Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[Fairview4Life]

From the timing of the outbreak to it's discriminating nature, I believe this is an intelligent Virus.

Looking at current World issues -

Climate change - Virus has shut down factories & emissions, skies are noticeably clearer & the Earth has reportedly stopped vibrating.

Pensions, Medicare & pop control - Virus demographic is the old, preconditioned & weak.

Trade war - economic downturn due to shut down was the only hope Biden had or it was 4 more years.

To my last point of belief. WHO tells Trump it would be racist to close the border to China, while they & China hide the fact that this was person to person transmitted with Media jumping on Trumps response & handling of it, which gives the appearance of a coordinated setup.

Finally - Politicians line their pockets & interest with the stimulus

Kings & pawns.

So wait, the virus has a mind and wants Joe Biden to win and to stop global warming? :lol:

The intelligence of the Virus is it's demographic, it doesn't kill everyone, mostly the old, preconditioned & weak. No where do I say the Virus wants Biden to win. Would love to know how you came to that conclusion.

What I do state is that China supports Biden & would like the trade war to come to an end as a potential reason for releasing it.

Trump's initial soft response to the virus was directly related to not screwing up the trade deal they were negotiating at the time. Trump was trying to end the "trade war" and that's why he praised China's response and handling of the outbreak at first. Other than just because he doesn't listen to briefings and didn't actually know what was going on and just took Xi's word for it or whatever.

And a virus killing older and weaker people more easily than the young and healthy isn't exactly breaking news. That's how the vast majority of viruses work. Young and healthy people are better able to fight them off.

[bwgood77]

Which is quite possible. Remember China isn't the only one doing it. Many countries are experimenting with it. Thing is these other countries have far more competent and secure labs. I don't think personally that China PURPOSELY did it. That would be one hell of a charge to decimate their own people. I think they were playing with dangerous **** without proper safety and patient zero walked out of that lab with it.

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Now you are just pulling out crap trying to "prove" your point.

And btw im since long time at the point where i dont care what "US officials" telling. They also told that the Iraq has WMDs. So they blew their credibility long time ago.

I start to maybe believe this China lab stuff when the sources comes from Switzerland, Norway...whatever country that has no political agenda here.

To the mods: i would like that the thread doesnt get killed with such agenda posts and the proves are twitter accounts with "multiple sauces with US officials". The last 1-2 pages are a trainwreck

I agree. People have been warned repeatedly to stop derailing these threads into that type of stuff and politics. Everyone, please get back on the topic intent for the GB Covid threads per the OP:

Only discussions allowed here are the ones that organically belong to the current state of emergency.

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[Whole Truth]

So wait, the virus has a mind and wants Joe Biden to win and to stop global warming?

The intelligence of the Virus is it's demographic, it doesn't kill everyone, mostly the old, preconditioned & weak. No where do I say the Virus wants Biden to win. Would love to know how you came to that conclusion.

What I do state is that China supports Biden & would like the trade war to come to an end as a potential reason for releasing it.

Lots of things kill the old, preconditioned, and weak, because you know, they're old, preconditioned, and weak. It'd be more of a headliner if perfectly health young adults were dying from this at a high rate.

Would love to hear your explanations of why China would want to ravage Italy.

To your first point, It's possible my belief is wrong & this Virus is natural but then I'd ask, why are we shutting down everything to protect the fact that lots of things kill what we are trying to protect, when the economic down turn will do far more damage to the healthy & poor?. Is it really that big of a stretch to believe their might be a potential alternative reason to killing the economy, especially when there's some reports of linking deaths to the Virus, which if true, is to manufacture additional fear.

Why would the Virus supposedly leak in Italy, I'd argue collateral damage as one potential reason. China barely cares for their own citizens. Why would the Virus leak in China, I could give a plethora of potential reasons. One being to play victim.

What I can better talk about is the affect in my Country. With full knowledge of the outbreak & every country turning back infected Cruise ships, our country who's pockets have been lined with Chinese dollars knowingly allowed them to dock. Some in our Country also didn't want Carnival to take place but it did. Now that it's here our Country has been completely shut down just shy of 3 week where a lot of small business owners are going out of business. It's possible another reason is that when these & my business potentially collapses, they can be bought up on the cheap, which China is doing now in England.

