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NBAFan93 wrote:This is interesting. I guess it’s played out that asthma really isn’t as bad of a risk factor as anticipated, and that even otherwise healthy obese people are at a higher risk. Overweight Americans should really be working on losing weight ASAP if they weren’t before.
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-risk-factors-hint-at-how-pandemic-will-play-out-124657256.html
DowJones wrote:I really wish our media here in the states wasn't so political with this virus. One side of the political aisle is attacking Fauci and the other side appears to now be attacking Birx, claiming she is losing credibility. They are both extremely good at their jobs--let's let them give advice.
michaelm wrote:DowJones wrote:I really wish our media here in the states wasn't so political with this virus. One side of the political aisle is attacking Fauci and the other side appears to now be attacking Birx, claiming she is losing credibility. They are both extremely good at their jobs--let's let them give advice.
As an outside observer this seems very true. I have been watching snippets of both Fox and Friends and CNN (not for extended periods, there are limits to my curiosity) and both seem agenda driven, and more interested in praising or criticising Trump’s handling of the crisis than in what is actually transpiring.
Kabookalu wrote:michaelm wrote:DowJones wrote:I really wish our media here in the states wasn't so political with this virus. One side of the political aisle is attacking Fauci and the other side appears to now be attacking Birx, claiming she is losing credibility. They are both extremely good at their jobs--let's let them give advice.
As an outside observer this seems very true. I have been watching snippets of both Fox and Friends and CNN (not for extended periods, there are limits to my curiosity) and both seem agenda driven, and more interested in praising or criticising Trump’s handling of the crisis than in what is actually transpiring.
I don't watch CNN for the same reason I don't ESPN. They take objective information, and manipulate it in a way to make you feel an emotion, because that's how you grab an audience's attention, by making them feel something through your storytelling. They'll take the big picture, and then selectively take bits and pieces of it to form a narrative. CNN is explicit with this, but not to the extent of Fox who might as well be considered state propaganda.
All that being said I don't see how anyone informed on this can say that Trump's handling of this has been anything short of a disaster. There's a whole laundry list to go through, but stealing medical supplies from states, and selling them to private companies, who pit states against each other in a bidding war so they can buy something they already paid for, is the most irresponsible act I've ever seen a president commit in my lifetime. The states are all out here fending for themselves with little help of the federal government.
michaelm wrote:DowJones wrote:I really wish our media here in the states wasn't so political with this virus. One side of the political aisle is attacking Fauci and the other side appears to now be attacking Birx, claiming she is losing credibility. They are both extremely good at their jobs--let's let them give advice.
As an outside observer this seems very true. I have been watching snippets of both Fox and Friends and CNN (not for extended periods, there are limits to my curiosity) and both seem agenda driven, and more interested in praising or criticising Trump’s handling of the crisis than in what is actually transpiring.
DowJones wrote:I also think America's "testing failure" is dramatically overblown. America has run 4.32 million. The next closest country is Germany at 2.07 million. Italy is next at 1.51 million. Now let's take a look at testing in terms of percentage of the population:
United States: 1.30%
Germany: 2.45%
South Korea: 1.13%
Canada: 1.51%
United Kingdom: 0.82%
France: 0.71%
Netherlands: 1.00%
Belgium: 1.48%
Sweden: 0.94%
Finland: 1.24%
Norway: 2.74%
Singapore: 1.62%
Italy: 2.50%
Spain: 1.99%
America falls somewhere in the middle among this group of countries, which is an accomplishment considering how many people there are and how physically large the country is. Germany, as an example, is smaller than the state of Montana. It is much easier to test people in a country is dense.
Kabookalu wrote:michaelm wrote:DowJones wrote:I really wish our media here in the states wasn't so political with this virus. One side of the political aisle is attacking Fauci and the other side appears to now be attacking Birx, claiming she is losing credibility. They are both extremely good at their jobs--let's let them give advice.
As an outside observer this seems very true. I have been watching snippets of both Fox and Friends and CNN (not for extended periods, there are limits to my curiosity) and both seem agenda driven, and more interested in praising or criticising Trump’s handling of the crisis than in what is actually transpiring.
I don't watch CNN for the same reason I don't ESPN. They take objective information, and manipulate it in a way to make you feel an emotion, because that's how you grab an audience's attention, by making them feel something through your storytelling. They'll take the big picture, and then selectively take bits and pieces of it to form a narrative. CNN is explicit with this, but not to the extent of Fox who might as well be considered state propaganda.
All that being said I don't see how anyone informed on this can say that Trump's handling of this has been anything short of a disaster.
michaelm wrote:Closing down flights from China early in proceedings for which he was criticised...
Fairview4Life wrote:michaelm wrote:Closing down flights from China early in proceedings for which he was criticised...
