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[nymets1]

Wow I thought Summer starts in May until I checked google and it says Summer is from Saturday June 20th to Tuesday September 22nd. USA will be a much better position by June 20th or before that. I think things will be a lot better by May 1st but without large gatherings.

[Gomagic44]

At the very least he would display empathy. When a senator or congressman called him a liar at the SOTU, you could see how much it upset him. But he has self control and so didn't resort to name calling or bullying. He is also intelligent enough (based on his education not his gut) to better understand the severity of the situation than a businessman. Because he was such an outstanding orator, he would also elicit confidence in whatever plan of action he chose.

He would listen to the experts more, and he would have a more competant and able "squad" to tackle the problem and find the best solutions. He wouldn't have a kumbaya of CEOs from the biggest banks and corporations in America. He also wouldn't have downplayed it at first. He never would have said he takes no responsibility whatsoever for his own response and it's repercussions. He wouldn't claim ultimate authority. He wouldn't tweet about firing the smartest guy in the room. He wouldn't show a propoganda video at a pandemic press briefing. He wouldn't constantly Pat himself on the back for his "gut feelings". He wouldn't put his name on government checks.

You don't have to like all of Mr. Obama's policies or even like him to understand this. He is an much better put together man and leader than president Trump has shown himself to be.

yeah, from the German lab, they didnt offer the test but offered the testing protocols. but that statement of they were willing to give us a test, not quite correct.



and we did want to make our own, but because we have a long track record of doing that, even Fauci agreed.

Okay, but WHO is the point of contact for that. Countries weren't calling Germany for the test, it was offered by WHO. Protocols, the test itself, or the formula. However you want to describe it, it doesn't make too much of a difference to me. The CDC should have taken the test, performed their analysis, and replicated it themselves rather than start from scratch. South Korea and others knew the importance of timing, we should have too. I think we agree more than disagree though. I'm not happy with a lot of things, China, WHO, Trump, congress, private sector allowing a bidding war, etc. This whole thing was upside down. I personally would like to see the playbook that the Obama administration had in place. I'd like to know more about how much we knew, what was our intelligence agencies saying late last year. That's the other thing about criticism, its always there no matter what. But if you have information that they don't, then in the end you will be perceived to have done the right thing. If of course, the motives reflect the actions. I want accountability across the board, that includes outlets like Fox news who deliberately mislead as well. Most of that retribution has to come from us though. The system isn't able to deal with it, so we have to.

your fox and tds is funny..but like i said if it makes you feel better obama...wow...china flights would still be on...might have got that 2mill deaths ...then dems would have what they want ...total gov takeover..they would act and so would media like they saved us...and you would believe it

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[spinedoc]

I mean of course you don't say something racist, sexist, homo/transphobic, and the like. Is that really even a question we need to debate? But becoming violent because someone said some person neither of us know is lazy? That seems totally insane man.

It's not my fault that the two of you don't know that is a racial trope, okay? You asked what the difference was, I told you, and now you don't want to believe me or do the research. I don't know what else to tell you man.

What are you talking about? I just said no one should say racist stuff and you have gone on about fighting people in a bar. Yes, if you push a racist stereotype about certain races being lazy, just like some races have small dicks or some races have no souls etc. What does that have to do with getting ad hom insults about Trump or anyone else out of this thread?

I'll try this one more time. You got onto Tide about Trump being needy, and asked aloud what is the difference between that and what Joe said. Joe said this:

"dont tell me you dont think he would wake from a nap and do it if he would have thought of it...lol...him taking 2 questions every 6 months ..was classic ...he did not like work thats for sure..just bowing"

That is full of racial stereotype. Now, based on Joe's sincere reaction, I don't believe he is a racist, but he's obviously heard it from somewhere else. Somewhere along the line, you probably will find one. That goes back to the rhetoric being used by Trump supporters. Even if they aren't racist, they play in racist tropes, and are shocked and dismayed when you point it out to them. But, we all should do that. This is what politically correct is about. It means you shouldn't be able to say stuff like this in public without being called out on it once in awhile. Again, I'm not speaking to Joe's heart, but his comment put me off. I mean, of all the things to make fun of about Obama, how in the world do you get lazy and doesn't want to work? He wrote his own speeches and read every night before bed. You hear it a lot in the criticism of him. The bar stuff was me just trying to find a light hearted way to convey that to you, it obviously confused you more, my apologies. The two of what Joe and Tide said are definitely not the same. Was that clear enough? Trust me, or go look it up, there is a very long history of that stereotype. And yes, it may get you decked at the bar depending who is on the other end of that conversation. I should have just let Tide answer it instead, its my fault.

