Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

[casual_raps_fan]

Dotson is really growing on me recently

Don't you think his shooting will be a concern?

[pigspigs76]

Raptors should acquire both Ayo Dosunmu and Kofi Cockburn

.. also Jay Scrubb

[HeadtopChunes]

Dotson is really growing on me recently

Don't you think his shooting will be a concern?

That is his for sure his biggest weakness, but he is shooting over 80% from the line and makes a fair volume of 3s albeit inefficiently. Plus his jump shot doesn't look broken to me he has a nice quick release that he shoots with confidence off the catch or off the bounce.

Also, our FO seems to be confident in their ability to teach shooting, so if that's his biggest weakness with a good base to build on top of it doesn't scare me. I do find his mindset and defense appealing to our team's culture + his strong driving ability as a ball-handler is something we could use.

[Mark_83]

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[casual_raps_fan]

How would everyone rank these point guards

Jared Butler
Tre Jones
Grant Riller
Devin Dotson
Tyrell Terry

For draft purposes i'd go

Terry
Dotson
Riller
Jones
Butler

I like Terry but his defensive upside and his ball handling are big question marks for me. Maybe I'm underrating his offence but the Raptors don't have the right personnel to take advantage of his strengths and cover his weaknesses.

He would fit best on a team with a master playmaker like Lebron or Doncic, or in a motion offence like the Warriors. Also the Raptors biggest identity is team defense and his lack of size and strength would make me really concerned whether he would be able to live up to the Raptors defensive standards.

[casual_raps_fan]

Dotson is really growing on me recently

Don't you think his shooting will be a concern?

That is his for sure his biggest weakness, but he is shooting over 80% from the line and makes a fair volume of 3s albeit inefficiently. Plus his jump shot doesn't look broken to me he has a nice quick release that he shoots with confidence off the catch or off the bounce.

Also, our FO seems to be confident in their ability to teach shooting, so if that's his biggest weakness with a good base to build on top of it doesn't scare me. I do find his mindset and defense appealing to our team's culture + his strong driving ability as a ball-handler is something we could use.

Ok. Fair enough. I'm more wary of guards who don't shoot well since they will have to rely on it a ton in the pros.

[Mark_83]

I think Patrick Williams is a project but man does that guy have some amazing natural abilities. Great athlete who can block shots way out of range for a PF. This is the classic upside pick as his numbers were nothing special, but the physical abilities and being only 18 makes him really interesting.

Comparing Williams to Paul Reed is like they are opposites Reed has dynamic numbers (2 blks 2 stls averaged last season) and solid progress over his collegiate career. Whiles Williams is nothing jaw dropping off the page.

Eye test tells me that Reed is solid, but is not the most fluid athlete and is not likely to dominate as he did in college.

Williams in his play look way more dynamic and fluid as a big man. Can this guy be a SF and PF?

I think Williams should stay at Florida State for another year, but knowing the NBA this guy will get picked in the first round based on upside.

Curious if Masai would like a project like Williams. It could be Anunoby or it could be Bruno all over again.

I think he's closer to Anunoby than Bruno, unless he has negative bball IQ like ice belly.

[Dalek]

I think Patrick Williams is a project but man does that guy have some amazing natural abilities. Great athlete who can block shots way out of range for a PF. This is the classic upside pick as his numbers were nothing special, but the physical abilities and being only 18 makes him really interesting.

Comparing Williams to Paul Reed is like they are opposites Reed has dynamic numbers (2 blks 2 stls averaged last season) and solid progress over his collegiate career. Whiles Williams is nothing jaw dropping off the page.

Eye test tells me that Reed is solid, but is not the most fluid athlete and is not likely to dominate as he did in college.

Williams in his play look way more dynamic and fluid as a big man. Can this guy be a SF and PF?

I think Williams should stay at Florida State for another year, but knowing the NBA this guy will get picked in the first round based on upside.

Curious if Masai would like a project like Williams. It could be Anunoby or it could be Bruno all over again.

I think he's closer to Anunoby than Bruno, unless he has negative bball IQ like ice belly.

I would agree with you. Both OG and Bruno ended up rotation players with OG able to start on a playoff team. I really like Williams and Ayayi as the two darkhorse candidates for the pick.

[casual_raps_fan]

I think Paul Reed should be the 1st pick for the Raptors. He can run the break as a PF. Unless a top 10 pick falls; though look at Skal Labisierre and Dejuan Blair. Hoping for an OG or Draymond.

