2020 Draft Thread

[ReasonablySober]

I know his testing numbers didn't pop, but neither did A.J. Green's. Higgins put up some prolific scoring numbers in college. Can't really trivialize that too much.

[M-C-G]

I know his testing numbers didn't pop, but neither did A.J. Green's. Higgins put up some prolific scoring numbers in college. Can't really trivialize that too much.

For sure, but having a QB that will, I'd assume be the first pick in the draft helps a ton. So does playing with a boatload of NFL talent.

Again, I am not saying he won't have a fine career, just really like a number of other dudes much more. As always, whoever we draft, I will jump on board and be a fan.

[Finn]

The one receiver no body wants cause of his aweful combine testing testing is the guy the packers take while the guys who had great testing who are sitting there they pass watch typical packers

So you're a fan of the underwear Olympics rather than what the guy actually accomplished on the field. Solid.

Nah, I think you have to take production mixed with how they will athletically compare to their (nfl)peers and give it your best guess as to how it translates. Tee put some less than impressive numbers, and somehow a BS report circulated (cough Agent cough) that he ran 4.43. Then a few days later Clemson announced the official 4.54.

Vert would have been 3rd worst of the combine WR participants. Broad jump was in about the lower third of combine WR participants. Those are fair concerns about how his athletic ability will translate.

Trevor Insley put up 2060 yards receiving in 1999. He went undrafted and ended up playing in 11 games and having 14 catches.

It's a balance and Tee put up enough for cause concern.

Maybe it's a balance, but it better be heavily weighted towards the much larger sample size. Suppose the guy had tweaked hammy but didn't want to come across as injury prone? Who know why he performed poorly in testing. I care far more how he performed over the course of a couple of actual college seasons.

[ReasonablySober]

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This is good.

[Profound23]

Read today that Reagor dropped 50% of his targets.

Unreal

[MickeyDavis]

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[ReasonablySober]

Read today that Reagor dropped 50% of his targets.

Unreal

I think he didn't catch 50% of his targets. As in there were overthrows, uncatchable balls, etc.

[MickeyDavis]

McGinn has his first of 9 pre draft articles up. First one is WR and TE. Paid content, I'll just post a tiny bit

My polling of 17 executives in personnel took place in the last 2 ½ weeks. Each scout was asked to rank the wide receivers on a 1 to 6 basis, with a first-place vote worth 6 points, a second worth 5 and so on.

CeeDee Lamb, with 87 points and 10 first-place votes, nosed out Jerry Jeudy, who had 86 and five. Following, in order, were Henry Ruggs (66, one), Justin Jefferson (28 ½), Tee Higgins (25 ½, one), Bryan Edwards (13), Brandon Aiyuk (12), Laviska Shenault (11), Jalen Reagor (10), KJ Hamler (4 ½), Denzel Mims (four), Lynn Bowden (three), Quez Watkins (three), Van Jefferson (two), Gabriel Davis (one) and Michael Pittman (one-half).

Then the personnel men were asked who among the top 10 or 12 players had the best chance to bust. Shenault led the way with eight votes followed by Mims with four, Higgins with two and Hamler, Reagor and Ruggs, each one.

“It’d be foolish for a team to sit there (in the teens) and take a wideout,” one scout said. “You can get another wideout in the second or third, a Bryan Edwards, a Michael Pittman, a Lynn Bowden … it’s a real deep pool but it’s shallow at the top. There’s nobody that’s super elite, height-weight-speed freakish Julio, Calvin Johnson.”

An NFC personnel director summed up the talent pool at tight end thusly: “It’s the ****.”

[MickeyDavis]

On Reagor

The third-year junior posted the best broad jump (11-6) of the top 25 wideouts. “Holy ****, he’s exciting,” said one scout. “His speed and run after … we’re looking for explosive playmakers. His punt returns were like holy hell. … His skill set is outstanding.” Finished with 148 catches for 2,248 (15.2) and 22 TDs. “He’s faster and quicker than CeeDee or (Justin) Jefferson,” said a second scout. “He’s tough, he’ll catch in the middle and he takes the ball away from people. But, if the ball’s not coming to him, he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t block. He hardly gets off the line of scrimmage sometimes. He is a talented, talented kid, but his body language and attitude, from film only, is bad. Kind of a reluctant football player. When the ball’s coming to him he’s full-speed.” He posted 13 on the Wonderlic. “He may be the most explosive guy coming out of this draft,” said a third scout. “Quick and aggressive, plays fast, quick hands. Can he be a slot receiver, too? I think he can.” From Waxahachie, Texas. Added a fourth scout: “If I want a jet sweep guy I want Reagor. That (guy) is fast.”