[Gomagic44]

It also doesn't seem to be a big reach to suspect racism when dealing with some of the republicans criticism of President Obama. Elected officials passed around pictures of Obama as an ape in emails. President Trump was the posterboy of the birther movement. When he accused Mr. Obama of being born in Kenya. For years.

Also not saying Joe or anyone here is party to the racism I pointed out above. Only that racial phrases and undertones have been used as recently as 4 years ago. Against a sitting president, not in a bar.

It's not my fault that the two of you don't know that is a racial trope, okay? You asked what the difference was, I told you, and now you don't want to believe me or do the research. I don't know what else to tell you man.

What are you talking about? I just said no one should say racist stuff and you have gone on about fighting people in a bar. Yes, if you push a racist stereotype about certain races being lazy, just like some races have small dicks or some races have no souls etc. What does that have to do with getting ad hom insults about Trump or anyone else out of this thread?

I'll try this one more time. You got onto Tide about Trump being needy, and asked aloud what is the difference between that and what Joe said. Joe said this:

"dont tell me you dont think he would wake from a nap and do it if he would have thought of it...lol...him taking 2 questions every 6 months ..was classic ...he did not like work thats for sure..just bowing"

That is full of racial stereotype. Now, based on Joe's sincere reaction, I don't believe he is a racist, but he's obviously heard it from somewhere else. Somewhere along the line, you probably will find one. That goes back to the rhetoric being used by Trump supporters. Even if they aren't racist, they play in racist tropes, and are shocked and dismayed when you point it out to them. But, we all should do that. This is what politically correct is about. It means you shouldn't be able to say stuff like this in public without being called out on it once in awhile. Again, I'm not speaking to Joe's heart, but his comment put me off. I mean, of all the things to make fun of about Obama, how in the world do you get lazy and doesn't want to work? He wrote his own speeches and read every night before bed. You hear it a lot in the criticism of him. The bar stuff was me just trying to find a light hearted way to convey that to you, it obviously confused you more, my apologies. The two of what Joe and Tide said are definitely not the same. Was that clear enough? Trust me, or go look it up, there is a very long history of that stereotype. And yes, it may get you decked at the bar depending who is on the other end of that conversation. I should have just let Tide answer it instead, its my fault.

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[Ducklett]

It's not my fault that the two of you don't know that is a racial trope, okay? You asked what the difference was, I told you, and now you don't want to believe me or do the research. I don't know what else to tell you man.

What are you talking about? I just said no one should say racist stuff and you have gone on about fighting people in a bar. Yes, if you push a racist stereotype about certain races being lazy, just like some races have small dicks or some races have no souls etc. What does that have to do with getting ad hom insults about Trump or anyone else out of this thread?

I'll try this one more time. You got onto Tide about Trump being needy, and asked aloud what is the difference between that and what Joe said. Joe said this:

"dont tell me you dont think he would wake from a nap and do it if he would have thought of it...lol...him taking 2 questions every 6 months ..was classic ...he did not like work thats for sure..just bowing"

That is full of racial stereotype. Now, based on Joe's sincere reaction, I don't believe he is a racist, but he's obviously heard it from somewhere else. Somewhere along the line, you probably will find one. That goes back to the rhetoric being used by Trump supporters. Even if they aren't racist, they play in racist tropes, and are shocked and dismayed when you point it out to them. But, we all should do that. This is what politically correct is about. It means you shouldn't be able to say stuff like this in public without being called out on it once in awhile. Again, I'm not speaking to Joe's heart, but his comment put me off. I mean, of all the things to make fun of about Obama, how in the world do you get lazy and doesn't want to work? He wrote his own speeches and read every night before bed. You hear it a lot in the criticism of him. The bar stuff was me just trying to find a light hearted way to convey that to you, it obviously confused you more, my apologies. The two of what Joe and Tide said are definitely not the same. Was that clear enough? Trust me, or go look it up, there is a very long history of that stereotype. And yes, it may get you decked at the bar depending who is on the other end of that conversation. I should have just let Tide answer it instead, its my fault.