Or Jalen Smith.

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I'd be very surprised if Reed was available at the Raptors pick. He checks all the boxes as a potential all around starting forward in the NBA. He looks like he will be able to knock down open NBA 3s, can run the floor, can put the ball on the deck, physically is perfect defending 4s and will probably be good at switching.

If he is available, you take him and run.

[God Squad]

I think Paul Reed should be the 1st pick for the Raptors. He can run the break as a PF. Unless a top 10 pick falls; though look at Skal Labisierre and Dejuan Blair. Hoping for an OG or Draymond.

Or Jalen Smith.

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If we end up with Reed or Smith ill be very excited. I really like Smith for some reason. Good chance Reed will be off-board.

I like Smith but I hear he's not a very good defender other than the blocks. He might get destroyed on switches.

What's a good comp for Smith and Reed? I see Smith as a bargain bin Anthony Davis or Poor man Ibaka? Maybe he surprises.

[Psubs]

How would everyone rank these point guards

Jared Butler
Tre Jones
Grant Riller
Devin Dotson
Tyrell Terry

For draft purposes i'd go

Terry
Dotson
Riller
Jones
Butler

I like Terry but his defensive upside and his ball handling are big question marks for me. Maybe I'm underrating his offence but the Raptors don't have the right personnel to take advantage of his strengths and cover his weaknesses.

He would fit best on a team with a master playmaker like Lebron or Doncic, or in a motion offence like the Warriors. Also the Raptors biggest identity is team defense and his lack of size and strength would make me really concerned whether he would be able to live up to the Raptors defensive standards.

There's a site that has him grown from 6'1-6'3. I've seen another that has him at 6'2. That's decent height.

He should be at least decent defensively like Curry and not like Trae Young.

If he ends up being like 6'3 (6'2 in shoes) he shouldn't make it past Orlando at #15 but maybe Philly at #20.

Terry is from Minnesota so the cold isn't a factor.

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[casual_raps_fan]

For draft purposes i'd go

Terry
Dotson
Riller
Jones
Butler

I like Terry but his defensive upside and his ball handling are big question marks for me. Maybe I'm underrating his offence but the Raptors don't have the right personnel to take advantage of his strengths and cover his weaknesses.

He would fit best on a team with a master playmaker like Lebron or Doncic, or in a motion offence like the Warriors. Also the Raptors biggest identity is team defense and his lack of size and strength would make me really concerned whether he would be able to live up to the Raptors defensive standards.

There's a site that has him grown from 6'1-6'3. I've seen another that has him at 6'2. That's decent height.

He should be at least decent defensively like Curry and not like Trae Young.

If he ends up being like 6'3 (6'2 in shoes) he shouldn't make it past Orlando at #15 but maybe Philly at #20.

Terry is from Minnesota so the cold isn't a factor.

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Some food for thought.
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/04/15/tyrell-terry-scouting-report/

I'd like to be clear I'm not against drafting him. I think he will probably be selected before the Raptors pick but if he drops to us and we select him, I'd be ok with it. A player who has a skill to turbo charge an offence is exciting.

[BoyzNTheHood]

If we end up with Reed or Smith ill be very excited. I really like Smith for some reason. Good chance Reed will be off-board.

I like Smith but I hear he's not a very good defender other than the blocks. He might get destroyed on switches.

What's a good comp for Smith and Reed? I see Smith as a bargain bin Anthony Davis or Poor man Ibaka? Maybe he surprises.

Smith is more of a current Ibaka where he's not great defensively but will block shots, and Reed is somewhat like Nerlens Noel where he'll give you a little bit of everything as a utility guy.

[Sir-Swish-A-Lot]

Tyrell Terry is not that good. Take it from someone who watched a lot of Pac 12 basketball. CJ Elleby is a much better prospect than Tyrell Terry. PG Payton Pritchard (Oregon) is better than Tyrell Terry.

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[casual_raps_fan]

Tyrell Terry is not that good. Take it from someone who watched a lot of Pac 12 basketball. CJ Elleby is a much better prospect than Tyrell Terry. PG Payton Pritchard (Oregon) is better than Tyrell Terry.

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I'd definitely be much happier with CJ Elleby over Tyrell Terry. Elleby's size gives him a path to a two way player.

[casual_raps_fan]

Lots of good candidates posted within this thread. The more I learn about this draft class and its depth, the more confident I am Raps can come away with an eventual rotation piece, with upside.