[mademan]

There are reports that the US government is seriously looking into the idea that it was created/modified in a lab in Wuhan. There are non-US reports that the lab in Wuhan was experimenting with COVID strains. There are reports going years back about how unsafe the lab was and the risk it presented. Within miles of this lab is the first hotbed of COVID-19.

I have no idea why this would be a banned topic of discussion. None of the above is conspiracy.

[Fairview4Life]

The intelligence of the Virus is it's demographic, it doesn't kill everyone, mostly the old, preconditioned & weak. No where do I say the Virus wants Biden to win. Would love to know how you came to that conclusion.

What I do state is that China supports Biden & would like the trade war to come to an end as a potential reason for releasing it.

Lots of things kill the old, preconditioned, and weak, because you know, they're old, preconditioned, and weak. It'd be more of a headliner if perfectly health young adults were dying from this at a high rate.

Would love to hear your explanations of why China would want to ravage Italy.

To your first point, It's possible my belief is wrong & this Virus is natural but then I'd ask, why are we shutting down everything to protect the fact that lots of things kill what we are trying to protect, when the economic down turn will do far more damage to the healthy & poor?. Is it really that big of a stretch to believe their might be a potential alternative reason to killing the economy, especially when there's some reports of linking deaths to the Virus, which if true, is to manufacture additional fear.

Why would the Virus supposedly leak in Italy, I'd argue collateral damage as one potential reason. China barely cares for their own citizens. Why would the Virus leak in China, I could give a plethora of potential reasons. One being to play victim.

What I can better talk about is the affect in my Country. With full knowledge of the outbreak & every country turning back infected Cruise ships, our country who's pockets have been lined with Chinese dollars knowingly allowed them to dock. Some in our Country also didn't want Carnival to take place but it did. Now that it's here our Country has been completely shut down just shy of 3 week where a lot of small business owners are going out of business. It's possible another reason is that when these & my business potentially collapses, they can be bought up on the cheap, which China is doing now in England.

Allowing an unchecked viral outbreak would destroy a nations economy. Pretending that locking things down = destroyed economy and not locking it down would leave a healthy economy, just with more sick and dead people, is nonsense.

Like, let's say movie theaters open up tomorrow. You gonna be there?

[Fairview4Life]

There are reports that the US government is seriously looking into the idea that it was created/modified in a lab in Wuhan. There are non-US reports that the lab in Wuhan was experimenting with COVID strains. There are reports going years back about how unsafe the lab was and the risk it presented. Within miles of this lab is the first hotbed of COVID-19.

I have no idea why this would be a banned topic of discussion. None of the above is conspiracy.

The CIA seriously looked into it months ago but presumed there would be some kind of alarm or notice or communication about it within the Chinese government, and couldn't find anything like that. Just a cover up of the severity.

[Whole Truth]

Lots of things kill the old, preconditioned, and weak, because you know, they're old, preconditioned, and weak. It'd be more of a headliner if perfectly health young adults were dying from this at a high rate.

Would love to hear your explanations of why China would want to ravage Italy.

To your first point, It's possible my belief is wrong & this Virus is natural but then I'd ask, why are we shutting down everything to protect the fact that lots of things kill what we are trying to protect, when the economic down turn will do far more damage to the healthy & poor?. Is it really that big of a stretch to believe their might be a potential alternative reason to killing the economy, especially when there's some reports of linking deaths to the Virus, which if true, is to manufacture additional fear.

Why would the Virus supposedly leak in Italy, I'd argue collateral damage as one potential reason. China barely cares for their own citizens. Why would the Virus leak in China, I could give a plethora of potential reasons. One being to play victim.

What I can better talk about is the affect in my Country. With full knowledge of the outbreak & every country turning back infected Cruise ships, our country who's pockets have been lined with Chinese dollars knowingly allowed them to dock. Some in our Country also didn't want Carnival to take place but it did. Now that it's here our Country has been completely shut down just shy of 3 week where a lot of small business owners are going out of business. It's possible another reason is that when these & my business potentially collapses, they can be bought up on the cheap, which China is doing now in England.