[MickeyDavis]

Mims

Among his many achievements at the combine was a position-best 6.66 3-cone. “The 6.6 3-cone is crazy for a guy with that lever system,” said one scout. “He can really go up and make acrobatic plays on the ball. He showed at the Senior Bowl he can beat press coverage and get open at the top of routes. He’s better than Lamb and maybe better than Jeudy. He’s bigger, faster, longer. You’ve got a chance to really hit on Denzel Mims.” Mims was a three-year starter for a Baylor program that has never had a receiver make it big in the NFL. “He’s big, but I see a finesse guy who dropped too many balls in traffic,” a second scout said. “He’s got the height, weight, speed. I’ve seen too many guys with traits like that come in and fail out, and he doesn’t play special teams. I don’t see that kind of dog in him.” A three-year starter, he finished with 186 receptions for 2,925 (15.7) and 28 TDs. “He’s got vertical speed, he does have tracking skills and he understands how to use his size in the red zone,” said a third scout. “He’s an outside receiver. He’s going to need a lot of work on how to run routes. He has tight shoulders. Better high-ball catcher than low-ball catcher. More of a 400-meter guy. He’s got inconsistent hands. He’s going to need work on how to get off press. He’s just got average body control. I got him in the second round.” He’s from Daingerfield, Texas and posted a Wonderlic score of 17.

[tski1972]

I don’t know why, but every time I look through the WR group Bryan Edwards starts to stand out more and more.

[M-C-G]

Read today that Reagor dropped 50% of his targets.

Unreal

You may want to check your source. Pretty sure he led the nation in uncatchable targets due to poor QB play. When you watch his highlights this year you will see him with a ton of separation and **** throw resulting in an incomplete pass or some adjustment required that prevents YAC.

Not saying he doesn’t have drops but come on, 50%? That is bat **** crazy to believe.


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[Daver]

Well after reading bout reagor n mims ....would be sweeet to get them both ....but the part of the article and desription of mims that i liked is the part that he likes to block.
Every receiver needs some work would love to see what they said about adams pre draft and what he needed work on.
Again both guys sound like they would bring the packers something special i have always liked mims n am not changing now think hes perfect in the packer system JMO

[M-C-G]

Read today that Reagor dropped 50% of his targets.

Unreal

You may want to check your source. Pretty sure he led the nation in uncatchable targets due to poor QB play. When you watch his highlights this year you will see him with a ton of separation and **** throw resulting in an incomplete pass or some adjustment required that prevents YAC.

Not saying he doesn’t have drops but come on, 50%? That is bat **** crazy to believe.


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I think this is where you got your 50% drops thing. I think you misinterpreted what you read. Think about the magnitude of that stat means, 40% of his targets it was not possible to catch, what does that lead you to when you think of the next level which is not measure, catchable but bad throw, catchable but average throw, catchable but good throw. That really helps explain some of the drops.

While Reagor was not very productive in 2019, catching fewer than 50% of his targets and generating just over 600 yards (with less than 150 yards after the catch), he dealt with some pretty poor play at the quarterback position and saw an unreal amount of uncatchable targets. He did drop seven of his 88 targets, which is a bit concerning. He also avoided only five tackles on his catches in 2019, down from 11 in 2018.

[Treebeard]

PFF's rank within position - April 13
by Michael Renner
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings

WIDE RECEIVER
1. Jerry Jeudy, Alabama
2. CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma
3. Henry Ruggs III, Alabama
4. Laviska Shenault Jr., Colorado
5. Jalen Reagor, TCU
6. Michael Pittman Jr., USC
7. Tee Higgins, Clemson
8. Justin Jefferson, LSU
9. Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State
10. Denzel Mims, Baylor

LINEBACKER
1. Isaiah Simmons, Clemson
2. Patrick Queen, LSU
3. Willie Gay Jr., Mississippi State
4. Zack Baun, Wisconsin
5. Troy Dye, Oregon
6. Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma
7. Jordyn Brooks, Texas Tech
8. Akeem Davis-Gaither, App State
9. Malik Harrison, Ohio State
10. Logan Wilson, Wyoming

[M-C-G]

PFF's rank within position - April 13
by Michael Renner
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings

WIDE RECEIVER
1. Jerry Jeudy, Alabama
2. CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma
3. Henry Ruggs III, Alabama
4. Laviska Shenault Jr., Colorado
5. Jalen Reagor, TCU
6. Michael Pittman Jr., USC
7. Tee Higgins, Clemson
8. Justin Jefferson, LSU
9. Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State
10. Denzel Mims, Baylor

LINEBACKER
1. Isaiah Simmons, Clemson
2. Patrick Queen, LSU
3. Willie Gay Jr., Mississippi State
4. Zack Baun, Wisconsin
5. Troy Dye, Oregon
6. Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma
7. Jordyn Brooks, Texas Tech
8. Akeem Davis-Gaither, App State
9. Malik Harrison, Ohio State
10. Logan Wilson, Wyoming

Woof. Murray as the 6th LB? Man, I don't know.

