Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74]

[F N 11]

He worked with Gilbert and known as a capologist. Can’t do any harm.

Tbh, Perry has been on the good side of rumors. Steve Mills was the bad one. I’m willing To give him another shot. Him and Leon cheering for RJ that first game may be a chance that they may build around him.

I'm not sure if RJ is someone you build around or if we still need that stud player to build around and RJ is just one of the pieces for building around him. I'm leaning right now that he's not that player and is just a good piece as part of a rebuild. I sure do hope i'm wrong but as we all know the Knicks always miss that star player in every draft by one pick and looks like that could be the case in last years draft and that Zion and Ja were the build around pieces.

RJ was always a top player growing up. I have no doubts this guys is going to be great. 2 way Slashing unstoppable playmaker is my view for him.

[HerSports85]

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We doing work. I feel like Miller would make it but I do not know about Perry. Perry May stay on because of connections.

[GONYK]

We doing work. I feel like Miller would make it but I do not know about Perry. Perry May stay on because of connections.

We have literally done nothing except bring on a capologist

[Capn'O]

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[Knicksfan1992]

I think Perry will still be gone/demoted, and they just have him finishing up the season. All these rumors of the search must have some truth behind it. Arturas would have been nice, but Bulls offered a higher positon. Rose is gonna want to bring in his guy and should...I would think. If not, it's a bad sign.

in either scenario perry failed.

He was either part of the decision making team to build this trash roster

or

He was a puppet that had no say and just listened to Steve Mills direction

either way that isn't a ringing endorsement for him staying. Seeing how Leon Rose has always been a big picture guy. We need a GM to be a in the weeds guy a guy that turns over every stone and has a lot of skill in roster building because Leon Rose is new to that. Perry is not that...

You know that is bs.. come on. This is not as black and white as you and others are making it seem. Mills had more power than Perry. If Mills wanted something as a President ultimately Perry had to listen to him even if he didn't agree. Point being we don't know what was a Perry move or a Mills move.

What we do know is that starting last summer there was some sort of friction between the 2 as was reported by multiple beat writers and that there was clearly a divide in what was a Mills move and what were Perry ideas/moves. Whatever trade Mills had lined up for Rozier seemed to be the final straw...

The one absolutely Perry move that we know about is trading Marcus Morris which I think shows what kind of direction Perry at least is thinking this team needs to be in. ( acquire assets and keep building)

Point being I think Perry deserves at least some benefit of the doubt considering he has been a part of multiple decent to good FO's and had a good reputation around the league prior to coming here. Whereas Mills's only experience as a basketball executive is being part of the fuqqery that has plagued us for the past 20 years...

Maybe Perry isn't the best possible person but if Leon, who has been around the club for months now and has relationships around the league that he can use as a comparison thinks Perry is a good asset in the role he is in we shouldn't have a reason to necessarily doubt his judgment yet.

[GONYK]

Do we think Jarret Jack, Ramon Sessions, Mudiay, and Elfrid Payton were Perry moves or Mills moves?

What about signing Randle and hiring Fizdale?

[mpharris36]

Do we think Jarret Jack, Ramon Sessions, Mudiay, and Elfrid Payton were Perry moves or Mills moves?

What about signing Randle and hiring Fizdale?

That is what im trying to say. This wasn't all Mills. Perry built the sacramento kings right before he left with (zach randolph, george hill, vince carter). The exact way we were built this year. He believes in have a deep roster and vet competition.

He absolutely doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because he was hand picked by mills to come over here and help build this team and help pick the coach. He failed just like Mills failed.

[Knicksfan1992]

Do we think Jarret Jack, Ramon Sessions, Mudiay, and Elfrid Payton were Perry moves or Mills moves?

What about signing Randle and hiring Fizdale?

I'll take the bait... First of all we have no idea unless you have sourced information what exactly Mills directives were and what has been turned down, offered, etc. Pretending to know that is talking out of your azz (pardon my french).

Does Perry hold some blame? Absolutely, but it's clear if you're reading tea leaves that people in organization felt that Mills deserved more of the blame than Perry for what happened this season..If that wasn't the case Perry would have went with Mills or it would have been Perry gone instead of Mills.

I understand the fear of keeping Perry around but fact is he has way more of a track record than Mills had and if you're going to hold the negatives over his head you also have to mention the positives as well.

Also most of the players you mentioned actually played decently well in a Knicks uniform relative to their standards. We don't like them because they were placeholders in over their head...

My whole point is Perry deserves more benefit of the doubt than Mills had because he has a good reputation around the league and a track record outside of what happened here.

