2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[malik959]

Kira Lewis can low key be one of the best guards in the draft. Was watching more footage of him and I’m very intrigued.

he's moved his way up to late lottery I think

I wouldn't mind the Knicks trading down for him if we are in the 6-10 range

Rather trade up from 27th for Nesmith or Vassell, although I do like him and I feel that if the season didn't end early we would have seen him increase in this draft within 10. But our 6th pick is actually in a decent position to pick up someone special.

[HerSports85]

I don’t know, you automatically have to go with Lamelo or Hayes off their potential alone, but I’m with a few others..Kira Lewis might be the best PG in the draft.

I haven’t really looked into him until now, since I have nothing but free time, but his speed, finishing around the rim, off ball play and iq is intriguing. Not to mention, his FT shooting is a bonus. Kind of remind me a Ja Morant without the flashy dunks and elite vision although he’s a good passer.

[robillionaire]

Ja Morant without the flashy dunks and elite vision

so without everything that makes him good i'd be more than comfortable taking him 27 though. it's a slow quarter for the media i think everyone in the top 30 will end up getting a moment on the hype train before it's over but they can't all move up to the lottery, someone good will end up falling to us

[jvsimonetti0514]

Read on Twitter

Wasserman thread on some highlight plays of a bunch of prospects.

[HerSports85]

Ja Morant without the flashy dunks and elite vision

so without everything that makes him good i'd be more than comfortable taking him 27 though. it's a slow quarter for the media i think everyone in the top 30 will end up getting a moment on the hype train before it's over but they can't all move up to the lottery, someone good will end up falling to us

The only knock is the elite vision, although he’s a good passer .. no one cares about the flashy dunks. His speed, craftiness around the basket, ability to cut, feel for the game, shot selection (their percentages is almost identical), and measurements is what remind me of Ja.

I’d definitely take him over Cole Anthony.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Anyone else? Someone? Who was impressed after watching that Cole Anthony video?

I wasn't impressed or unimpressed. Its true that none of these guys will be confused for Steph Curry at this point. But I would think atleast some will become solid to more than solid shooters. Im not expert but his mechanics seem ok and he doesn't seem to be as mentally fragile as DJR.

Ofcourse we wont know until the season starts. I read more than a few reports saying that Lamelo could develop into a decent shooter ans Hayes as well.

Haliburton still intrigues me, slow release and all. To me he's the guy that will be better than he looks. But that isn't based on anything solid, just his intangibles.

Yeah, I still like Haliburton. After Ball and Hayes I see a drop, but Haliburton is the next PG right now for me. His combination of vision/passing/IQ might be 2nd best in the draft. Think a lot of his skills will translate well.

[HEZI]

Read on Twitter

Wasserman thread on some highlight plays of a bunch of prospects.

The Ringer had his comp as Jason Williams and then I also remembered Brandon Jennings. The flashy passing is nice for the highlights but what other strengths does he bring? Other than throwing the occasional flashy pass his vision isn't anything special, he settles for terrible shots way more often than making the right read and play.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Read on Twitter

Wasserman thread on some highlight plays of a bunch of prospects.

The Ringer had his comp as Jason Williams and then I also remembered Brandon Jennings. The flashy passing is nice for the highlights but what other strengths does he bring? Other than throwing the occasional flashy pass his vision isn't anything special, he settles for terrible shots way more often than making the right read and play.

That's always my fave part of the ringers draft guides. They usually give a guys ceiling, middle ground, and bust player comparison. I disagree that LaMelo doesn't have good vision but I think Jennings would be a good bust player comparison for him. I can't just imagine him being reluctant to shoot like Jennings was when he was here.

[RHODEY]

Ja Morant without the flashy dunks and elite vision

so without everything that makes him good i'd be more than comfortable taking him 27 though. it's a slow quarter for the media i think everyone in the top 30 will end up getting a moment on the hype train before it's over but they can't all move up to the lottery, someone good will end up falling to us

Thats what I was thinking oiginally, until I took a closer look. After watching him a bit I would say "(with about 90%) of everything that makes him good ". The kid is blazin fast..and we could definitely use that. Not a prime target but a very strong secondary target for me.