For the WR, I think after top 3, 4-10 are all personal preference. A lot of those guys are probably the same tier, but pretty different skill sets.

[Treebeard]

PFF's rank within position - April 13
by Michael Renner
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings

WIDE RECEIVER
1. Jerry Jeudy, Alabama
2. CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma
3. Henry Ruggs III, Alabama
4. Laviska Shenault Jr., Colorado
5. Jalen Reagor, TCU
6. Michael Pittman Jr., USC
7. Tee Higgins, Clemson
8. Justin Jefferson, LSU
9. Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State
10. Denzel Mims, Baylor

LINEBACKER
1. Isaiah Simmons, Clemson
2. Patrick Queen, LSU
3. Willie Gay Jr., Mississippi State
4. Zack Baun, Wisconsin
5. Troy Dye, Oregon
6. Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma
7. Jordyn Brooks, Texas Tech
8. Akeem Davis-Gaither, App State
9. Malik Harrison, Ohio State
10. Logan Wilson, Wyoming

Woof. Murray as the 6th LB? Man, I don't know.

For the WR, I think after top 3, 4-10 are all personal preference. A lot of those guys are probably the same tier, but pretty different skill sets.

Yeah, some of the differences in ratings between different sources are puzzling. I'm not sure what to make of it all. I posted the PFF lists, as PFF is often held in higher regard than some.

The three things I thought unusual (compared to other lists)
* Murray (I always want to call him Marshall ) - lower rated on perception of weakness in coverage?
* Gay - short on data, in part because of suspensions
* Pittman - seems to be slowly climbing on a number of lists lately

*edit* BTW, just to pour some gasoline on the fire..... PFF has Jalen Hurts as their 4th ranked QB. (in reference to reported interest in Hurts by the Pack and Chargers)

[M-C-G]

Ok, for fun, I am going to start a list of mid round prospects that I like. Specifically targeting players that would be round 3 and later. Guys specifically I think would be good on the Packers, that are not top 100 of CBS composite big board

QB
James Morgan FIU (Green Bay native with all the tools to develop)

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Cole McDonald (would be a perfect fit for how MLF wants to run his offense)

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RB
Darrynton Evans (Gives me a very Aaron Jones vibe)

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AJ Dillon (SPARQ score guy which I think is big with Gute)

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WR
James Proche (slot guy with incredible ball skills)

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Lynn Bowden Jr (Randall Cobb/Antwan Randel El 2.0)

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Flex
Antonio Gibson (raw but incredible YAC)

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[ReasonablySober]

PFF's rank within position - April 13
by Michael Renner
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings

WIDE RECEIVER
1. Jerry Jeudy, Alabama
2. CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma
3. Henry Ruggs III, Alabama
4. Laviska Shenault Jr., Colorado
5. Jalen Reagor, TCU
6. Michael Pittman Jr., USC
7. Tee Higgins, Clemson
8. Justin Jefferson, LSU
9. Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State
10. Denzel Mims, Baylor

LINEBACKER
1. Isaiah Simmons, Clemson
2. Patrick Queen, LSU
3. Willie Gay Jr., Mississippi State
4. Zack Baun, Wisconsin
5. Troy Dye, Oregon
6. Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma
7. Jordyn Brooks, Texas Tech
8. Akeem Davis-Gaither, App State
9. Malik Harrison, Ohio State
10. Logan Wilson, Wyoming

Woof. Murray as the 6th LB? Man, I don't know.

For the WR, I think after top 3, 4-10 are all personal preference. A lot of those guys are probably the same tier, but pretty different skill sets.

Murray can't cover.

[M-C-G]

The three things I thought unusual (compared to other lists)
* Murray (I always want to call him Marshall ) - lower rated on perception of weakness in coverage?
* Gay - short on data, in part because of suspensions
* Pittman - seems to be slowly climbing on a number of lists lately

Gay just reminds me a little bit of Torrence Marshall. Not necessarily in the way he plays, although that might not be a bad comp as just really aggressive, straight line attackers that were incredible athletes. But more in the way you don't know what you are getting with their personalities on and off the field. Some of that Wayne Simmons crazy, maybe?

My buddy who does the scouting, really likes Pittman, thinks he is underrated and would be a perfect fit for the Packers. I think discussing it, we came to a Vincent Jackson comp.