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[orlando_joe]

dont tell me you dont think he would wake from a nap and do it if he would have thought of it...lol...him taking 2 questions every 6 months ..was classic ...he did not like work thats for sure..just bowing

You don't have better arguments? Or anything resembling an argument?

There is about 3-4, if not more, of ad hom about Trump in this thread... lol. IE discussing if he is narcissistic or insecure...

That doesn't make this guy's "hot take" on Obama acceptable either, but the lack of self-awareness is a bit absurd.

the point was ..and is all presidents are...i mean come on..lol...why would anyone argue that

[spinedoc]

dont tell me you dont think he would wake from a nap and do it if he would have thought of it...lol...him taking 2 questions every 6 months ..was classic ...he did not like work thats for sure..just bowing

You don't have better arguments? Or anything resembling an argument?

There is about 3-4, if not more, of ad hom about Trump in this thread... lol. IE discussing if he is narcissistic or insecure...

That doesn't make this guy's "hot take" on Obama acceptable either, but the lack of self-awareness is a bit absurd.

Alright, absurd is a bit strong, but okay. You think we are unaware that we are criticizing Trump while calling others out? No, I'm very much aware, but its not out of thin air. We are currently in the middle of a stressful crisis, where he is the one in charge. I think it has direct bearing on the subject. The outlier here is someone criticizing the previous president for being lazy. I don't see the relevance of that. You see both sides criticizing leaders of their opposite party and see it as being the same thing. This is what I keep calling moral equivalence. Its not the same, in context, meaning, relevance, or intent. When I put out the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder, or when Xatticus thinks he's insecure, those aren't ad hominem attacks. Those are legitimate concerns of the severe abhorrent behavior we've been witnessing. I challenge you to show me one thing on that list that doesn't apply to Trump. We care about this because the decisions we make now will have dramatic effects on our lives going forward. I have to disagree with you, its not the same D.

[Xatticus]

"retool the line"? what is this, the 1950's?

you know im no Trump fan, but i dont see this delaying checks. its a coding change, wont take long at all. and yes, it is nacissism

It’s not narcissism. I’m skeptical that he is actually narcissistic. To the contrary, I think he is terribly insecure. I don’t think he believes the crap he shovels. I think he believes that a lot of people are dumb enough to believe his crap as long as he conveys authority.

He slaps his name on anything he can. He steals credit whenever he can. Why would he pass up the opportunity to do so in this case?

Oh no?

Symptoms
Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
Take advantage of others to get what they want
Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Be envious of others and believe others envy them
Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

I have zero doubt that Trump has narcissistic personality disorder, but that is a psychiatric diagnosis that borrows its name from narcissism. Narcissism is when one falls in love with who they think they are.

[Gomagic44]

I'm just kind of disgusted with my fellow countryman. How anyone could watch this dumpster fire and back Mr. Trump was beyond me. Then we got a literal "pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps retort". It's hard for me to stay in this thread because it makes me angry. Screw 911, y'all are fearmongering this virus that's killed 30k Americans in 3 months! So what if it didn't exist before! It's nothing like that thing that already exists!

Idiocracy is becoming reality.

And these **** morons in Michigan blocking traffic to a hospital. Organized by a devos group. Wheres the law and order now boys? You support law and order when your boy is at the helm. But when that liberal woman makes rules!!!! Let's block the streets! That'll show em!

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[tiderulz]

Really? How dense do you have to be? You don't think that will delay them to retool the line? No comment on the narcissism that its the first time in history that a president had made such a request either? I've come to believe that Trump followers really don't stand for anything, just as long as it pisses off liberals. Nice way to run a country.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/15/21222046/trump-name-stimulus-checks-delays

"retool the line"? what is this, the 1950's?

you know im no Trump fan, but i dont see this delaying checks. its a coding change, wont take long at all. and yes, it is nacissism

The Treasury Department on Monday finalized a decision to have Trump’s name appear in the memo line of the $1,200 stimulus checks each American will receive as part of the coronavirus relief bill passed by Congress last month, the Washington Post reported.

