Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[lakerz12]

Again, take a look at the numbers I posted before. Sweden is still in an extended peak. You are free to keep ignoring the numbers if you want but that won't make the numbers any different.



Judging by the amount of countries and politicians that are ignoring epidemiological advice (Sweden, Brazil, states in the US that are re-opening earlier than they should), nope.



And I am a Greek anarchist. What point are you trying to make here? A pandemic shouldn't be about political affiliation, it should be about scientific data.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Peaked April 6-9th. And I will bet your house they don't eclipse that total.

Did you even look at the graph you posted?

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Peak refers to the peak level/number of daily new cases or daily deaths.

Not to the total. Because of course the total will continue to rise with even 1 new case or 1 new death per day...

[TMU]

Wake the hell up people! We need to be quarantining our elderly and immune deficient. Nobody else.

Completely irresponsible and putting the burden entirely on the sick and elderly.

[JulesWinnfield]

I work in midtown manhattan 6 days a week (still to this moment as my job is essential) and over the past week or so the number of people out and about is growing exponentially. Compared to a few weeks ago its insane. Youd hardly know we were in the midst of an epidemic if not for the masks. The weather turning for the better and people getting antsy being indoors is leading to way more people out there. Theyre mostly all wearing masks and for the most part social distancing, but this is definitely going to lead to more cases. People arent doing nearly as good a job of late at staying in as they once were. This is only going to prolong this.

[Triples333]

Wake the hell up people! We need to be quarantining our elderly and immune deficient. Nobody else.

Completely irresponsible and putting the burden entirely on the sick and elderly.

You are saying that it is irresponsible to quarantine and financially protect those that it has shown to harm, while the rest of get to work?... "putting the burden on them"? What the **** are you saying? I am advocating to take care of them until we have appropriate measures in place.

What do people like you think the end game is here?

[bidde]

Wake the hell up people! We need to be quarantining our elderly and immune deficient. Nobody else.

Completely irresponsible and putting the burden entirely on the sick and elderly.

You are saying that it is irresponsible to quarantine and financially protect those that it has shown to harm, while the rest of get to work?... "putting the burden on them"? What the **** are you saying? I am advocating to take care of them.

What do people like you think the end game is here?

How are you going to quarantine those people?

[Triples333]

Completely irresponsible and putting the burden entirely on the sick and elderly.

You are saying that it is irresponsible to quarantine and financially protect those that it has shown to harm, while the rest of get to work?... "putting the burden on them"? What the **** are you saying? I am advocating to take care of them.

What do people like you think the end game is here?

How are you going to quarantine those people?

You provide them with provisions so that they do not need to work until there is a vaccine. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than stimulus checks to the entire nation.

If they decide to be in public regardless, that is at their own risk. This is not complicated.

[United_Hawks]

I work in midtown manhattan 6 days a week (still to this moment as my job is essential) and over the past week or so the number of people out and about is growing exponentially. Compared to a few weeks ago its insane. Youd hardly know we were in the midst of an epidemic if not for the masks. The weather turning for the better and people getting antsy being indoors is leading to way more people out there. Theyre mostly all wearing masks and for the most part social distancing, but this is definitely going to lead to more cases. People arent doing nearly as good a job of late at staying in as they once were. This is only going to prolong this.

I'm in Atlanta and have noticed this as well. Though nowhere near the impact NY has had, it's frustrating to see the number of cars on the road dramatically increase day over day this past week. I can see a main road from my apartment balcony and it's like this past week people have increasingly just given up the stay at home thing.

[bidde]

You are saying that it is irresponsible to quarantine and financially protect those that it has shown to harm, while the rest of get to work?... "putting the burden on them"? What the **** are you saying? I am advocating to take care of them.

What do people like you think the end game is here?

How are you going to quarantine those people?

You provide them with provisions so that they do not need to work until there is a vaccine. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than stimulus checks to the entire nation.

If they decide to be in public regardless, that is at their own risk. This is not complicated.

No, but how do you do it? Say there is a a family with 2 kids, the wife has a immunodeficiency, the husband is completely healthy. You want the husband to go back to normal and the wife to be quarantined. What do you do?

[HotRocks34]

I work in midtown manhattan 6 days a week (still to this moment as my job is essential) and over the past week or so the number of people out and about is growing exponentially. Compared to a few weeks ago its insane. Youd hardly know we were in the midst of an epidemic if not for the masks. The weather turning for the better and people getting antsy being indoors is leading to way more people out there. Theyre mostly all wearing masks and for the most part social distancing, but this is definitely going to lead to more cases. People arent doing nearly as good a job of late at staying in as they once were. This is only going to prolong this.

Central PA here. Exact same thing.

People are getting stir crazy. It's obvious.

Where I'm at is rural. Good amount of open space. So, social distancing is easier. But it's clear that people are starting to want to go outside, I agree.

And as you said, big change from a few weeks ago. A few weeks ago, I saw panic. Now I see people who are dying to get out of their homes.

[bwgood77]

Sweden kept its movie theatres open! But not really.

Peter Fornstam, the CEO of Svenska Bio, said the group has kept theaters open in Sweden but with super low attendance and a cap of 50 admissions per auditorium. “We are open out of respect to society, our staff and films that were in release when the (outbreak of) Covid-19 started.” In Denmark and Finland, meanwhile, all theaters were forced to close due to a government order.