[knickstape21]

It does? To you? Yikes!

What exactly is the difference between Dennis Smith hitting wide open shots and Cole Anthony hitting wide open shots? Smith's shooting form isn't ideal but do you really think Cole Anthony's shooting form is better? Seriously? Cause it's not. Smith's form is better and they are both flawed. And whether Dennis Smith Jr has been flub and vast disappointment or not (and he has) has nothing to do with shooting open shots and that's what you are showing of Cole Anthony. But that's not really even the point.

The bottom line is that vids like this doesn't show a thing about Cole Anthony that should be changing the minds of anyone which, I'm guessing is why you are posting this. Just like the vid of Dennis Smith Jr. shooting open shots before the season, of him running up and down the stairs and fields shouldn't. Just like Carmelo Anthony vids of him pushing the truck tires around shouldn't. None of that really says anything about anything in terms of what they can do for the Knicks (or any other team) on the basketball court cause no one is going to be shooting wide open 3's in an empty gym nor having to push truck tires around when the game starts.

Vids like these are worse than highlight vids in trying to prove a point since at least in the highlight vids you can see what a player can do under the best of in game situations. I mean I'm pretty sure there's a vid of Mitch Robinson shooting and hitting wide open jumpers as well. We all know that Cole Anthony shoots the ball in games, the problem is his perceived and/or real shooting problems in games.
This doesn't really somehow show that the poor shooting percentage in games is somehow now a lesser concern than it was before this vid.

He's got the best 3 point shooting percentage on over 6 attempts per game than any of the freshman or sophomore PGs in his draft class. Haliburton has a better percentage but on less volume. Nobody else projected to go in the 1st round is shooting 35% from 3 on over 6 attempts a game but leave it up to Moocow to try to convince me that he can't shoot and his jumper is worse than DSJ

Go have a seat

Yeah I didn’t understand that argument at all. Cole Anthony can stroke it and with confidence. DSJ shot is horrifying to look at and he has zero confidence.

[RHODEY]

Read on Twitter

Wasserman thread on some highlight plays of a bunch of prospects.

The Ringer had his comp as Jason Williams and then I also remembered Brandon Jennings. The flashy passing is nice for the highlights but what other strengths does he bring? Other than throwing the occasional flashy pass his vision isn't anything special, he settles for terrible shots way more often than making the right read and play.

That's always my fave part of the ringers draft guides. They usually give a guys ceiling, middle ground, and bust player comparison. I disagree that LaMelo doesn't have good vision but I think Jennings would be a good bust player comparison for him. I can't just imagine him being reluctant to shoot like Jennings was when he was here.

If Jennings was 6'7"(instead of 6'1") how good would he have been...?

[newyorker4ever]

That Dallas pick next year is going to be lottery. Luka took the league by surprise this year and they got off to a hot start.

ONE injury to Doncic and we’re looking at a top 10 pick. You already know KP will be in and out all year.

The Mavs will get plenty of attention from free agents with them having Luka and KP to go with Carlisle, M.Cuban and living in Dallas.

[HEZI]

The Ringer had his comp as Jason Williams and then I also remembered Brandon Jennings. The flashy passing is nice for the highlights but what other strengths does he bring? Other than throwing the occasional flashy pass his vision isn't anything special, he settles for terrible shots way more often than making the right read and play.

That's always my fave part of the ringers draft guides. They usually give a guys ceiling, middle ground, and bust player comparison. I disagree that LaMelo doesn't have good vision but I think Jennings would be a good bust player comparison for him. I can't just imagine him being reluctant to shoot like Jennings was when he was here.

If Jennings was 6'7"(instead of 6'1") how good would he have been...?

He would have been the same. The only time size truly matters for a PG is when you are able to move them around to different positions. If you are 6'7" but can't play off the ball, it really doesn't matter that you are 6'7". Lamelo shot 37% from the field in a weak Australian league where Aaron Brooks is an elite player.

[Zenzibar]

That Dallas pick next year is going to be lottery. Luka took the league by surprise this year and they got off to a hot start.