Engineers have to make a computer programming change and then test the system in order to insert Trump’s name on the checks, which will take time and likely cause a delay in the first batch of checks, two senior officials told the Washington Post.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/04/14/stimulus-checks-may-be-delayed-because-trump-wants-his-name-printed-on-them-report-says/amp/

Btw, this decision...ahem order was finalized a couple of days ago. It's been several weeks since the bill was signed....people needed more weeks ago and needless delays for ego and marketing...

all depends on which article you believe. not saying either is right or wrong.

The Treasury Department assured the nation there are no delays to stimulus checks and that everything is on schedule.

https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-delayed-payment-irs-1498062

[tiderulz]

Really? How dense do you have to be? You don't think that will delay them to retool the line? No comment on the narcissism that its the first time in history that a president had made such a request either? I've come to believe that Trump followers really don't stand for anything, just as long as it pisses off liberals. Nice way to run a country.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/15/21222046/trump-name-stimulus-checks-delays

"retool the line"? what is this, the 1950's?

you know im no Trump fan, but i dont see this delaying checks. its a coding change, wont take long at all. and yes, it is nacissism

It’s not narcissism. I’m skeptical that he is actually narcissistic. To the contrary, I think he is terribly insecure. I don’t think he believes the crap he shovels. I think he believes that a lot of people are dumb enough to believe his crap as long as he conveys authority.

He slaps his name on anything he can. He steals credit whenever he can. Why would he pass up the opportunity to do so in this case?

sounds like Trump to me.

How do I spot a narcissist? Narcissism is characterized by a grandiose sense of self-importance, a lack of empathy for others, a need for excessive admiration, and the belief that one is unique and deserving of special treatment.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/narcissism

[Gomagic44]

My first wife was a narcissist I believe and I found this to be the most informative thing about them.

A narcisissts prayer:

That didn't happen
And if it did, it wasn't that bad
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it
And if I did.....
You deserved it

You can see the pressers follow the path of this.


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[spinedoc]

I have zero doubt that Trump has narcissistic personality disorder, but that is a psychiatric diagnosis that borrows its name from narcissism. Narcissism is when one falls in love with who they think they are.

...which borrows its name from Narcissus, who couldn't stop looking at his image in the water, and then became a flower that is now found around lakes. I have a bachelors degree in Psychology and have also taken a class on Greek Mythology, lol. It doesn't make me an expert, but certainly influences my opinion. I'm going to go with the psychological diagnosis reference then just to be clear, that's the point I was trying to make.

[nymets1]

Last night's numbers as of 9pm from bing.com/covid

USA-612,380 confirmed cases(+22,028 confirmed cases), Recoveries- 48,036(+4443 increase), Deaths- 29,768(+6191 increase)
New York- 202,630 confirmed cases(+4071 increase), Recoveries- 26,999(+3112 increase)
New jersey- 68,824 confirmed cases(+6666 increase)
Mass- 28,163 confirmed cases(+2688 increase)
Michigan- 27,001 confirmed cases(+2363 increase)
Penn- 25,345 confirmed cases(+2512 increase)
California- 25,145 confirmed cases(+1342 increase)
Illinois- 23,247 confirmed cases(+1222 increase)
Florida- 21,628 confirmed cases(+1027 increase)
Louisana- 21, 518 confirmed cases(+502 increase)
Texas- 14,624 confirmed cases(+152 increase)
Georgia- 14,578 confirmed cases(+1263 increase)
Connecticut- 13,989 confirmed cases(+1954 increase)
Washington- 10,538 confirmed cases(+314 increase)
Maryland- 9472 confirmed cases(+532 increase)