So you are saying we should argue with insults as long as they aren't racist? I think insulting Trump by using mental health issues as insults is pretty gross too. My whole point was keep the stupid Obama insults out of here and keep the stupid Trump insults out of here. How could you possibly disagree with that?

[SOUL]

Trump just isn't an empathetic figure, and if you feel the need to defend him it's like feeling the need to defend bullies in school because a football player punched them in the face.

People vehemently disagreed with things Bush, Bush Sr., Obama, Clinton etc have done but they all seem to have been respected as human beings from people across the aisle. Trump has been about division and chaos from day 1.

[Ducklett]

Trump just isn't an empathetic figure, and if you feel the need to defend him it's like feeling the need to defend bullies in school because a football player punched them in the face.

People vehemently disagreed with things Bush, Bush Sr., Obama, Clinton etc have done but they all seem to have been respected as human beings from people across the aisle. Trump has been about division and chaos from day 1.

That is some pretty revisionist history. People hated W. You don't remember Post-Katrina the vitriol claiming him being racist, 2-digit IQ'd, and inbred, among other things, by major politicians and talking heads?

[SOUL]

Trump just isn't an empathetic figure, and if you feel the need to defend him it's like feeling the need to defend bullies in school because a football player punched them in the face.

People vehemently disagreed with things Bush, Bush Sr., Obama, Clinton etc have done but they all seem to have been respected as human beings from people across the aisle. Trump has been about division and chaos from day 1.

That is some pretty revisionist history. People hated W. You don't remember Post-Katrina the vitriol claiming him being racist, 2-digit IQ'd, and inbred, among other things, by major politicians and talking heads?

Still talking about Trump as a person, not as a result of inactions or perceived inactions from things like natural disasters, wars, scandals, etc. Could say the same about people calling Obama a terrorist/Muslim or Clinton's sexual scandal. Who was the last person not to get raked across the coals in some sort of way, Jimmy Carter? All of them had people saying unsavory things, but Trump is on another level which is why people like Romney, McCain, Bush, etc can't/couldn't stand him. He's combative, brash, uses coded words, attacks anybody with a pulse that disagrees with him or makes him look bad--veterans, PoWs, doctors, etc. If he was the president of a small country he would 100% try to make himself Supreme Leader and rule for 20+ years or something.

I don't know... if you can't see he's unfit to make decisions because of his emotional capacity then there's not much to debate, let alone what policies he endorses or not. I sure as hell couldn't endorse anybody like him no matter what party or ideals I supported. I don't like people like him. Never have, never will.

[spinedoc]

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So you are saying we should argue with insults as long as they aren't racist? I think insulting Trump by using mental health issues as insults is pretty gross too. My whole point was keep the stupid Obama insults out of here and keep the stupid Trump insults out of here. How could you possibly disagree with that?

Well, that would be a nice start, yes. Recognizing what is racist would be helpful too. Understanding this point may help you realize what Trump critics are talking about as well. When I say racism is institutional and pervasive, this is a small part of that too. Its in a lot of language that people don't realize that they are using. This should be a learning opportunity for you and others who are reading along. What you say, and how you say it matters. Maybe instead of talking so much, go read something first. Catch up to the conversation if you don't understand. How many replies now before you go read something on your own already? Why be willfully dense when you have a library at your fingertips. What, your father didn't talk to you about this? Do you have a brother or uncle that was fond of you? I take it you haven't had much schooling that covered this either? Its pretty obvious. I could give you a series of books to read to further you along, or a set of movies that would also be instructive. Quit cursing the darkness and go light a candle.