Allowing an unchecked viral outbreak would destroy a nations economy. Pretending that locking things down = destroyed economy and not locking it down would leave a healthy economy, just with more sick and dead people, is nonsense.

Like, let's say movie theaters open up tomorrow. You gonna be there?

I've already had the Virus, What I have left out, is that I'm nearly 50 & I have been battling cancer. Death is inevitable, fear for me is an absence of faith. If you're asking if I'd operate in public, I already am. I have 2 businesses, one shut down, one of necessity that's been running during the lockdown. I've probably come in contact with the Virus many times, renting the space next to me to a private doctor who comes outside to test people for the Virus as to not infect his office.

What I wouldn't do is expose the people most at risk.

[mademan]

There are reports that the US government is seriously looking into the idea that it was created/modified in a lab in Wuhan. There are non-US reports that the lab in Wuhan was experimenting with COVID strains. There are reports going years back about how unsafe the lab was and the risk it presented. Within miles of this lab is the first hotbed of COVID-19.

I have no idea why this would be a banned topic of discussion. None of the above is conspiracy.

The CIA seriously looked into it months ago but presumed there would be some kind of alarm or notice or communication about it within the Chinese government, and couldn't find anything like that. Just a cover up of the severity.

im not saying that it was created in a lab. Im saying its a genuine topic of discussion. Im not sure why it would be banned

[Fairview4Life]

I've already had the Virus, What I have left out, is that I'm nearly 50 & I have been battling cancer. Death is inevitable, fear for me is an absence of faith. If you're asking if I'd operate in public, I already am. I have 2 businesses, one shut down, one of necessity that's been running during the lockdown. I've probably come in contact with the Virus many times, renting the space next to me to a private doctor who comes outside to test people for the Virus as to not infect his office.

What I wouldn't do is expose the people most at risk.

What? A 50 year old battling cancer...is one of the people most at risk, quite frankly. But what's your plan? We currently have a lot of things locked down and still have like a bunch of grocery store clerks falling ill, including some dying. You seem to want that to be widespread? Open more businesses? There is no real way to do that without cheap, quick and wide spread testing and isolation of positive testing people. If you want to relax things, you need to be able to find out who's infected and lock them down. And then keep testing over and over and over again.

[Fairview4Life]

There are reports that the US government is seriously looking into the idea that it was created/modified in a lab in Wuhan. There are non-US reports that the lab in Wuhan was experimenting with COVID strains. There are reports going years back about how unsafe the lab was and the risk it presented. Within miles of this lab is the first hotbed of COVID-19.

I have no idea why this would be a banned topic of discussion. None of the above is conspiracy.

The CIA seriously looked into it months ago but presumed there would be some kind of alarm or notice or communication about it within the Chinese government, and couldn't find anything like that. Just a cover up of the severity.

im not saying that it was created in a lab. Im saying its a genuine topic of discussion. Im not sure why it would be banned

Because it's just rando twitter accounts speculating. There's no convincing reason to suspect it escaped from a lab. All you end up with is people egging each other on into tin foil ville. There's nothing in the virus itself that points to it, and there is supposedly no internal Chinese intercepts that would lead to that conclusion. And we've seen viruses like this evolve on their own frequently, including within the last decade. We have a dude here arguing the Chinese engineered it to get Joe Biden elected. If something comes out that points to it, great. But some loose change youtube **** ain't it.

[HotRocks34]

The CIA seriously looked into it months ago but presumed there would be some kind of alarm or notice or communication about it within the Chinese government, and couldn't find anything like that. Just a cover up of the severity.

im not saying that it was created in a lab. Im saying its a genuine topic of discussion. Im not sure why it would be banned

Because it's just rando twitter accounts speculating. There's no convincing reason to suspect it escaped from a lab. All you end up with is people egging each other on into tin foil ville. There's nothing in the virus itself that points to it, and there is supposedly no internal Chinese intercepts that would lead to that conclusion. And we've seen viruses like this evolve on their own frequently, including within the last decade. We have a dude here arguing the Chinese engineered it to get Joe Biden elected. If something comes out that points to it, great. But some loose change youtube **** ain't it.