Spain- 174,060 confirmed cases(+1184 increase), Recoveries- 67,504(+2777 increase)
Italy- 162,488 confirmed cases(+1277 increase), Recoveries- 37,130(+1695 increase)
France- 143,303 confirmed cases(+5437 increase), Recoveries- 28,805(+1087 increase)
Germany- 49,267 active cases, Recoveries- 79,751(+22,492 increase)
United Kingdom- 93,873 confirmed cases(+5252 increase), (Newly tracked UK because they are approaching 100,000 confirmed cases)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

USA- 613,886 confirmed cases, Recoveries- 38,820, Deaths- 26,047
New York- +7468 increase in confirmed cases
New Jersey- +4240 increase in confirmed cases
Mass- +1296 increase in confirmed cases
Michigan- +1366 increase in confirmed cases
California- +1338 increase in confirmed cases
Penn- +1173 increase in confirmed cases
Illinois- +1222 increase in confirmed cases
Florida- +609 increase in confirmed cases
Louisana- +502 increase in confirmed cases
Texas- +736 increase in confirmed cases
Georgia- +957 increase in confirmed cases
Connecticut- +608 increase in confirmed cases
Washington- +92 increase in confirmed cases

1. Bing shows Florida over 1000 new confirmed cases today but worldometers shows Florida with 609 increase. If worldometers is correct, This would be the 1st full day of Florida being under 1000 new cases in a day. On Wednesday at the end of the day, I want to see both worldometers and bing both consistent and have their reported number under 1000. We can't have 1 site show +609 increase and the other site show +1027 increase.

2- USA over 4000+ recoveries today great job. 4000 recoveries per day for the USA is a goal we want to shoot for every day.
3. Germany over 22,000 recoveries today OMG how did they get that big of a number
4. New Jersey- I don't see them slowing down yet, could that state reach 100,000 confirmed cases in the next 6 to 7 days?
5. Both bing and worldometers have Lousiana with the same exact number of +502 increase in new confirmed cases today. Lousiana is now 4 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases
6. Washington is now 12 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases, They are approaching 2 full weeks.
7. Texas now has 3 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases.
8. Maryland- Newly tracked because they are approaching 10,000 confirmed cases which will happen Wednesday or Thursday. If Maryland has an increase of +532 which they had today, They hit 10,000 confirmed cases on Wednesday

Today's numbers as of 9:30 pm from bing.com/covid

USA-641,919 confirmed cases(+25,379), Recoveries- 52,196(+4160), Deaths- 28,399(+2450)
New York- 213,779 confirmed cases(+10,330 increase), Recoveries- 27,598(+819 increase)
New Jersey- 71,030 confirmed cases(+2206 increase)
Mass- 29,918 confirmed cases(+1755 increase)
Michigan- 28,059 confirmed cases(+630 increase)
California- 26,665 confirmed cases(+1169 increase)
Pennsylvania- 26,490 confirmed cases(+2291 increase)
Illinois- 24,593 confirmed cases(+1346 increase)
Florida- 22,519 confirmed cases(+891 increase)
Louisana- 21,951 confirmed cases(+935 increase)
Texas- 15,492 confirmed cases, Active cases- 11,978
Georgia- 15,260 confirmed cases(+1037 increase)
Connecticut- 14,755 confirmed cases(+766 increase)
Washington- 11,154 confirmed cases(+616 increase)
Maryland- 10,032 confirmed cases(+560 increase)

Spain- 180,659 confirmed cases(+3250 increase), Recoveries- 70,853(+3349 increase)
Italy- 165, 155 confirmed cases(+1705 increase), Recoveries- 38,092(+962 increase)
France- 147,863 confirmed cases(+2410 increase), Recoveries- 30,955(+2150 increase)
Germany- 134,753 confirmed cases, Active cases- 45,875, Recoveries- 85,074(+5323 increase)
UK- 98,476 confirmed cases(+4603 increase), Recoveries- 1918