He didn't "close down" flights from China early, and he wasn't actually criticized for the restrictions he did put on non American travel from China in January. The only real criticism of his January travel restrictions were because he also extended the Muslim ban to Nigeria and a bunch of other African countries around the same time, because Stephen Miller is a racist clown.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-trump-china-travel-ban-45a2da12-8063-4ad9-ba28-61cdeb1ce0b3.html
No need to spread the myth that he stood up to the PC police to save American lives. He didn't. They actually debated travel restrictions for a month before enacting limited restrictions and over 400k travelers had already arrived over that time. 40k arrived after his "ban". There was already community spread in the US by the end of January. The restrictions were clearly late and ineffective anyway.
Fairview4Life wrote:michaelm wrote:Closing down flights from China early in proceedings for which he was criticised...
He didn't "close down" flights from China early, and he wasn't actually criticized for the restrictions he did put on non American travel from China in January. The only real criticism of his January travel restrictions were because he also extended the Muslim ban to Nigeria and a bunch of other African countries around the same time, because Stephen Miller is a racist clown.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-trump-china-travel-ban-45a2da12-8063-4ad9-ba28-61cdeb1ce0b3.html
No need to spread the myth that he stood up to the PC police to save American lives. He didn't. They actually debated travel restrictions for a month before enacting limited restrictions and over 400k travelers had already arrived over that time. 40k arrived after his "ban". There was already community spread in the US by the end of January. The restrictions were clearly late and ineffective anyway.
DowJones wrote:I also think America's "testing failure" is dramatically overblown. America has run 4.32 million. The next closest country is Germany at 2.07 million. Italy is next at 1.51 million. Now let's take a look at testing in terms of percentage of the population:
United States: 1.30%
Germany: 2.45%
South Korea: 1.13%
Canada: 1.51%
United Kingdom: 0.82%
France: 0.71%
Netherlands: 1.00%
Belgium: 1.48%
Sweden: 0.94%
Finland: 1.24%
Norway: 2.74%
Singapore: 1.62%
Italy: 2.50%
Spain: 1.99%
America falls somewhere in the middle among this group of countries, which is an accomplishment considering how many people there are and how physically large the country is. Germany, as an example, is smaller than the state of Montana. It is much easier to test people in a country is dense.
DowJones wrote:I do think the article is interesting in a different way. There is a graph that shows travel to America from China in the month of January and it shows that LA had significantly more flights than NY. Same with San Francisco. If that is the case, why haven't those 2 cities been hit the way NY has? It goes back to what I said over and over again--travel from Italy was what killed us, not travel from China. America actually did a good job in stopping the spread from China. We just didn't expect Italy to crush us the way that it did and by the time we figured that out (Mid-March) the cat was out of the bag.
michaelm wrote:DowJones wrote:I really wish our media here in the states wasn't so political with this virus. One side of the political aisle is attacking Fauci and the other side appears to now be attacking Birx, claiming she is losing credibility. They are both extremely good at their jobs--let's let them give advice.
As an outside observer this seems very true. I have been watching snippets of both Fox and Friends and CNN (not for extended periods, there are limits to my curiosity) and both seem agenda driven, and more interested in praising or criticising Trump’s handling of the crisis than in what is actually transpiring.
Pointgod wrote:michaelm wrote:DowJones wrote:I really wish our media here in the states wasn't so political with this virus. One side of the political aisle is attacking Fauci and the other side appears to now be attacking Birx, claiming she is losing credibility. They are both extremely good at their jobs--let's let them give advice.
As an outside observer this seems very true. I have been watching snippets of both Fox and Friends and CNN (not for extended periods, there are limits to my curiosity) and both seem agenda driven, and more interested in praising or criticising Trump’s handling of the crisis than in what is actually transpiring.
Here’s the thing we’re both outside observers but this isn’t a both sides issue. Trump has been uniquely unqualified to lead in a moment of crisis and he’s screwed this situation up in almost every way imaginable. I don’t watch CNN, but they do provide credible experts on the channel if you don’t want to tune into their opinion segments. I watch MSNBC and they’re really good providing expert analysis but also talking the issue from many different points of view which includes people on the frontlines, policy makers, people from past administrations who were in charge of pandemic responses and unique views on how it disproportionately affects people of colour. Meanwhile Fox News is pushing unfounded claims that it was created in a lab and has idiots like Dr. Phil on there incorrectly claiming more people die in swimming pools than from coronavirus. You can’t talk about the response without criticizing the lack of leadership, it’s plain facts not agenda driven media hype. I think you mentioned you’re from Australia. Well I think your PM is absolute dog ****, but at least you can probably point out specific steps he took to limit the spread and how he actually showed leadership through tone and actions. You don’t have to spin anything because the facts and results can support the argument. Not so much with Trump. The bar is so low with him that if he had shut his mouth and let the experts make decisions he’d be getting all the credit from supposedly bias outlets like CNN. This isn’t inherently political but neither Trump or his supporters can admit that he’s making an extremely tough situation even worse. If you want to get a better idea of what’s happening on the ground in America you should watch the Governor’s addresses.