2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[moocow007]

Not that I watch or care about the Liberty, but it is funny how their about to have a draft that every Knick fan would kill for.
- First overall pick with a star available.
- Four first round picks in the top 15.

The Liberty actually have 5 1st round pick in the top 15 (1, 9, 12, 13 and 15)

But yeah the Liberty is expected to take the one player that is better than everyone else...Sabrina Ionescu of Oregon. She's basically the female version of Luka Doncic with more relative athleticism. She would probably be the best PG if she was on the Knicks.

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[moocow007]

I'm curious to see how everyone thinks Hayes can play alongside RJ? Don't they both need the ball in their hands? Both lefty dominant? Both have suspect jumpers? The Knicks (if selecting KH) would be wise imo to move RJ to SF.... I just don't like them paired in the backcourt

The Knicks are not at a point where they should be drafting based on need or on some pretense that they should be putting together a team that can challenge for anything. Other than Detroit and Cleveland the Knicks are generally considered the least talented team in the NBA. They need talent. If Hayes can become a LaMelo Ball like guy without the baggage then you take him. Just like you take Ball if he's still there. Doesn't matter if either guy can't shoot. None of these guys can shoot other than Haliburton. And Haliburton has limited upside and is really not an NBA caliber starting PG.

[moocow007]

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i don't know if i expected lamelo to be that much in the lead

That's not a surprise at all really. Ball is by far the most popular player in this draft among the masses and media. He's got a huge personality, is the most flashy player and he plays a position the Knicks haven't gotten right since Clyde Frazier (and maybe a couple years of Michael Ray Richardson). The media has been driving in the nail on the Knicks need being a PG and Ball is the best PG in the draft.

[moocow007]

I don’t see the Knicks selecting anyone other than hailburton or cole..

This would be typical Knicks if true. One low ceiling combo guard that really doesn't do anything really well and the other a posterchild of everything wrong about a player on the Knicks for the past 20 years.

[moocow007]

VanVleet would provide the Knicks with a steady hand to come in and lead this team. He is a true floor general. VanVleet controls the game very well and could help in the growth and development of the Knicks’ young players. Also, VanVleet is still young enough to fit the timeline of Barrett and Robinson. He provides the best of both worlds.

I certainly do like Vanfleet and would welcome him on this team. However I certainly don't want to give him a max contract - and I think that's exactly what it would take to bring him over.

Yeah the only way I'd give him a max contract is if Pascal Siakam, Masai Ujiri and half the Raptor team comes with him to NY.

[moocow007]

Everyone getting compared to Kawhi now lol

Yep. Every college player that is a elite athletic defender with long arms is the next Kawhi Leonard or Giannis Antetokounmpo depending on their height.

[moocow007]

This young man says the Knicks select Haliburton at 6 and that he has a high ceiling.

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This young man needs to either watch the player more thoroughly or look at getting a better prescription on his corrective eyewear. What was his opinion of Jarrett Culver? A guy that can put up triple doubles in the NBA (as some has said) or a guy that can put up triple singles as what he appears to be?

[moocow007]

https://grantland.com/features/the-nba-draft-lottery-player-guide/

Kawhi Leonard
Age: 20
Height: 6-7
Weight: 225
San Diego State

Kawhi Leonard is one of the most physically gifted players in this year’s draft pool. With his height, bulk and leaping ability, Leonard looks like he could become the prototypical NBA small forward. Questions remain about his outside shot — he made just 29 percent of his 3s last season — and whether he can create his own shot. His skills might be better suited to play the power forward position, where he’d be seriously undersized at 6-foot-7. Leonard also played passive at times at San Diego State, sometimes disappearing for long stretches of games. The player from this draft he most resembles is Tristan Thompson, another undersized post player who relies on hustle and strength. Of the two, Leonard is shorter but has a better chance at playing the post. He has a 7-3 wingspan and should be good for at least one YouTube-worthy dunk or block per week. If he develops a jumper and improves his ability to finish at the rim, Leonard could become more than just a defensive role player.