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

USA-644,089 confirmed cases, Recovered- 48,701, Deaths- 28,529
New York- 214,648 confirmed cases
New Jersey- 71,030 confirmed cases
Mass- 29,918 confirmed cases
Michigan-28,059 confirmed cases
California- 26,838 confirmed cases
Penn- 26,753 confirmed cases
Illinois- 24,593 confirmed cases
Florida- 22,519 confirmed cases
Louisana- 21,951 confirmed cases
Texas- 16,009 confirmed cases
Georgia- 15,260 confirmed cases
Connecticut- 14,755 confirmed cases
Washington- 10,910 confirmed cases
Maryland- 10,032 confirmed cases

1. Both Bing and Worldometers show Florida with 22,519 confirmed cases(+891 increase). Florida now has 2 straight days of new confirmed cases under 1000 for each day.
2. Germany had over 5000 recoveries today
3. USA again with back to back days with recoveries of 4000+ each day
4. New Jersey is less than 30,000 away from potentially reaching 100,000 confirmed cases
5. Both Bing and Worldometers have Louisana with 21,951 confirmed cases, Louisana had a increase of 935 new cases and kept it under 1000 so Louisana now has 5 straight days of low increase in confirmed cases/ keeping their new cases under 1000 for the day.
6. Washington is now 13 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases, Thursday is approaching 2 full weeks.
7. Texas now 4 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases
8. This is my 2nd day tracking Maryland as they now have reached over 10,000 confirmed cases with 10,302
9. This is my 2nd day tracking United Kingdom as they approaching 100,000 cases, Now have 98,476 and they'll over 100,000 Thursday
10. I might be adding Indiana and Colorado soon as they might be reaching 9000 and 10,000 soon.
11. USA needs to keep working on these recoveries each day. USA has more recoveries than France and Italy but Spain and Germany have more recoveries than the USA. Figure out what Spain and Germany is doing because them 2 are the top 2 leaders in recoveries. Work each day on recoveries and let's try to catch Spain or Germany with their recovery number.

[orlando_joe]

"retool the line"? what is this, the 1950's?

you know im no Trump fan, but i dont see this delaying checks. its a coding change, wont take long at all. and yes, it is nacissism

The Treasury Department on Monday finalized a decision to have Trump’s name appear in the memo line of the $1,200 stimulus checks each American will receive as part of the coronavirus relief bill passed by Congress last month, the Washington Post reported.

Engineers have to make a computer programming change and then test the system in order to insert Trump’s name on the checks, which will take time and likely cause a delay in the first batch of checks, two senior officials told the Washington Post.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/04/14/stimulus-checks-may-be-delayed-because-trump-wants-his-name-printed-on-them-report-says/amp/

Btw, this decision...ahem order was finalized a couple of days ago. It's been several weeks since the bill was signed....people needed more weeks ago and needless delays for ego and marketing...

all depends on which article you believe. not saying either is right or wrong.

The Treasury Department assured the nation there are no delays to stimulus checks and that everything is on schedule.

https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-delayed-payment-irs-1498062

sorry but if him putting his name on check makes you all this upset...i have 1 word..pathetic

[orlando_joe]

I'm just kind of disgusted with my fellow countryman. How anyone could watch this dumpster fire and back Mr. Trump was beyond me. Then we got a literal "pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps retort". It's hard for me to stay in this thread because it makes me angry. Screw 911, y'all are fearmongering this virus that's killed 30k Americans in 3 months! So what if it didn't exist before! It's nothing like that thing that already exists!

Idiocracy is becoming reality.

And these **** morons in Michigan blocking traffic to a hospital. Organized by a devos group. Wheres the law and order now boys? You support law and order when your boy is at the helm. But when that liberal woman makes rules!!!! Let's block the streets! That'll show em!

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that 30 tousand in 3 months same as flu with flu shot out..last yr...and saw yesterday they expect 80 thousand will kill there self over the shut down ...lose of job..money..business ..so that mich gov is just making things worse..more like her and suicide will cause more death then the virus...but hey i know everything is trumps fault

[tiderulz]

I'm just kind of disgusted with my fellow countryman. How anyone could watch this dumpster fire and back Mr. Trump was beyond me. Then we got a literal "pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps retort". It's hard for me to stay in this thread because it makes me angry. Screw 911, y'all are fearmongering this virus that's killed 30k Americans in 3 months! So what if it didn't exist before! It's nothing like that thing that already exists!

