OT- The Last Dance documentary

[dice]

It's hilarious that Krause already picked Tim Floyd from Iowa State to be his next head coach before the season had even started and the exact same thing happened years later with Gar/Hoiberg.

krause and gar both...less than physically appealing w/ personality issues too

[Jcool0]

So Bulls probably win 7 titles if Jerry Krause wasn't the GM....

Or, more likely, a lot less than 6.

Or, more likely, 7.

[dice]

First two episodes exceeded my extremely high expectations. Couldn't believe how fast those two hours flew by.

For real....made me feel like 10 hours won't be enough time.

Even though this is the Bulls title run and other players, coaches, FO, are touched on....through 2 episodes it is clear this is Michael's story. Not complaining...

some people were wondering whether this warranted 10 hours. i strongly suspected that it would leave most of us wanting more

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Rewatching it already!!!

[dice]

To me, BG's ouster was just a sign that Garpax had 0 eyes for identifying a winning piece to a championship team.

ben gordon did not come close to earning his big contract, so...

the bulls chose deng over gordon. and they chose very wisely

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Thoughts

-Michael Jordan...gasp...using the 'f' word!

-See a lot of the tension between management and the players who just want to do nothing more than play; it's kind of an irony because players nowadays tend to be blamed for 'being in it for the money'

-Episode 2 with Scottie Pippen: As a 13-year old 8th grader, living in LA, without really following the team on the internet yet, I didn't really get how close Scottie was to leaving. I do remember all that initial losing though, but I didn't think too much of it.

-Realized I have never ever seen any Scottie Pippen documentary or anything close to that; the footage of him from Central Arkansas, all new stuff for me. Always took for granted how important he was, and the Jerrys took full advantage of his situation. I guess the start of that season showed just how critical he was. LOL, not like we don't know what happened, but it'll be interesting to see how Pip internally resolved this and edged his way out of saying that he was not going to play for the Bulls again. I don't remember.

-Ben Gordon was a talent, and he had a handful of parallel key games that MJ had. Not saying that he was anywhere close, but that he was a very faint whisper of what MJ brought. That key Pacers game in 1986 en route to the playoffs is reminiscent of a key Pacers game in 2005 en route to the playoffs in which BG rallied the team down by 20. Game 2 against the Celtics in 1986 was the Game 2 against the Celtics in 2009. To me, BG's ouster was just a sign that Garpax had 0 eyes for identifying a winning piece to a championship team.

BG7 didn’t do much after leaving Chicago. I think it was the right call for whatever the reason for his demise.

[kulaz3000]

I was contemplating waiting until they released the entire series before I started to binge watch it like I do with most series, but I just don't think I can, not with this series.

Can't wait to get started on the first 2 episodes!

[Chewie]

Rewatching it already!!!

Lord help me....right there with you.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

So Bulls probably win 7 titles if Jerry Krause wasn't the GM....

Or, more likely, a lot less than 6.

Or, more likely, 7.

Shooooo....we can argue about that till sports arenas and large gatherings open up again.

It'll be a never-ending loop and won't ever be re-solved unless we can ever see into a parallel universe or something.

But the thing this documentary shows is how fraught relationships are, and how everything is contested on a daily basis.

I'd say that the 'opportunity' for a 7th championship would've been there if Krause maybe not make this declaration against Phil's return.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Rewatching it already!!!

Lord help me....right there with you.

I wonder how many times I’ll watch it.

[johnnyvann840]

The entire bit about Stan Albeck only being able to play Michael 7 minutes per half or he would be fired on the spot in the 85-86 season when he broke his foot and came back, was a bunch of BS. Michael played more than 14 minutes per game in almost all of those games except maybe two or three of them. In the Indy game when Pax hit the game-winning shot Michael played almost 30 minutes. So that part was embellished a little.

Oh, and I'm trying to picture Krause coming down and grabbing Stan Albeck by his tie and choking him.

[Payt10]

The irony watching Paxson talk about the toxic relationship between the front office and head coach while witnessing it first hand, and then flash forward about a decade later to see him doing the same things as the GM.

[Jimako10]

"The Bulls were being out drawn by an indoor soccer league team before MJ arrived."