CEILING: Gerald Wallace
FLOOR: Ronaldo Balkman
MOST TELLING STAT: Hand measurements (9.8 inches long, 11.3 inches wide)

Anyway, give me 2 picks at 27 and I'll give you 2. We'll circle back.

Dude stop buying into whatever it is you're trying to find. Like I said the vid you originally posted is a fluff peice (hopefully you didn't create it). Nothing about what was mentioned in that vid indicates Bey is the next Kawhi...other than the title of the vid.

What that vid showed is that Beys strength is defense. Folks for some odd reason keep thinking that any wing with a big wingspan that plays defense is the next Kawhi Leonard and continue to fail to understand that Kawhi Leonard is not just a defensive wing with a big wingspan. Just like people that think all it takes to be successful in the NBA today is adding shooters. Its not that simple and formulaic.

As far as challenging me to a bottom first "who's going to be best?" thing? You sure you want to do that lol? I've called some of the best late 1st early 2nd guys in the last 20 drafts. And even then you do realize that that we wouldn't do anything to prove Bey is the next Kawhi right? Bey could turn out to be just like the guy I said he's like (Andre Roberson)and it still be a great pick at the bottom of the 1st. So theoretically we could pick the same guy.

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Just give me your 2 picks at 27.....

Is this to guess who the Knicks will pick at 27 or who the best player in this draft will be from 27 on or which guy projected to be available at 27 will be the next Kawhi Leonard? Am I basing my picks on a specific board or guessing at who will be available at 27 on my own? Depending on what you are asking the answers would be different. If we are going to have a competition or bet it should be based on some mock where we pick "guy who turns out to be the best player based on this mock draft on or after pick 27". As it is I like Vernon Carey and Jalen Smith in that range. Both guys are already gone on some mocks, one or the other still available at 27. Very few mocks have both available at 27.

And it's funny cause you're as wordy as me. Only is you copy and paste other peoples opinion while I actually type my own.

[robillionaire]

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i don't know if i expected lamelo to be that much in the lead

This is how I know we won't get him. This fanbase isn't allowed to be happy

[moocow007]

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i don't know if i expected lamelo to be that much in the lead

This is how I know we won't get him. This fanbase isn't allowed to be happy

My prediction is that the Pistons will win the lottery and take Ball. Knicks will end up picking 8th and take Cole ("CAA") Anthony.

[HarthorneWingo]

This young man says the Knicks select Haliburton at 6 and that he has a high ceiling.

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This young man needs to either watch the player more thoroughly or look at getting a better prescription on his corrective eyewear. What was his opinion of Jarrett Culver? A guy that can put up triple doubles in the NBA (as some has said) or a guy that can put up triple singles as what he appears to be?

Do you disagree on Haliburton? Or all of it?

[Fat]

Would be hilarious if rj Hampton ended up being the best guard and nobody saw it coming

[blanko]

Would be hilarious if rj Hampton ended up being the best guard and nobody saw it coming

Well this draft is considered somewhat of a crapshoot so....

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[HEZI]

Lamelo Ball's team finished 5-23. Am I the only one that sees the strategic reason for him going to that awful team all the way in Australia? He went there to raise his draft stock and that's the trap I'm really hesitant to fall into when it comes to him. His percentages weren't good, his team was awful, his comp looked weak but he had some flashy highlights and that's cute and all but seriously I can't see the impact. For all the hype around him there isn't much impact, not just in his team success but even his individual numbers aren't anything amazing. I see the playmaking ability, sure he can change direction and drop some dimes and has some crafty finishes around the basket, I see that, although he can't do a hesi without carrying the ball in the most blatant way possible but that's irrelevant (sort of because I'm not sure how much he gets away with that even in the modern NBA lol), but I'm trying to look at the bigger picture and I'm going to have to be really really cautious when it comes to him.

[KnicksGadfly]

Not that I watch or care about the Liberty, but it is funny how their about to have a draft that every Knick fan would kill for.
- First overall pick with a star available.
- Four first round picks in the top 15.

The Liberty actually have 5 1st round pick in the top 15 (1, 9, 12, 13 and 15)

But yeah the Liberty is expected to take the one player that is better than everyone else...Sabrina Ionescu of Oregon. She's basically the female version of Luka Doncic with more relative athleticism. She would probably be the best PG if she was on the Knicks.

