OT- The Last Dance documentary

[fleet]

then it's the spurs in the finals. 3rd best team they would have faced during the dynasty years in the finals. 7.12 SRS, crushed the west in the playoffs, going 15-1. spurs probably have home court. i think the bulls are slight favorites, but that's a battle

Worth noting that Rodman went off the reservation the next year too. He signed on with the Lakers, whom were a legit contender, and didn't last or help them at all.

Maybe things would have been better in Chicago, but there's every reason to think that Rodman was going to be considerably reduced.

You were going up against a Spurs team with a drastically reduced Rodman and completely crap at center that was sending Tim Duncan and David Robinson at you. The Bulls had no way to defend either of those guys most likely.

Not sure how well the Spurs could have defended Jordan or Pippen for that matter, neither team was probably at its strength defending the other, but there's pretty good reason to think we weren't getting past the Spurs.

IIRC while Rodman was on the Lakers they had a much better record, small sample size albeit. Not sure what happened over there in LA, but with Detroit and Chicago, Rodman was pulling on the leash hard enough to loosen the stakes, but he never pulled up the stakes. Rodman was always who he always was. He had MJ PJ and Scottie with him in Chicago, and for some reason he respected those guys enough to stay as near to the reservation as he needed to be in order to help the team. I think he would have been alright staying here.

[fleet]

jay williams was on first take yesterday saying that lavine is a better athlete than MJ

If Jay Will thinks he is a better athletic just because LaVine jumps higher, sure. But being an a great athlete is more than just being a high jumper.

Jordan was not only had good bounce, but he was fast, he was strong, and something that was undenial was how quick he was, his twitch muscle reactions were out of this world, something you can't teach.

I've never been fortunate enough to see MJ live, but I've seen numerous people saying that MJ and the way he moved stood out like a sore thumb, how graceful and fast he was, almost like a cat.

That's not to discount LaVine as an athlete because he is a top tier athlete himself, but Jordan was something uniquely differently.

does Lavine have a 45 in vert? Maybe he does, but we didn’t call MJ Air Jordan for nothing. Lavine can’t hang like that.

I saw them both. Perhaps different eras, there were lots of behemoths on teams in the 90s, but the thing about MJ sticking out like he was moving at a different speed than everyone else was true. Way different speed. And I haven’t seen that relativity since. Derrick Rose could look like that sometimes though.

[AKfanatic]

jay williams was on first take yesterday saying that lavine is a better athlete than MJ

Saw that. It’s funny how many people obviously never watched a young MJ.

It seems that many folks believe 30+ year old Jordan was athletic peak Jordan.

i mean, if you're judging athleticism solely by dunking ability and speed, then he MAY be correct. and i'm not sure that there's anything that MJ distinctly does better than lavine from a purely athletic perspective. i just don't see where he gets that lavine is a BETTER all-around athlete

Agreed.

It’s not insulting or delusional for someone to think Lavine was as athletic, or more athletic than MJ.... I think it’s wrong, but Zach is a freak athlete.

Better all-around would be hard to prove. MJ in his athletic prime was just as freakish, if not more. His vert, speed, ability to change directions both on the ground and in the air, his hangtime, strength... MJ was a marvel.

Not taking anything away from Zach. Athletically, he possesses a lot of the same gifts MJ had... and his athletic ability after injury is remarkable.

I can’t prove it obviously, but young MJ seemed to have much more strength, even being “skinny” MJ and his coordination seemed a notch above Zach’s, who also is highly coordinated.

[Payt10]

jay williams was on first take yesterday saying that lavine is a better athlete than MJ

If Jay Will thinks he is a better athletic just because LaVine jumps higher, sure. But being an a great athlete is more than just being a high jumper.

Jordan was not only had good bounce, but he was fast, he was strong, and something that was undenial was how quick he was, his twitch muscle reactions were out of this world, something you can't teach.

I've never been fortunate enough to see MJ live, but I've seen numerous people saying that MJ and the way he moved stood out like a sore thumb, how graceful and fast he was, almost like a cat.

That's not to discount LaVine as an athlete because he is a top tier athlete himself, but Jordan was something uniquely differently.

does Lavine have a 45 in vert? Maybe he does, but we didn’t call MJ Air Jordan for nothing. Lavine can’t hang like that.

I saw them both. Perhaps different eras, there were lots of behemoths on teams in the 90s, but the thing about MJ sticking out like he was moving at a different speed than everyone else was true. Way different speed. And I haven’t seen that relativity since. Derrick Rose could look like that sometimes though.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/zach-lavine-46-inch-vertical-leap-video-lakers-vine/nmkfllkxzni1ki1tojwb6z8h

This article says he registered a 41.5 inch vertical at the combine, but later got to 46 inches in a workout with the Lakers.

[AKfanatic]

Watch on YouTube

There’s a few plays here that really show MJ’s explosion.

One thing that I think Jordan has over Zach, that allows his athleticism to shine compared to Zach’s, is his BB intelligence. MJ just knew when and where to cut off ball to allow him to receive the ball and explode.

His off ball game, even in his first couple seasons was worlds beyond Zach’s and that allowed him some opportunities to get the rock at the most opportune positions to wreak havoc with his athletic gifts.

[dice]

If Jay Will thinks he is a better athletic just because LaVine jumps higher, sure. But being an a great athlete is more than just being a high jumper.

Jordan was not only had good bounce, but he was fast, he was strong, and something that was undenial was how quick he was, his twitch muscle reactions were out of this world, something you can't teach.