1. I can't speak about anyone else's "Twitter rando" cited, but I can speak about the guy who I cited above. First, he's an award-winning journalist (or was). Second, he didn't seem to be speculating in the tweets I cited. He appeared to be passing along information from actual sources. And the only reason I used him, at all, was because he had the "government leaning towards conclusion that the virus came from a lab" story days before anyone else did. Meaning, he has real sources.

But, fair enough, we can wait until actual reports come out to talk about subjects without leaning on Twitter randos. And that report came out yesterday. If the report is true, and I haven't seen anyone saying it's false, then we're beyond the "conspiracy theory" stage of the lab leak thesis. No one has to agree with the government investigators' supposed thoughts (WMD's, etc), but if that's what they think then that is what they think, apparently based on looking at evidence. As in, they almost certainly have more evidence than we have, one would think. They should be in a better position to make a judgment call than us. Or to put it another way, they set the official narrative (or help to set it, along with a variety of investigators around the world).

In general, I am extremely focused on evidence-based information, like the NIH and Nature articles I cited above. I will only go to Twitter randos if they are respected sources of information on the topic.


2. This isn't directed at you, specifically, but just a logic play. If we are to believe that the CIA looked for clues regarding the lab thesis and came up empty some time ago, why would we believe that report (from government officials) but not the new report about government investigators supposedly feeling that the virus came from a lab? That is, how do we pick and choose which government sources we're going to believe? That's a slippery slope.

I respect where bwgood is coming from and will just move on from the lab issue, for now. I think more will come out, in time, so it can be picked up then. However, this is where the story is going now. Because of the report that came out yesterday. I would think that there will be a variety of perspectives (basically educated guesses) on what happened and how it happened. As the virus becomes managed in different nations, those nations will turn to trying to understand the origins of the pandemic.

If information were more forthcoming, we wouldn't have to guess. It's not an ideal position to be in.

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On a different aspect of the story, the new (confirmed) fatality toll in New York dropped to 606 today (this does not include probable or presumed fatalities). I believe that is the lowest number since April 5. Hopefully that is a good sign of things to come. Fingers crossed.

[Whole Truth]

I've already had the Virus, What I have left out, is that I'm nearly 50 & I have been battling cancer. Death is inevitable, fear for me is an absence of faith. If you're asking if I'd operate in public, I already am. I have 2 businesses, one shut down, one of necessity that's been running during the lockdown. I've probably come in contact with the Virus many times, renting the space next to me to a private doctor who comes outside to test people for the Virus as to not infect his office.

What I wouldn't do is expose the people most at risk.

What? A 50 year old battling cancer...is one of the people most at risk, quite frankly. But what's your plan? We currently have a lot of things locked down and till have like a bunch of grocery store clerks falling ill, including some dying. You seem to want that to be widespread? Open more businesses? There is no real way to do that without cheap, quick and wide spread testing and isolation of positives testing people. If you want to relax things, you need to be able to fin out who's infected and lock them down. And then keep testing over and over and over again.

Yes, I'm supposed to be a person of risk, my symptoms lasted 2 weeks with a point I thought it was either dormant or I was re-infected. The best part, is that going out & taking sun, upping my vitamin C intake I haven't felt better in a while.

What I was referring to was consideration based contact. Sanitization, was key in my recovery.

I like that you're erroring on the side of caution, I can respect that train of thought but from my encounters with this Virus I think the economic down turn will be far worse & deadly. I'm pretty sure my entire District has come in contact with it, that's 105,000 people roughly. Our Country has a population of 1.4m & we have only 114 reported cases during a near 3 week lockdown with 70 of them imported. It doesn't match the numbers I'm seeing abroad.

What we are doing is extending 2 weeks for every new case, I don't think America can afford to do that. Unless maybe it's possible to dissect areas & restrict travel from them to narrow down the containment area as to open back up specific areas that need to function?.

[Wagonband]

About it being made in a lab, this is from an expert that is one of the leading men in his field globally. I tend to trust him over twitter speculation, and since Joe also seems like an impartial and independent guy i'm gonna take this as the truth.