Adding my two-cents recommendation, I really like the scouting report and video on Grant Riller. On the surface a 6'3 combo-guard may not be our biggest need. But dig a little deeper, this guy immediately could provide us with a needed playmaking option and, in the long-run, put us in a better position for the post-Lowry era.

So many things scream a Raptors kind of guy - proven upperclassman, great advanced stats, translatable skills, sneaky upside. My biggest fear is other analytics-heavy front offices, who are picking before us, may be on him too.

A great breakdown of his game was provided at The Stepien: https://www.thestepien.com/2020/03/30/case-grant-riller/

Found this on theStepien as well.
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/20/grant-riller-scouting-report/

He looks really good. He'd be a perfect fit for the Raptors as our backup primary ball handler. If he can become a defender, he has potential to be a starter.

I'll take a closer look but I think I am on board with Grant Riller. He checks all the boxes to be a successful guard on the Raptors.

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The more I watch Grant Riller play, the more I want the Raptors to draft him. He looks tailor made for our offense. His game reminds me of Fred Van Vleet quite a bit. His shot isn't as good as Fred but he has more size, faster first step, and better handles. Since he has handles of a primary ball handler and has solid size for a guard, he can probably play in the backcourt with any of our guards (Kyle, Fred, Norm , TD, McCaw).

He is an absolute stat stuffer too. I was expecting mostly just lots of points and not much else statistically but he does it all.

[rapsdotcom]

Dotson is really growing on me recently

Don't you think his shooting will be a concern?

I think we trust our staff to help him develop his 3pt range, his ft numbers bode well. He’s got a lot of young Kyle about him with his toughness and ability to get to the rim. I think he’ll be a good pro.

[rapsdotcom]

Riller does look solid, but one thing that would give me pause on him is his assist/turnover ratio. It’s pretty close to 1:1 over his career which is not great for a lead guard.
If we go with a forward I like Tyler Bey and Pat Williams. Bey seems like Oshae Brisset with a longer wingspan and more offensive game at this stage. That type of player is in our rotation right away imo. Pat Williams is obviously raw but there’s a ton of upside there, and I’m sure our staff would love to be able to shape his game.

[HeadtopChunes]

Lots of good candidates posted within this thread. The more I learn about this draft class and its depth, the more confident I am Raps can come away with an eventual rotation piece, with upside.

Adding my two-cents recommendation, I really like the scouting report and video on Grant Riller. On the surface a 6'3 combo-guard may not be our biggest need. But dig a little deeper, this guy immediately could provide us with a needed playmaking option and, in the long-run, put us in a better position for the post-Lowry era.

So many things scream a Raptors kind of guy - proven upperclassman, great advanced stats, translatable skills, sneaky upside. My biggest fear is other analytics-heavy front offices, who are picking before us, may be on him too.

A great breakdown of his game was provided at The Stepien: https://www.thestepien.com/2020/03/30/case-grant-riller/

Found this on theStepien as well.
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/20/grant-riller-scouting-report/

He looks really good. He'd be a perfect fit for the Raptors as our backup primary ball handler. If he can become a defender, he has potential to be a starter.

I'll take a closer look but I think I am on board with Grant Riller. He checks all the boxes to be a successful guard on the Raptors.

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The more I watch Grant Riller play, the more I want the Raptors to draft him. He looks tailor made for our offense. His game reminds me of Fred Van Vleet quite a bit. His shot isn't as good as Fred but he has more size, faster first step, and better handles. Since he has handles of a primary ball handler and has solid size for a guard, he can probably play in the backcourt with any of our guards (Kyle, Fred, Norm , TD, McCaw).

He is an absolute stat stuffer too. I was expecting mostly just lots of points and not much else statistically but he does it all.

I would definitely be happy with Riller, offensively I like him a lot. He's a very skilled scorer and an underrated athlete. I'd say he has one of the higher offensive upsides in our range.

That being said the main knock on him is his age (23 years old, that's the same age as OG) which might limit his upside and his poor defense. Also while his numbers are very impressive it's important to remember he played in a weaker conference so there's a boost there vs other draft candidates.

[Psubs]

Tyrell Terry is not that good. Take it from someone who watched a lot of Pac 12 basketball. CJ Elleby is a much better prospect than Tyrell Terry. PG Payton Pritchard (Oregon) is better than Tyrell Terry.

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I'd definitely be much happier with CJ Elleby over Tyrell Terry. Elleby's size gives him a path to a two way player.

Like fellow lefty SG/SF CJ Miles?

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