Idiocracy is becoming reality.

And these **** morons in Michigan blocking traffic to a hospital. Organized by a devos group. Wheres the law and order now boys? You support law and order when your boy is at the helm. But when that liberal woman makes rules!!!! Let's block the streets! That'll show em!

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that 30 tousand in 3 months same as flu with flu shot out..last yr...and saw yesterday they expect 80 thousand will kill there self over the shut down ...lose of job..money..business ..so that mich gov is just making things worse..more like her and suicide will cause more death then the virus...but hey i know everything is trumps fault

this is not the same as the flu. much higher mortality rate and infection rate.

[drsd]

What are our thoughts on a Vegas-only league to close out the season and for the playoffs?

I'd be for it and there is a revenue stream for "some" in that.


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[JF5]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/04/14/stimulus-checks-may-be-delayed-because-trump-wants-his-name-printed-on-them-report-says/amp/

Btw, this decision...ahem order was finalized a couple of days ago. It's been several weeks since the bill was signed....people needed more weeks ago and needless delays for ego and marketing...

all depends on which article you believe. not saying either is right or wrong.

The Treasury Department assured the nation there are no delays to stimulus checks and that everything is on schedule.

https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-delayed-payment-irs-1498062

sorry but if him putting his name on check makes you all this upset...i have 1 word..pathetic

Joe you're not getting it... He's making decisions for the country through a narrow personal view of how he feels rather than objective fact based outliers. Like yesterday he defunded WHO for the reason the organization made him look bad.

Even if you add the supposed political jargon that "China has them in their pocket". You're stopping funding for a group that it's main purpose is to help in the fight of the virus NOW. Also in future instances try to help in fights for other potential severe illnesses that might surface around the world.

If he wants to defund the group do it AFTER this thing blows over. Then, put more focus on the programs that he previously defunded or start a new world health organization. But seeing how he doesn't have hindsight or the ability to think into the future it's unlikely he'll do either of those.

[orlando_joe]

I'm just kind of disgusted with my fellow countryman. How anyone could watch this dumpster fire and back Mr. Trump was beyond me. Then we got a literal "pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps retort". It's hard for me to stay in this thread because it makes me angry. Screw 911, y'all are fearmongering this virus that's killed 30k Americans in 3 months! So what if it didn't exist before! It's nothing like that thing that already exists!

Idiocracy is becoming reality.

And these **** morons in Michigan blocking traffic to a hospital. Organized by a devos group. Wheres the law and order now boys? You support law and order when your boy is at the helm. But when that liberal woman makes rules!!!! Let's block the streets! That'll show em!

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that 30 tousand in 3 months same as flu with flu shot out..last yr...and saw yesterday they expect 80 thousand will kill there self over the shut down ...lose of job..money..business ..so that mich gov is just making things worse..more like her and suicide will cause more death then the virus...but hey i know everything is trumps fault

this is not the same as the flu. much higher mortality rate and infection rate.

i agree 100%..not trying to say that at all

[orlando_joe]

all depends on which article you believe. not saying either is right or wrong.



https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-delayed-payment-irs-1498062

sorry but if him putting his name on check makes you all this upset...i have 1 word..pathetic

Joe you're not getting it... He's making decisions for the country through a narrow personal view of how he feels rather than objective fact based outliers. Like yesterday he defunded WHO for the reason the organization made him look bad.

Even if you add the supposed political jargon that "China has them in their pocket". You're stopping funding for a group that it's main purpose is to help in the fight of the virus NOW. Also in future instances try to help in fights for other potential severe illnesses that might surface around the world.

