yes a different one other than the intelligence community IG, and given to a white house lawyer to oversee. That means virtually no oversight at all. Priorities among the politicians are being exposed once again. Is this a left and right thing too? You can read and decide for yourself.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tax-provision-coronavirus-stimulus-mostly-benefit-wealthy-study-082040196--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews

[tiderulz]

As we feared, it seems most of the 2.2 trillion stimulus is set up to go to the wealthy. 43,000 families will be sucking up 80% of the total amount. They are allowing people who collect money on pass through income to use this stimulus retroactively over the last two years. Meaning, land developers like our beloved president will benefit greatly. Now we see why the inspector general was fired, yes a different one other than the intelligence community IG, and given to a white house lawyer to oversee. That means virtually no oversight at all. Priorities among the politicians are being exposed once again. Is this a left and right thing too? You can read and decide for yourself.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tax-provision-coronavirus-stimulus-mostly-benefit-wealthy-study-082040196--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews

thats the tax provision, not the stimulus money sent out. which i agree is bad, but isnt affecting the checks sent out

[spinedoc]

As we feared, it seems most of the 2.2 trillion stimulus is set up to go to the wealthy. 43,000 families will be sucking up 80% of the total amount. They are allowing people who collect money on pass through income to use this stimulus retroactively over the last two years. Meaning, land developers like our beloved president will benefit greatly. Now we see why the inspector general was fired, yes a different one other than the intelligence community IG, and given to a white house lawyer to oversee. That means virtually no oversight at all. Priorities among the politicians are being exposed once again. Is this a left and right thing too? You can read and decide for yourself.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tax-provision-coronavirus-stimulus-mostly-benefit-wealthy-study-082040196--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews

thats the tax provision, not the stimulus money sent out. which i agree is bad, but isnt affecting the checks sent out

True. That is one phase of the stimulus passed by congress, this is the tax provision part, but still part of the new spending stimulus. The checks being sent out are currently being held up to get Trump's signature on them. That's a different element, but you are correct. My point was that they are taking advantage of a crisis to get more money to the rich.

[tiderulz]

As we feared, it seems most of the 2.2 trillion stimulus is set up to go to the wealthy. 43,000 families will be sucking up 80% of the total amount. They are allowing people who collect money on pass through income to use this stimulus retroactively over the last two years. Meaning, land developers like our beloved president will benefit greatly. Now we see why the inspector general was fired, yes a different one other than the intelligence community IG, and given to a white house lawyer to oversee. That means virtually no oversight at all. Priorities among the politicians are being exposed once again. Is this a left and right thing too? You can read and decide for yourself.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tax-provision-coronavirus-stimulus-mostly-benefit-wealthy-study-082040196--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews

thats the tax provision, not the stimulus money sent out. which i agree is bad, but isnt affecting the checks sent out

True. That is one phase of the stimulus passed by congress, this is the tax provision part, but still part of the new spending stimulus. The checks being sent out are currently being held up to get Trump's signature on them. That's a different element, but you are correct. My point was that they are taking advantage of a crisis to get more money to the rich.

cmon, did you honestly expect congress not to do this?

[spinedoc]

One additional point to that above, is I don't get a check. Small business owners don't get a check because we make too much money. We are relying on either the tax provisions for relief or that silly plan to take out a low interest loan to pay our employees that we may or may not be forgiven from, which doesn't benefit us. Why would I take out a loan to pay someone that is at home not working? I gave my employees some relief, but I can't afford to do that long term, that's why we pay unemployment insurance. Its just a gimmick because the administration doesn't want to see the unemployment rate go up any more, hardly any of us are taking advantage of that. So, small businesses like mine, get screwed once again.

[spinedoc]

thats the tax provision, not the stimulus money sent out. which i agree is bad, but isnt affecting the checks sent out

True. That is one phase of the stimulus passed by congress, this is the tax provision part, but still part of the new spending stimulus. The checks being sent out are currently being held up to get Trump's signature on them. That's a different element, but you are correct. My point was that they are taking advantage of a crisis to get more money to the rich.

cmon, did you honestly expect congress not to do this?

Yes, that is the difference between the parties. Which party do you think pushed this? Its a Republican controlled Senate, this was one of their principled stances. That's why its not morally equivalent, and why I push back so hard when I see people say that. Not all of congress is the same! Who is for a higher minimum wage for example? Let's not do that time and time again.

[orlando_joe]

True. That is one phase of the stimulus passed by congress, this is the tax provision part, but still part of the new spending stimulus. The checks being sent out are currently being held up to get Trump's signature on them. That's a different element, but you are correct. My point was that they are taking advantage of a crisis to get more money to the rich.

cmon, did you honestly expect congress not to do this?