[spinedoc]

One more thing, this is a good microcosm of how Trump rose to power and why his support is unwavering. Not only are they unaware, they are unwilling to listen or be educated about it. This is the disconnect that you constantly run into, and the thing you can't get past when you want to further the conversation to policy or some other high minded topic about Trump and his presidency. In 2020, you still have this willful ignorance among people. Most people should be reading rather than talking, or at least be willing to give others the benefit of the doubt if they are uninformed. There is plenty I don't know and am willing to be educated on, why is that not universally accepted among all people? This has been my biggest frustration by far with regard to politics.

[Ducklett]

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So you are saying we should argue with insults as long as they aren't racist? I think insulting Trump by using mental health issues as insults is pretty gross too. My whole point was keep the stupid Obama insults out of here and keep the stupid Trump insults out of here. How could you possibly disagree with that?

Well, that would be a nice start, yes. Recognizing what is racist would be helpful too. Understanding this point may help you realize what Trump critics are talking about as well. When I say racism is institutional and pervasive, this is a small part of that too. Its in a lot of language that people don't realize that they are using. This should be a learning opportunity for you and others who are reading along. What you say, and how you say it matters. Maybe instead of talking so much, go read something first. Catch up to the conversation if you don't understand. How many replies now before you go read something on your own already? Why be willfully dense when you have a library at your fingertips. What, your father didn't talk to you about this? Do you have a brother or uncle that was fond of you? I take it you haven't had much schooling that covered this either? Its pretty obvious. I could give you a series of books to read to further you along, or a set of movies that would also be instructive. Quit cursing the darkness and go light a candle.

So you moved on from Ad hom attacks on Trump to Ad hom attacks on me... cool man. Great way to argue. Truly.

Let me type this out in another way: This thread should be a discussion on policy/the virus and not a place to throw insults at people, including Trump, EVEN IF YOU DONT LIKE HIM. I don't like him, I didn't vote for him 4 years ago, I won't vote for him this year. Throwing insults however doesn't help anything. Discussing his mental health doesn't help anything. Why in the world would someone want to come into this thread with a different perspective to you guys circle jerking about ORANGE MAN BAD instead of discussing the virus or the policies around said virus?

Whatever guys. Seriously, enjoy the thread. Thanks for killing what meaningful discussion that was going on with unending bias and silly hatred. You guys really make the "OMG these guys all have TDS" guys look tame by comparison and that is quite the feat because it is one of the most obnoxious memes on the internet.

[spinedoc]

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So you are saying we should argue with insults as long as they aren't racist? I think insulting Trump by using mental health issues as insults is pretty gross too. My whole point was keep the stupid Obama insults out of here and keep the stupid Trump insults out of here. How could you possibly disagree with that?

Well, that would be a nice start, yes. Recognizing what is racist would be helpful too. Understanding this point may help you realize what Trump critics are talking about as well. When I say racism is institutional and pervasive, this is a small part of that too. Its in a lot of language that people don't realize that they are using. This should be a learning opportunity for you and others who are reading along. What you say, and how you say it matters. Maybe instead of talking so much, go read something first. Catch up to the conversation if you don't understand. How many replies now before you go read something on your own already? Why be willfully dense when you have a library at your fingertips. What, your father didn't talk to you about this? Do you have a brother or uncle that was fond of you? I take it you haven't had much schooling that covered this either? Its pretty obvious. I could give you a series of books to read to further you along, or a set of movies that would also be instructive. Quit cursing the darkness and go light a candle.

So you moved on from Ad hom attacks on Trump to Ad hom attacks on me... cool man. Great way to argue. Truly.

Let me type this out in another way: This thread should be a discussion on policy/the virus and not a place to throw insults at people, including Trump, EVEN IF YOU DONT LIKE HIM. I don't like him, I didn't vote for him 4 years ago, I won't vote for him this year. Throwing insults however doesn't help anything. Discussing his mental health doesn't help anything. Why in the world would someone want to come into this thread with a different perspective to you guys circle jerking about ORANGE MAN BAD instead of discussing the virus or the policies around said virus?

Whatever guys. Seriously, enjoy the thread. Thanks for killing what meaningful discussion that was going on with unending bias and silly hatred. You guys really make the "OMG these guys all have TDS" guys look tame by comparison and that is quite the feat because it is one of the most obnoxious memes on the internet.