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Damn you're selling me on becoming a fan...sheeeeit

[Oscirus]

Didnt the liberty just trade off their franchise player and arent the liberty guard heavy as **** right now? Awesome guards but still.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I'm curious to see how everyone thinks Hayes can play alongside RJ? Don't they both need the ball in their hands? Both lefty dominant? Both have suspect jumpers? The Knicks (if selecting KH) would be wise imo to move RJ to SF.... I just don't like them paired in the backcourt

I think Hayes would fit in well. Good teams have multiple players that need the ball in their hands so it's something thats needed as long as it's the right kind of player. I like RJ as a secondary facilitator, but he still needs help and a good PG.

Shooting is def one of the things Hayes needs to improve, but there are a lot of signs he can become a decent/good shooter (improved as the year went along, great FT shooter, form, etc).

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Y’all like Ayo? Just declared.

[8516knicks]

VanVleet would provide the Knicks with a steady hand to come in and lead this team. He is a true floor general. VanVleet controls the game very well and could help in the growth and development of the Knicks’ young players. Also, VanVleet is still young enough to fit the timeline of Barrett and Robinson. He provides the best of both worlds.

I certainly do like Vanfleet and would welcome him on this team. However I certainly don't want to give him a max contract - and I think that's exactly what it would take to bring him over.

Yeah the only way I'd give him a max contract is if Pascal Siakam, Masai Ujiri and half the Raptor team comes with him to NY.

So, you're saying there's a chance?

[robillionaire]

Lamelo Ball's team finished 5-23. Am I the only one that sees the strategic reason for him going to that awful team all the way in Australia? He went there to raise his draft stock and that's the trap I'm really hesitant to fall into when it comes to him. His percentages weren't good, his team was awful, his comp looked weak but he had some flashy highlights and that's cute and all but seriously I can't see the impact. For all the hype around him there isn't much impact, not just in his team success but even his individual numbers aren't anything amazing. I see the playmaking ability, sure he can change direction and drop some dimes and has some crafty finishes around the basket, I see that, although he can't do a hesi without carrying the ball in the most blatant way possible but that's irrelevant (sort of because I'm not sure how much he gets away with that even in the modern NBA lol), but I'm trying to look at the bigger picture and I'm going to have to be really really cautious when it comes to him.

lamelo only played in 12 of those games before he hurt his foot and sat out the rest of the way. they were 3-9 at that point which is still bad but they fact they were 2-11 without him shows it was a really bad team which we knew before he joined them. He didn't move the needle much but it's hard for a 18 year old to come in and make the worst team in a professional adult league much better no matter who you are. That's easier to do in the NCAA but some other top prospects like edwards (16-16 2nd to last place in the SEC) halibuton (9-13 before he got injured) cole (14-19 10-12 in games he played in and 2nd worst team in the ACC) etc couldn't make their team a winner even on that level. hayes team was below average in the german league as well. Some players on winning teams at the top of the draft would be avdija, toppin, okoro, maxey, okongwu. Anyway, as a believer in the level of competition in the NBL I don't hold his failure to make that team better against him. Hampton, who I still think is a promising talent, went 15-13 however he had little to no impact on that.

Also, there's nothing wrong with someone wanting to raise their draft stock, it's a business. I'm not totally sure he was even eligible to play in the NCAA and the Ball name was so stigmatized at that point he might not have got a fair shake. But he did there and the top scouts and analysts noticed and rate him accordingly. More and more players are beginning to go a different route, see my post below this one

edit: I feel a response to this would be, if "he couldn't make a bad NBL team better how could he make a bad NBA team better" and I say he probably wouldn't. At least not in year 1, the knicks would still be rebuilding and while he has natural talent in some areas he still needs a lot of player development in others. I'm fine with that though. We still need a couple more high draft picks, like maybe Green or Bates. Also, Trae Young's team was bad in the NCAA and the Hawks have been one of the worst teams in the league for the past 2 years and I'd still love to have him at PG as well.