It shouldn't be a "nail in the coffin" directive for Leon just because the Bulls hired a name from a small market (which everyone has a fetish for around here for some reason lol) which is why I think this debate has started.. I think it's silly, lacks actual knowledge, and is extremely reactionary.

[Knicksfan1992]

Do we think Jarret Jack, Ramon Sessions, Mudiay, and Elfrid Payton were Perry moves or Mills moves?

What about signing Randle and hiring Fizdale?

That is what im trying to say. This wasn't all Mills. Perry built the sacramento kings right before he left with (zach randolph, george hill, vince carter). The exact way we were built this year. He believes in have a deep roster and vet competition.

He absolutely doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because he was hand picked by mills to come over here and help build this team and help pick the coach. He failed just like Mills failed.

You going to mention that he drafted Fox, got Bogey there, or does that not fit your narrative?

Yeah cap fleixibility and decent vets on the roster is such a bad thing

[mpharris36]

Do we think Jarret Jack, Ramon Sessions, Mudiay, and Elfrid Payton were Perry moves or Mills moves?

What about signing Randle and hiring Fizdale?

That is what im trying to say. This wasn't all Mills. Perry built the sacramento kings right before he left with (zach randolph, george hill, vince carter). The exact way we were built this year. He believes in have a deep roster and vet competition.

He absolutely doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because he was hand picked by mills to come over here and help build this team and help pick the coach. He failed just like Mills failed.

You going to mention that he drafted Fox, got Bogey there, or does that not fit your narrative?

Yeah cap fleixibility and decent vets on the roster is such a bad thing

yes he drafted fox, a pretty obvious pick at the time. Were the kings a successful team from that offseason? Congrats he built a team that went 27-55. And the knicks have 17 and 21 wins in his too years as GM here.

So I don't get it...he gets credit for the good signings and draft picks as a GM but Mills and his other POBO at the time gets knocked for there bad signings or draft picks?

or is it equally shared? Or does that not fit your narrative?

[GONYK]

Do we think Jarret Jack, Ramon Sessions, Mudiay, and Elfrid Payton were Perry moves or Mills moves?

What about signing Randle and hiring Fizdale?

I'll take the bait... First of all we have no idea unless you have sourced information what exactly Mills directives were and what has been turned down, offered, etc. Pretending to know that is talking out of your azz (pardon my french).

Does Perry hold some blame? Absolutely, but it's clear if you're reading tea leaves that people in organization felt that Mills deserved more of the blame than Perry for what happened this season..If that wasn't the case Perry would have went with Mills or it would have been Perry gone instead of Mills.

I understand the fear of keeping Perry around but fact is he has way more of a track record than Mills had and if you're going to hold the negatives over his head you also have to mention the positives as well.

Also most of the players you mentioned actually played decently well in a Knicks uniform relative to their standards. We don't like them because they were placeholders in over their head...

My whole point is Perry deserves more benefit of the doubt than Mills had because he has a good reputation around the league and a track record outside of what happened here.

It shouldn't be a "nail in the coffin" directive for Leon just because the Bulls hired a name from a small market (which everyone has a fetish for around here for some reason lol) which is why I think this debate has started.. I think it's silly, lacks actual knowledge, and is extremely reactionary.

What have Perry's positives resulted in? Are we better, worse, or the same under his leadership? Do we know more, less, or the same about the direction of the Knicks now than we did in 2017?

If there was a VORP for execs, where do you think Perry falls?

[mpharris36]

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[mpharris36]

Do we think Jarret Jack, Ramon Sessions, Mudiay, and Elfrid Payton were Perry moves or Mills moves?

What about signing Randle and hiring Fizdale?

I'll take the bait... First of all we have no idea unless you have sourced information what exactly Mills directives were and what has been turned down, offered, etc. Pretending to know that is talking out of your azz (pardon my french).

Does Perry hold some blame? Absolutely, but it's clear if you're reading tea leaves that people in organization felt that Mills deserved more of the blame than Perry for what happened this season..If that wasn't the case Perry would have went with Mills or it would have been Perry gone instead of Mills.

I understand the fear of keeping Perry around but fact is he has way more of a track record than Mills had and if you're going to hold the negatives over his head you also have to mention the positives as well.

Also most of the players you mentioned actually played decently well in a Knicks uniform relative to their standards. We don't like them because they were placeholders in over their head...

My whole point is Perry deserves more benefit of the doubt than Mills had because he has a good reputation around the league and a track record outside of what happened here.

It shouldn't be a "nail in the coffin" directive for Leon just because the Bulls hired a name from a small market (which everyone has a fetish for around here for some reason lol) which is why I think this debate has started.. I think it's silly, lacks actual knowledge, and is extremely reactionary.