Fornstam said that although his cinemas are open in Sweden there were only “very few films from small distributors (which) serves only Stockholm.” The exhibitor said the lack of movies will lead them to close theaters across Sweden by mid-April but he intends on keeping those in Stockholm open.

Like I asked earlier, what are they winning economically? Are there even any numbers we can look at?

Too bad drive in movies are not still a thing...those could probably have remained open.

[Triples333]

How are you going to quarantine those people?

You provide them with provisions so that they do not need to work until there is a vaccine. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than stimulus checks to the entire nation.

If they decide to be in public regardless, that is at their own risk. This is not complicated.

No, but how do you do it? Say there is a a family with 2 kids, the wife has a immunodeficiency, the husband is completely healthy. You want the husband to go back to normal and the wife to be quarantined. What do you do?

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

[bidde]

You provide them with provisions so that they do not need to work until there is a vaccine. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than stimulus checks to the entire nation.

If they decide to be in public regardless, that is at their own risk. This is not complicated.

No, but how do you do it? Say there is a a family with 2 kids, the wife has a immunodeficiency, the husband is completely healthy. You want the husband to go back to normal and the wife to be quarantined. What do you do?

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

Oh so you are assuming this family has a spare room, ok. What about a bathroom? A kitchen? Think rationally here.

[Triples333]

No, but how do you do it? Say there is a a family with 2 kids, the wife has a immunodeficiency, the husband is completely healthy. You want the husband to go back to normal and the wife to be quarantined. What do you do?

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

Oh so you are assuming this family has a spare room, ok. What about a bathroom? A kitchen? Think rationally here.

Buddy, I hate to break it to you, but this is going to be terrible for some people. Some people will die. That is reality. That has always been reality.

Once again, I ask you, what is your approach here? Everybody stay locked up in their homes indefinitely (while everyone still goes to the market and half the people are outside everyday regardless?). Let's say there is still no vaccine in 14 months. What's your game plan man?

[NBAFan93]

You provide them with provisions so that they do not need to work until there is a vaccine. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than stimulus checks to the entire nation.

If they decide to be in public regardless, that is at their own risk. This is not complicated.

No, but how do you do it? Say there is a a family with 2 kids, the wife has a immunodeficiency, the husband is completely healthy. You want the husband to go back to normal and the wife to be quarantined. What do you do?

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

Or that entire family quarantines. Still a lot better than every single family in the country having to do it when they don’t have a person like that in their household.

[Triples333]

No, but how do you do it? Say there is a a family with 2 kids, the wife has a immunodeficiency, the husband is completely healthy. You want the husband to go back to normal and the wife to be quarantined. What do you do?

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

Or that entire family quarantines. Still a lot better than every single family in the country having to do it when they don’t have a person like that in their household.

Undeniably correct.

[bidde]

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

Oh so you are assuming this family has a spare room, ok. What about a bathroom? A kitchen? Think rationally here.

Buddy, I hate to break it to you, but this is going to be terrible for some people. Some people will die. That is reality. That has always been reality.

Once again, I ask you, what is your approach here? Everybody stay locked up in their homes indefinitely (while everyone still goes to the market and half the people are outside everyday regardless?). Let's say there is still no vaccine in 14 months. What's your game plan man?

Clearly, I have no freaking idea. I thought the fact that I am looking for answers on a basketball forum would make that obvious. I was thinking you had a plan there, but you obviously don't. Too bad.

[bidde]

No, but how do you do it? Say there is a a family with 2 kids, the wife has a immunodeficiency, the husband is completely healthy. You want the husband to go back to normal and the wife to be quarantined. What do you do?

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

Or that entire family quarantines. Still a lot better than every single family in the country having to do it when they don’t have a person like that in their household.

Oh cool, you might have a plan. So we are now saying quarantine the entire family. How many people do you think we would need to quarantine this way?

[Triples333]

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

Or that entire family quarantines. Still a lot better than every single family in the country having to do it when they don’t have a person like that in their household.

Oh cool, you might have a plan. So we are now saying quarantine the entire family. How many people do you think we would need to quarantine this way?

Around 95% less than are currently being quarantined.

Bear in mind that a massive chunk of the population that this effects to the greatest degree are retired and/or on social security. The provisions are in place to help them, and more would be taken.

[peja_the_legend]

Reading reports about covid causing serious damage in lungs even in cases of people with mild symptoms who didnt have to hospitalise.

Really makes you worried about NBA players and other professional athletes who had it.

[NBAFan93]

If it is a concern that they think she could be part of the 1% who could actually die from this virus, then she needs to quarantine as she sees fit (her own room with limited/protected contact). What is the alternative? Nobody ever leaves the house until there is a vaccine? Think rationally here.

Or that entire family quarantines. Still a lot better than every single family in the country having to do it when they don’t have a person like that in their household.

Oh cool, you might have a plan. So we are now saying quarantine the entire family. How many people do you think we would need to quarantine this way?

I’m not sure about statistics on that, but those families know who they are already. They deal w/ this situation every time an illness (doesn’t need to be the flu) is out in the wild. The elderly and those who take care of them know it too.