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[johnnyvann840]

"The Bulls were being out drawn by an indoor soccer league team before MJ arrived."



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Yeah they averaged like 6700 people per game that year before Jordan was drafted. I remember going to Bulls games buying tickets in the second balcony and coming down to courtside and taking almost any seat you wanted.

[nomorezorro]

bulls got gifted a golden goose & were antsy about when they could move on from all the responsibility of taking care of it. never at any point in time took advantage of being the most famous sports franchise in the world. 22 years later, people are still eager to watch a documentary about the chicago bulls because of michael jordan, but the team itself is irrelevant

anyway the first two episodes were good

[The 6ft Hurdle]

To me, BG's ouster was just a sign that Garpax had 0 eyes for identifying a winning piece to a championship team.

ben gordon did not come close to earning his big contract, so...

the bulls chose deng over gordon. and they chose very wisely

And what has Deng won? Sure he'll be remembered in Bulls history, but he didn't do much elsewhere either.

The Bulls managed by Garpax achieved nothing after an extended trial run is all I'm saying. Sure, they gathered the talent, but they ended up losing them because of what looked like strange loyalties.

I thought Tyson Chandler was a winning player --- he eventually played a major role on a championship team. It was a huge mistake when we traded him when we got Ben Wallace. I believed that Noah could've been the same as Tyson.

I'm sad that BG fell apart but when we had him we were a really exciting team that didn't rely on one player.

[Chewie]

The entire bit about Stan Albeck only being able to play Michael 7 minutes per half or he would be fired on the spot in the 85-86 season when he broke his foot and came back, was a bunch of BS. Michael played more than 14 minutes per game in almost all of those games except maybe two or three of them. In the Indy game when Pax hit the game-winning shot Michael played almost 30 minutes. So that part was embellished a little.

Interesting. They did make a big deal about that game in that Jordan hit his minutes limit and wasn't out there for the final shot though. Afterwards Krause being locked out of the locker room and this really was a pivotal moment in terms of Jordan's negative view of the FO (winning vs high draft pick).

[SlimD235]

The entire bit about Stan Albeck only being able to play Michael 7 minutes per half or he would be fired on the spot in the 85-86 season when he broke his foot and came back, was a bunch of BS. Michael played more than 14 minutes per game in almost all of those games except maybe two or three of them. In the Indy game when Pax hit the game-winning shot Michael played almost 30 minutes. So that part was embellished a little.

Oh, and I'm trying to picture Krause coming down and grabbing Stan Albeck by his tie and choking him.

Damn you're right

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1986/

[johnnyvann840]

To me, BG's ouster was just a sign that Garpax had 0 eyes for identifying a winning piece to a championship team.

ben gordon did not come close to earning his big contract, so...

the bulls chose deng over gordon. and they chose very wisely

And what has Deng won? Sure he'll be remembered in Bulls history, but he didn't do much elsewhere either.

The Bulls managed by Garpax achieved nothing after an extended trial run is all I'm saying. Sure, they gathered the talent, but they ended up losing them because of what looked like strange loyalties.

I thought Tyson Chandler was a winning player --- he eventually played a major role on a championship team. It was a huge mistake when we traded him when we got Ben Wallace. I believed that Noah could've been the same as Tyson.

I'm sad that BG fell apart but when we had him we were a really exciting team that didn't rely on one player.

But, sadly, mental illness had already gotten ahold of BG. The Bulls let him go just in time. He pretty much imploded both on and off the court very soon after that.

The Bulls actually got lucky that Gordon's agent was such a douchebag and tried to play chicken with Reinsdorf. They gave him a deadline and he let it pass. Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't play games like that.

[dice]

The entire bit about Stan Albeck only being able to play Michael 7 minutes per half or he would be fired on the spot in the 85-86 season when he broke his foot and came back, was a bunch of BS. Michael played more than 14 minutes per game in almost all of those games except maybe two or three of them. In the Indy game when Pax hit the game-winning shot Michael played almost 30 minutes. So that part was embellished a little.

good catch. i assume that memories were scrambled by the twin realities that 1) he was being played about 7 min per half at the start of his return, and 2) he was likely limited to 7 minutes per QUARTER in the indy game (basketball reference has him playing 28 min that game)