ONE injury to Doncic and we’re looking at a top 10 pick. You already know KP will be in and out all year.

The Mavs will get plenty of attention from free agents with them having Luka and KP to go with Carlisle, M.Cuban and living in Dallas.

Hmmm, I don't know about that. A young star wants to have a chance to be THAT guy and in Dallas he'll be maybe 3rd fiddle. Sure he'll have a chance to reach 2nd round with the Lakers, Denver, Clippers and Warriors at the top of the heap.
But reaching the playoffs in New York is a different kind of experience than Dallas.

[RHODEY]

That's always my fave part of the ringers draft guides. They usually give a guys ceiling, middle ground, and bust player comparison. I disagree that LaMelo doesn't have good vision but I think Jennings would be a good bust player comparison for him. I can't just imagine him being reluctant to shoot like Jennings was when he was here.

If Jennings was 6'7"(instead of 6'1") how good would he have been...?

He would have been the same. The only time size truly matters for a PG is when you are able to move them around to different positions. If you are 6'7" but can't play off the ball, it really doesn't matter that you are 6'7". Lamelo shot 37% from the field in a weak Australian league where Aaron Brooks is an elite player.

You dont think that extra six inches would have increased his efficiency on drives? Anyway I dont think Lamelo is nearly as quick footed.

[knickstape21]

That Dallas pick next year is going to be lottery. Luka took the league by surprise this year and they got off to a hot start.

ONE injury to Doncic and we’re looking at a top 10 pick. You already know KP will be in and out all year.

The Mavs will get plenty of attention from free agents with them having Luka and KP to go with Carlisle, M.Cuban and living in Dallas.

Free agents this year? Not too much to choose from...

Plus aren’t they locked into KP max, Curry deal, Kleber deal, Hardaway... can they pay for a max like Oladipo?

[God Squad]

That's always my fave part of the ringers draft guides. They usually give a guys ceiling, middle ground, and bust player comparison. I disagree that LaMelo doesn't have good vision but I think Jennings would be a good bust player comparison for him. I can't just imagine him being reluctant to shoot like Jennings was when he was here.

If Jennings was 6'7"(instead of 6'1") how good would he have been...?

He would have been the same. The only time size truly matters for a PG is when you are able to move them around to different positions. If you are 6'7" but can't play off the ball, it really doesn't matter that you are 6'7". Lamelo shot 37% from the field in a weak Australian league where Aaron Brooks is an elite player.

Not that I disagree with your perception of Ball. But Aaron Brooks would absolutely COOK most players in college. So I don't see how that's a knock on the Australian league.

[Deeeez Knicks]

That's always my fave part of the ringers draft guides. They usually give a guys ceiling, middle ground, and bust player comparison. I disagree that LaMelo doesn't have good vision but I think Jennings would be a good bust player comparison for him. I can't just imagine him being reluctant to shoot like Jennings was when he was here.

If Jennings was 6'7"(instead of 6'1") how good would he have been...?

He would have been the same. The only time size truly matters for a PG is when you are able to move them around to different positions. If you are 6'7" but can't play off the ball, it really doesn't matter that you are 6'7". Lamelo shot 37% from the field in a weak Australian league where Aaron Brooks is an elite player.

Size can def be a big advantage as a PG in seeing over the defense, using size in the lane, postups, etc. Opens up more passing lanes

[robillionaire]

i would consider killian tillie if he's around at 38, could use a stretch big, shot 44% from 3 over his 4 years at gonzaga. 33rd on tankathon big board 41 in their mock draft. downsides he's 22 and has been injury prone. i saw a video of him in france from 2015 he looked like stick man now has bulked up. potential to be an elite shooter high bball iq good passer nba ready to contribute from day 1, a lot to like

here's a good scouting report spencer wrote on him https://www.thestepien.com/2020/03/30/killian-tillie-scouting-report/

Watch on YouTube

[8516knicks]

Tillie has been talked about as first round pick since his first season with Gonzaga but those injuries keep happening on schedule. Big risk if anyone serviceable as a rotation player is available. Needs great medical reports.