What have Perry's positives resulted in? Are we better, worse, or the same under his leadership? Do we know more, less, or the same about the direction of the Knicks now than we did in 2017?

If there was a VORP for execs, where do you think Perry falls?

a way I always evaluate executives would be if they were on the open market or there contract was up would other teams be banging at the door to hire them? If the answer is no. Then we can do a hell of a lot better.

For example of GM Bobby Webster hit the open market how many team would want him?

You take the guys total body of work and evaluate his history and there is absolutely nothing to get excited about with Perry building a roster.

[Capn'O]

I think Perry would be ok under a visionary POBO. He seems smart with finances and asset management but not good at all in player evaluation and roster construction. I'm not sure Rose is that visionary. He's more of what Mills was supposed to be - shmoozer and guy that gets deals done. Would prefer another face in the GM seat who has Perry's financial acumen but is also more tuned in to the modern game in their approach to roster evaluation.

[Capn'O]

Do we think Jarret Jack, Ramon Sessions, Mudiay, and Elfrid Payton were Perry moves or Mills moves?

What about signing Randle and hiring Fizdale?

I'll take the bait... First of all we have no idea unless you have sourced information what exactly Mills directives were and what has been turned down, offered, etc. Pretending to know that is talking out of your azz (pardon my french).

Does Perry hold some blame? Absolutely, but it's clear if you're reading tea leaves that people in organization felt that Mills deserved more of the blame than Perry for what happened this season..If that wasn't the case Perry would have went with Mills or it would have been Perry gone instead of Mills.

I understand the fear of keeping Perry around but fact is he has way more of a track record than Mills had and if you're going to hold the negatives over his head you also have to mention the positives as well.

Also most of the players you mentioned actually played decently well in a Knicks uniform relative to their standards. We don't like them because they were placeholders in over their head...

My whole point is Perry deserves more benefit of the doubt than Mills had because he has a good reputation around the league and a track record outside of what happened here.

It shouldn't be a "nail in the coffin" directive for Leon just because the Bulls hired a name from a small market (which everyone has a fetish for around here for some reason lol) which is why I think this debate has started.. I think it's silly, lacks actual knowledge, and is extremely reactionary.

What have Perry's positives resulted in? Are we better, worse, or the same under his leadership? Do we know more, less, or the same about the direction of the Knicks now than we did in 2017?

If there was a VORP for execs, where do you think Perry falls?

VORGM?

[HarthorneWingo]

I'll take the bait... First of all we have no idea unless you have sourced information what exactly Mills directives were and what has been turned down, offered, etc. Pretending to know that is talking out of your azz (pardon my french).

Does Perry hold some blame? Absolutely, but it's clear if you're reading tea leaves that people in organization felt that Mills deserved more of the blame than Perry for what happened this season..If that wasn't the case Perry would have went with Mills or it would have been Perry gone instead of Mills.

I understand the fear of keeping Perry around but fact is he has way more of a track record than Mills had and if you're going to hold the negatives over his head you also have to mention the positives as well.

Also most of the players you mentioned actually played decently well in a Knicks uniform relative to their standards. We don't like them because they were placeholders in over their head...

My whole point is Perry deserves more benefit of the doubt than Mills had because he has a good reputation around the league and a track record outside of what happened here.

It shouldn't be a "nail in the coffin" directive for Leon just because the Bulls hired a name from a small market (which everyone has a fetish for around here for some reason lol) which is why I think this debate has started.. I think it's silly, lacks actual knowledge, and is extremely reactionary.

What have Perry's positives resulted in? Are we better, worse, or the same under his leadership? Do we know more, less, or the same about the direction of the Knicks now than we did in 2017?

If there was a VORP for execs, where do you think Perry falls?

VORGM?

I don't think Perry has put together a large enough body of work for us to judge him on. Especially with Mills being head of bball operations.

[HEZI]

I don't see Perry as a creative basketball mind so he needs to go. Let Rose handle the business side of things but we need a visionary basketball mind to work under him

[mpharris36]

I don't see Perry as a creative basketball mind so he needs to go. Let Rose handle the business side of things but we need a visionary basketball mind to work under him

this is all that needed to be said

[GONYK]

I think Perry would be ok under a visionary POBO. He seems smart with finances and asset management but not good at all in player evaluation and roster construction. I'm not sure Rose is that visionary. He's more of what Mills was supposed to be - shmoozer and guy that gets deals done. Would prefer another face in the GM seat who has Perry's financial acumen but is also more tuned in to the modern game in their approach to roster evaluation.

I agree that Perry would work well with a visionary, because he's a good pair of hands. He will do the leg work with diligence.

He has no vision himself though. He's like if a C+ became a person.