Did I do this, or did you do it to yourself?

[fklt]

trump is not an aberration. he is the logical conclusion of the republican party's progression in the last 4-5 decades and american politics as a whole.

ever since the southern strategy became a thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy), exploitation and provocation of the fears within the susceptible population became the official approach of the republican party. rest is just a natural progression. as the demographic and sociological changes within the country made their path to victory harder, they just became more and more brazen throughout the years with more and more voter suppression and base agitation.

american politics is also unique in the world with their full embrace of the marketing side and rating driven aspect of politics. elections that are 2-year phenomenons, with huge events and even weekly elimination of contestants. it was just a matter of time when an actual reality-shot host, with the only claim to fame of knowing how to pull ratings and how to sell his name without actually doing anything would show up, and teach all other second-rate consultant dependant ones how to play the game. bully them as a proper host-judge would with rating friendly zingers. cut off all the fluff, and directly say all the hateful **** that the other ones are still using dog whistles of. he has the image of being honest despite being one of the most pathological liars among his peers because he finally abandoned the surface civility that was holding all his rivals back. and after that initial beatdown, trump has gained the full support of the republican party and their donor class. he couldn't have become successful despite them, he is not that bright, he is successful thanks to them. even democrats and some of the media were not that unhappy about him initially, as they confessed on occasion that he helps with their fundraising numbers and ratings. and once he is gone, new ones are gonna imitate his success-formula quite religiously and perhaps more effectively. note sure if he will be made a saint after all that as bush had been though.

[Furinkazan]

Love How many of you exposed yourselves.Now I know who im dealing with and It all is clear now.

[spinedoc]

trump is not an aberration. he is the logical conclusion of the republican party's progression in the last 4-5 decades and american politics as a whole.

ever since the southern strategy became a thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy), exploitation and provocation of the fears within the susceptible population became the official approach of the republican party. rest is just a natural progression. as the demographic and sociological changes within the country made their path to victory harder, they just became more and more brazen throughout the years with more and more voter suppression and base agitation.

american politics is also unique in the world with their full embrace of the marketing side and rating driven aspect of politics. elections that are 2-year phenomenons, with huge events and even weekly elimination of contestants. it was just a matter of time when an actual reality-shot host, with the only claim to fame of knowing how to pull ratings and how to sell his name without actually doing anything would show up, and teach all other second-rate consultant dependant ones how to play the game. bully them as a proper host-judge would with rating friendly zingers. cut off all the fluff, and directly say all the hateful **** that the other ones are still using dog whistles of. he has the image of being honest despite being one of the most pathological liars among his peers because he finally abandoned the surface civility that was holding all his rivals back. and after that initial beatdown, trump has gained the full support of the republican party and their donor class. he couldn't have become successful despite them, he is not that bright, he is successful thanks to them. even democrats and some of the media were not that unhappy about him initially, as they confessed on occasion that he helps with their fundraising numbers and ratings. and once he is gone, new ones are gonna imitate his success-formula quite religiously and perhaps more effectively. note sure if he will be made a saint after all that as bush had been though.

Well said. I just finished reading that, everyone should know that information. It should clear up a lot of things for people. Also, I love how Republicans take so much credit for Lincoln, when it was such a different time. Today's Republican party mirrors more that of the southern dixiecrats of the time. People don't realize how it switched like that. And, most of the statues that I was referring to with my discussion with Ben, were constructed in the 50's and 60's during that switch. Not all, but most. Interesting read, thank you.

[Xatticus]

What are you talking about? I just said no one should say racist stuff and you have gone on about fighting people in a bar. Yes, if you push a racist stereotype about certain races being lazy, just like some races have small dicks or some races have no souls etc. What does that have to do with getting ad hom insults about Trump or anyone else out of this thread?