Yes, that is the difference between the parties. Which party do you think pushed this? Its a Republican controlled Senate, this was one of their principled stances. That's why its not morally equivalent, and why I push back so hard when I see people say that. Not all of congress is the same! Who is for a higher minimum wage for example? Let's not do that time and time again.

do you take responsibility for anything? why is everything trumps fault...he is not a god...cant make something or stop something out of thin air... i wont bother to list every thing dems do that i dont like my list is much to long...but vote buying is close to the top on both sides..be honest ..

[tiderulz]

True. That is one phase of the stimulus passed by congress, this is the tax provision part, but still part of the new spending stimulus. The checks being sent out are currently being held up to get Trump's signature on them. That's a different element, but you are correct. My point was that they are taking advantage of a crisis to get more money to the rich.

cmon, did you honestly expect congress not to do this?

Yes, that is the difference between the parties. Which party do you think pushed this? Its a Republican controlled Senate, this was one of their principled stances. That's why its not morally equivalent, and why I push back so hard when I see people say that. Not all of congress is the same! Who is for a higher minimum wage for example? Let's not do that time and time again.

and Pelosi pushed money performing arts ($25mil) the institute of library and museum services ($500 mil, when their previous year budget was $290m), $600 mil to National Endowment of the Arts and the Humanities (previous year budge $253m). so each side pushing their own pet projects. to me, those things didnt need stimulus money right now

[spinedoc]

cmon, did you honestly expect congress not to do this?

Yes, that is the difference between the parties. Which party do you think pushed this? Its a Republican controlled Senate, this was one of their principled stances. That's why its not morally equivalent, and why I push back so hard when I see people say that. Not all of congress is the same! Who is for a higher minimum wage for example? Let's not do that time and time again.

and Pelosi pushed money performing arts ($25mil) the institute of library and museum services ($500 mil, when their previous year budget was $290m), $600 mil to National Endowment of the Arts and the Humanities (previous year budge $253m). so each side pushing their own pet projects. to me, those things didnt need stimulus money right now

No argument here. I wasn't arguing that either was perfect, but its pretty clear that the right is for the rich. I think you know that though. 80% of the 2.2 trillion is quite a lot wouldn't you say? And retroactive? On top of a 1-2 trillion tax cut already under this administration? I don't really need to say this out loud.

[spinedoc]

cmon, did you honestly expect congress not to do this?

Yes, that is the difference between the parties. Which party do you think pushed this? Its a Republican controlled Senate, this was one of their principled stances. That's why its not morally equivalent, and why I push back so hard when I see people say that. Not all of congress is the same! Who is for a higher minimum wage for example? Let's not do that time and time again.

do you take responsibility for anything? why is everything trumps fault...he is not a god...cant make something or stop something out of thin air... i wont bother to list every thing dems do that i dont like my list is much to long...but vote buying is close to the top on both sides..be honest ..

Of course I do. I take responsibility for three employees, and just over 8,000 patients. What about you? I'm not looking for a hand out, I just want it to be fair. Why is the rich more responsible than me? I employ people, serve a needed function in my society. Besides, its about what is best stimulative. Giving the mega wealthy more money isn't stimulative. Having more money than you know what to do with doesn't make you spend any more, that's the definition of rich. Why are you voting against your own self interest? Are you a hedge fund manager or land developer? And when Obama was in office, I'm sure you complained plenty. Just imagine for one nano second that Obama said he had complete authority. Your head would have exploded, let's not be intellectually dishonest okay.

[Skybox]

As we feared, it seems most of the 2.2 trillion stimulus is set up to go to the wealthy. 43,000 families will be sucking up 80% of the total amount. They are allowing people who collect money on pass through income to use this stimulus retroactively over the last two years. Meaning, land developers like our beloved president will benefit greatly. Now we see why the inspector general was fired, yes a different one other than the intelligence community IG, and given to a white house lawyer to oversee. That means virtually no oversight at all. Priorities among the politicians are being exposed once again. Is this a left and right thing too? You can read and decide for yourself.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tax-provision-coronavirus-stimulus-mostly-benefit-wealthy-study-082040196--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews

thats the tax provision, not the stimulus money sent out. which i agree is bad, but isnt affecting the checks sent out

Here’s $1200 of your money back...now don’t pay attention to where the billions are going. You’re welcome.

[MagicFan101]

Paper stimulus checks delayed so that Trump’s name can be printed on each and every one of them.

Yes, because THAT is the important thing here. Yup, he really gets it ...

I really am at a loss for words.

[Driguez]

Paper stimulus checks delayed so that Trump’s name can be printed on each and every one of them.

Yes, because THAT is the important thing here. Yup, he really gets it ...

I really am at a loss for words.

Me and you both. I'm done with Trump and those who refuse to see his truth. Not republican truth, no Democrat truth, his truth.

[OrlandO]

Paper stimulus checks delayed so that Trump’s name can be printed on each and every one of them.

Yes, because THAT is the important thing here. Yup, he really gets it ...

I really am at a loss for words.

You think checks will be delayed because of a printed name?