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[bwgood77]

There are reports that the US government is seriously looking into the idea that it was created/modified in a lab in Wuhan. There are non-US reports that the lab in Wuhan was experimenting with COVID strains. There are reports going years back about how unsafe the lab was and the risk it presented. Within miles of this lab is the first hotbed of COVID-19.

I have no idea why this would be a banned topic of discussion. None of the above is conspiracy.

The CIA seriously looked into it months ago but presumed there would be some kind of alarm or notice or communication about it within the Chinese government, and couldn't find anything like that. Just a cover up of the severity.

im not saying that it was created in a lab. Im saying its a genuine topic of discussion. Im not sure why it would be banned

This isn't the board for it and it's been clearly outlayed in the topic for weeks that this was about how it is impacting the NBA or people in their day to day lives, and how and why it started is irrelevant to that discussion. This thread isn't about who's fault it is, talking about theories on how it started, politics, etc. It is fine if people want to talk about that, but they should do so in this thread viewtopic.php?f=69&t=1957911

[HotRocks34]

For people concerned about the economy opening back up again in the USA, here's a promising sign -- Trump did a conference call today with members of the House, as well as members of the Senate (2 different calls), on that subject. The good news is that there was solid bipartisan representation on each call.

Nothing is getting solved, IMO, on the re-opening issue (or future stimulus packages) unless both parties work together. Here's a list of the participants:

https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-president-donald-j-trump-convenes-members-of-1842906852

[Doug_12]

While I don't deny the legitimacy of this virus, what's being done as a response to it is going to be an issue in regards to our freedoms and way of life, and I'm not sure that's acceptable in the long term. Not to mention how many people who are economically suffering over this. I don't think it's alright to give government this kind of power and control over the whole country for a long period of time. It's not a very good precedent to set either. What, are we going to shut down for a year every time something dangerous comes out from here on in? Not an appropriate response. Lives matter, but their needs to be a balance. And I kind of almost want to vomit at the disingenuous nature of these politicians that keep saying that every life is precious and **** like that. People die every day because they couldn't afford treatments, people don't have insurance, we have people on the streets, all kinds of stuff and they don't care about that. But now they care about people? Yeah, I don't trust that.

Politicians react to fear, and fear is real nowadays in any western country.

Though I think your point is valid I'd conclude the opposite thing you're saying…

I believe this disease should drive people more towards valuing the people more: the elderly, the poor and the infants' and their future. Their access to care, education etc... Because there are things which can only be solved as a society and not as individuals fighting for their own interest. Like this disease: A single person's protection is heavily dependent on what the other 99% of people are doing. Are they doing precautions or do they have access to protective equipment? Without their work would a wealthy person be allowed to stay at home? Would this person have access to care if there were no nurses? Moreover if there were no transportation of goods?

How those people is treated in a society affects how they relate to the society and consequently to other people.

[HotRocks34]

1. Someone asked when Trump was going to do guideline stuff on re-opening the USA. That's coming tonight at 6pm at the task force briefing (according to Trump tweet)

2. Ohio governor announces state will start to re-open from shutdown on May 1

Read on Twitter

[dennythedino]

1. Someone asked when Trump was going to do guideline stuff on re-opening the USA. That's coming tonight at 6pm at the task force briefing (according to Trump tweet)

2. Ohio governor announces state will start to re-open from shutdown on May 1

Read on Twitter

I'm in Western New York and our state has been shutdown since mid-March and it just been extended to May 15.

Based on what Governor Cuomo has been insinuating (since we are near or at the peak), I believe we will begin to "open" up again on May 15. And when I mean opening up, we'll probably start with a 25% "non-essential" workforce going into effect, and then 50% the following week, and so on.

[bwgood77]

1. Someone asked when Trump was going to do guideline stuff on re-opening the USA. That's coming tonight at 6pm at the task force briefing (according to Trump tweet)

2. Ohio governor announces state will start to re-open from shutdown on May 1

Read on Twitter

That's kind of strange considering their new cases doubled the last two days....averaging in the 300s for awhile and then over 600 the last two days. When your cases are growing with shelter in place, my educated guess is that they would grow faster without it.

[michaelm]

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