If he wants to defund the group do it AFTER this thing blows over. Then, put more focus on the programs that he previously defunded or start a new world health organization. But seeing how he doesn't have hindsight or the ability to think into the future it's unlikely he'll do either of those.

you see it as he did it because they made him look bad...its how trump rolls its called leverage its how he gets things done sometimes you have to do it ..i see it that they did not do job ,covering for china...the w.h.o. have a big hand in letting the spread of the virus killing thousands and maybe destroy global economy for yrs...but hey blame trump if it makes you feel better...they should have shut down travel world wide since jan 1st..they knew

[spinedoc]

sorry but if him putting his name on check makes you all this upset...i have 1 word..pathetic

Joe you're not getting it... He's making decisions for the country through a narrow personal view of how he feels rather than objective fact based outliers. Like yesterday he defunded WHO for the reason the organization made him look bad.

Even if you add the supposed political jargon that "China has them in their pocket". You're stopping funding for a group that it's main purpose is to help in the fight of the virus NOW. Also in future instances try to help in fights for other potential severe illnesses that might surface around the world.

If he wants to defund the group do it AFTER this thing blows over. Then, put more focus on the programs that he previously defunded or start a new world health organization. But seeing how he doesn't have hindsight or the ability to think into the future it's unlikely he'll do either of those.

you see it as he did it because they made him look bad...its how trump rolls its called leverage its how he gets things done sometimes you have to do it ..i see it that they did not do job ,covering for china...the w.h.o. have a big hand in letting the spread of the virus killing thousands and maybe destroy global economy for yrs...but hey blame trump if it makes you feel better...they should have shut down travel world wide since jan 1st..they knew

Do you really think that WHO has a better intelligence agency than the U.S.? We knew more than they did before all of this, but because Trump doesn't follow the advice of the "deep state", he wouldn't listen to anyone other than his own gut. This is not a job where intuition, or hope will get you by. His usual way of belittling or mocking others won't work, not with a virus. This is his first crisis in office, and the response needs to be fact based. Its why Trump is struggling so much to control the information, and why you are having so much difficulty in defending him. You can't change the facts of a virus, and because of that, it is winning right now. No nasty nickname is going to do the trick here. You mention silly things like the suicide rate to deflect the blame. Those of us who can see through that very easily know your level of willful ignorance. It lacks logic. When in fact, if Trump would have imposed restrictions just two weeks earlier, it would have brought the death rate closer to 6,000. That's the exponential element to an infectious disease. The hope is one day you will be fact based, and analyze the data like you would anything else. I believe I would be just as critical of a Democrat during this time of known facts. Watching people like you put themselves in a pretzel is what has been pathetic. You got the right word, but assigned it incorrectly. I'm still waiting for a clear and coherent argument in defense of Trump and his actions. I don't look down on all conservative or Republicans, many of them get what I'm talking about actually. Like, the Lincoln Project. Its the Trump follower that is too close to the matrix to see it for what it is. Here is their website. Have you ever seen a group of Democrats support a Republican like this in history? If we have an election in November, lol, it is going to be a bloodbath.
https://lincolnproject.us/

[tiderulz]

all depends on which article you believe. not saying either is right or wrong.



https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-delayed-payment-irs-1498062

sorry but if him putting his name on check makes you all this upset...i have 1 word..pathetic

Joe you're not getting it... He's making decisions for the country through a narrow personal view of how he feels rather than objective fact based outliers. Like yesterday he defunded WHO for the reason the organization made him look bad.

Even if you add the supposed political jargon that "China has them in their pocket". You're stopping funding for a group that it's main purpose is to help in the fight of the virus NOW. Also in future instances try to help in fights for other potential severe illnesses that might surface around the world.

If he wants to defund the group do it AFTER this thing blows over. Then, put more focus on the programs that he previously defunded or start a new world health organization. But seeing how he doesn't have hindsight or the ability to think into the future it's unlikely he'll do either of those.

this right here is Trump in a nutshell. he wants the applause and adoration

[orlando_joe]

Joe you're not getting it... He's making decisions for the country through a narrow personal view of how he feels rather than objective fact based outliers. Like yesterday he defunded WHO for the reason the organization made him look bad.