I'll try this one more time. You got onto Tide about Trump being needy, and asked aloud what is the difference between that and what Joe said. Joe said this:

"dont tell me you dont think he would wake from a nap and do it if he would have thought of it...lol...him taking 2 questions every 6 months ..was classic ...he did not like work thats for sure..just bowing"

That is full of racial stereotype. Now, based on Joe's sincere reaction, I don't believe he is a racist, but he's obviously heard it from somewhere else. Somewhere along the line, you probably will find one. That goes back to the rhetoric being used by Trump supporters. Even if they aren't racist, they play in racist tropes, and are shocked and dismayed when you point it out to them. But, we all should do that. This is what politically correct is about. It means you shouldn't be able to say stuff like this in public without being called out on it once in awhile. Again, I'm not speaking to Joe's heart, but his comment put me off. I mean, of all the things to make fun of about Obama, how in the world do you get lazy and doesn't want to work? He wrote his own speeches and read every night before bed. You hear it a lot in the criticism of him. The bar stuff was me just trying to find a light hearted way to convey that to you, it obviously confused you more, my apologies. The two of what Joe and Tide said are definitely not the same. Was that clear enough? Trust me, or go look it up, there is a very long history of that stereotype. And yes, it may get you decked at the bar depending who is on the other end of that conversation. I should have just let Tide answer it instead, its my fault.

So you are saying we should argue with insults as long as they aren't racist? I think insulting Trump by using mental health issues as insults is pretty gross too. My whole point was keep the stupid Obama insults out of here and keep the stupid Trump insults out of here. How could you possibly disagree with that?

I fail to see why having a discussion about the mental health of a politician is necessarily an ad hominem attack against said politician. Is it ad hominem to question if either Trump or Biden are fit for office? Such discussions are a necessity for any country that aspires to achieve democracy.

As to the ad hominem, every president in my lifetime has been subjected to personal attacks. It’s not mystifying as to why this has been ramped up in recent years. Trump has been a lightning rod for such attacks because ad hominem has been the primary weapon in his own political arsenal and anyone that doesn’t respond in kind is labeled as weak. It’s highly unfortunate that our politics have devolved to such a condition, but here we are. We didn’t elect a candidate with an established record of successes or achievements of administration. We elected the candidate that slung insults most aggressively. It’s really late in the game to get self-righteous about ad hominem.

[thelead]

Love How many of you exposed yourselves.Now I know who im dealing with and It all is clear now.

Not sure political leanings and opinions mean much when discussing if we need Vuc or not


..... although..... it would make for an interesting poll

[tiderulz]

getting away from political stuff, this is a drug i mentioned i read about a few weeks ago when all this virus stuff was starting. Still early, but early returns are trending good.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/remdesivir-covid-19-patients-recovering-quickly-after-getting-experimental-drug/ar-BB12KGlu?li=BBnb7Kz

[RookieStar]

Just wanna put this here.. to us non-American Magic fans, this thread sure is/was entertaining and informative about USA politics. I just thought that maybe this has more corona/chinese/covid/bat/wuhan-virus info and how it is influencing Magic fan's lives and responses to it.

But hey, I'm glad to know what Trump/Hillary/Obama/Biden/etc did or is doing as well.

Seriously guys, I thought all these politics were to be put in the CA board. I'd rather read conspiracy theories about this virus rather than rep are low-income Alabama-style humping rednecks and dems are snowflake changing their 76-genders while drinking overpriced starbucks. I get that Trump will always be included in whatever responses to this virus is, but can we tone it down a little? I wanted to see updates on Driguez and gomagic and whoever else might have.

[BadMofoPimp]

Just wanna put this here.. to us non-American Magic fans, this thread sure is/was entertaining and informative about USA politics. I just thought that maybe this has more corona/chinese/covid/bat/wuhan-virus info and how it is influencing Magic fan's lives and responses to it.

But hey, I'm glad to know what Trump/Hillary/Obama/Biden/etc did or is doing as well.

Seriously guys, I thought all these politics were to be put in the CA board. I'd rather read conspiracy theories about this virus rather than rep are low-income Alabama-style humping rednecks and dems are snowflake changing their 76-genders while drinking overpriced starbucks. I get that Trump will always be included in whatever responses to this virus is, but can we tone it down a little? I wanted to see updates on Driguez and gomagic and whoever else might have.

Any chance people can promote their personal narrative, they throw it out there incessantly. I am sure if the cards would flip and the opposite person was in office and did the exact same things, those people would be definding that person That is just the hypocrisy of picking sides and defending them as loudly as possible.