Even if you add the supposed political jargon that "China has them in their pocket". You're stopping funding for a group that it's main purpose is to help in the fight of the virus NOW. Also in future instances try to help in fights for other potential severe illnesses that might surface around the world.

If he wants to defund the group do it AFTER this thing blows over. Then, put more focus on the programs that he previously defunded or start a new world health organization. But seeing how he doesn't have hindsight or the ability to think into the future it's unlikely he'll do either of those.

you see it as he did it because they made him look bad...its how trump rolls its called leverage its how he gets things done sometimes you have to do it ..i see it that they did not do job ,covering for china...the w.h.o. have a big hand in letting the spread of the virus killing thousands and maybe destroy global economy for yrs...but hey blame trump if it makes you feel better...they should have shut down travel world wide since jan 1st..they knew

Do you really think that WHO has a better intelligence agency than the U.S.? We knew more than they did before all of this, but because Trump doesn't follow the advice of the "deep state", he wouldn't listen to anyone other than his own gut. This is not a job where intuition, or hope will get you by. His usual way of belittling or mocking others won't work, not with a virus. This is his first crisis in office, and the response needs to be fact based. Its why Trump is struggling so much to control the information, and why you are having so much difficulty in defending him. You can't change the facts of a virus, and because of that, it is winning right now. No nasty nickname is going to do the trick here. You mention silly things like the suicide rate to deflect the blame. Those of us who can see through that very easily know your level of willful ignorance. It lacks logic. When in fact, if Trump would have imposed restrictions just two weeks earlier, it would have brought the death rate closer to 6,000. That's the exponential element to an infectious disease. The hope is one day you will be fact based, and analyze the data like you would anything else. I believe I would be just as critical of a Democrat during this time of known facts. Watching people like you put themselves in a pretzel is what has been pathetic. You got the right word, but assigned it incorrectly. I'm still waiting for a clear and coherent argument in defense of Trump and his actions. I don't look down on all conservative or Republicans, many of them get what I'm talking about actually. Like, the Lincoln Project. Its the Trump follower that is too close to the matrix to see it for what it is. Here is their website. Have you ever seen a group of Democrats support a Republican like this in history? If we have an election in November, lol, it is going to be a bloodbath.
https://lincolnproject.us/

if he shut it down march 1st you and dems would have gone crazy...its easy to look back...did not see you or anyone calling for it...but if it makes you feel better and helps with your stress ..to blame him ...i guess i have to be ok with that

[tiderulz]

all depends on which article you believe. not saying either is right or wrong.



https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-delayed-payment-irs-1498062

sorry but if him putting his name on check makes you all this upset...i have 1 word..pathetic

Joe you're not getting it... He's making decisions for the country through a narrow personal view of how he feels rather than objective fact based outliers. Like yesterday he defunded WHO for the reason the organization made him look bad.

Even if you add the supposed political jargon that "China has them in their pocket". You're stopping funding for a group that it's main purpose is to help in the fight of the virus NOW. Also in future instances try to help in fights for other potential severe illnesses that might surface around the world.

If he wants to defund the group do it AFTER this thing blows over. Then, put more focus on the programs that he previously defunded or start a new world health organization. But seeing how he doesn't have hindsight or the ability to think into the future it's unlikely he'll do either of those.

and while this opinion may not be popular here, i'm not extremely mad with Trump's decision on WHO. I think we should eventually resume funding, but we also do not need to be paying the largest share by far. We have plenty of issues in our own country, we give so much money to the world, we need to shrink them up some and other countries need to step up. Also, WHO needs a shakeup, there has been controversy with the current leader for years. Every country and medical organization right now is working on Covid-19, so i would need to know what the real impact of this move is. our national debt in the trillions, we cannot continue to keep funding every program around the world for everyone.