I've never been fortunate enough to see MJ live, but I've seen numerous people saying that MJ and the way he moved stood out like a sore thumb, how graceful and fast he was, almost like a cat.

That's not to discount LaVine as an athlete because he is a top tier athlete himself, but Jordan was something uniquely differently.

does Lavine have a 45 in vert? Maybe he does, but we didn’t call MJ Air Jordan for nothing. Lavine can’t hang like that.

I saw them both. Perhaps different eras, there were lots of behemoths on teams in the 90s, but the thing about MJ sticking out like he was moving at a different speed than everyone else was true. Way different speed. And I haven’t seen that relativity since. Derrick Rose could look like that sometimes though.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/zach-lavine-46-inch-vertical-leap-video-lakers-vine/nmkfllkxzni1ki1tojwb6z8h

This article says he registered a 41.5 inch vertical at the combine, but later got to 46 inches in a workout with the Lakers.

both could/can dunk from foul line, for what that's worth. and they're the same height. not sure anyone's ever done it as eloquently as jordan's signature dunk contest effort, though

[AKfanatic]

does Lavine have a 45 in vert? Maybe he does, but we didn’t call MJ Air Jordan for nothing. Lavine can’t hang like that.

I saw them both. Perhaps different eras, there were lots of behemoths on teams in the 90s, but the thing about MJ sticking out like he was moving at a different speed than everyone else was true. Way different speed. And I haven’t seen that relativity since. Derrick Rose could look like that sometimes though.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/zach-lavine-46-inch-vertical-leap-video-lakers-vine/nmkfllkxzni1ki1tojwb6z8h

This article says he registered a 41.5 inch vertical at the combine, but later got to 46 inches in a workout with the Lakers.

both could/can dunk from foul line, for what that's worth. and they're the same height. not sure anyone's ever done it as eloquently as jordan's signature dunk contest effort, though

Nah, Jordan’s just looked like art.

Stills of his dunks are phenomenal

[fleet]

does Lavine have a 45 in vert? Maybe he does, but we didn’t call MJ Air Jordan for nothing. Lavine can’t hang like that.

I saw them both. Perhaps different eras, there were lots of behemoths on teams in the 90s, but the thing about MJ sticking out like he was moving at a different speed than everyone else was true. Way different speed. And I haven’t seen that relativity since. Derrick Rose could look like that sometimes though.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/zach-lavine-46-inch-vertical-leap-video-lakers-vine/nmkfllkxzni1ki1tojwb6z8h

This article says he registered a 41.5 inch vertical at the combine, but later got to 46 inches in a workout with the Lakers.

both could/can dunk from foul line, for what that's worth. and they're the same height. not sure anyone's ever done it as eloquently as jordan's signature dunk contest effort, though

There’s different types of athlete. There’s the Dominique Shawn Kemp, Lebron, and then MJ, Kobe type. I would even throw Steve Nash in there, because true athletes to me are more acrobatics combining grace control and timing along with the power and explosion. Nash didn’t have the power and explosion but he sure had the grace control speed and timing combo to go with the above average athleticism. Point being, I would put Lavine somewhere in between the 2 groups. And MJ in a class by himself with the full set.

[fleet]

Lavine is in between the 2 groups rather than having the full set being in a class by themselves the way Kobe, MJ and Lebron are. Athleticism is more than power jumping, quickness and speed.

[fleet]

Spoiler:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/zach-lavine-46-inch-vertical-leap-video-lakers-vine/nmkfllkxzni1ki1tojwb6z8h

This article says he registered a 41.5 inch vertical at the combine, but later got to 46 inches in a workout with the Lakers.

both could/can dunk from foul line, for what that's worth. and they're the same height. not sure anyone's ever done it as eloquently as jordan's signature dunk contest effort, though

Nah, Jordan’s just looked like art.

Stills of his dunks are phenomenal

Michael was the genetically enhanced dinosaur in Jurassic World. Like a different species.

[AKfanatic]

I remember in highschool practicing for hours the Jordan, go up, spin in contact, toss it over my head, off glass... and 1.

I mastered that damn shot, pulled it off at least once every game. Often times id throw it up, never turn around, and proceed to other end to play D.


And still hear “that’s some lucky bullsh*t”.

Between that and MJ’s pull it out, semi baseline spin, lay-up... I had my go to moves.

Thanks for giving me some highlights MJ.

[2018C3]

I just got to watch the entire first two episodes today. I'm now all caught up.

I have not had cable in years, and my parents do. They were out of town and gave me list a chores, (Bring in the mail, pull up the garbage cans, fix are printer... ext.)

Well I stopped by, and watched the episodes. I got the first one from some clips posted last week, but missed out on he 2nd half. I thought I saw it all, but was mistaken.

[TheFinishSniper]

I just got to watch the entire first two episodes today. I'm now all caught up.

Next two are even better

[2018C3]

I bet they are!

I watched this You tube video this morning and paused it several times to see who was saying what.

Watch on YouTube

Good reaction watch, and you also get to see Scottie shotgun a Bud light.

[Polynice4Pippen]

the Bulls losing in '99 wouldn't hurt MJ's "legacy" any more than the Washington Wizards years did.

depends on how they lost

Kobe got swept in 2011 going for a 3 Peat, Magic lost his last Finals in 5 games, no one cares in regards to their legacies.

[dice]

the Bulls losing in '99 wouldn't hurt MJ's "legacy" any more than the Washington Wizards years did.

depends on how they lost

Kobe got swept in 2011 going for a 3 Peat, Magic lost his last Finals in 5 games, no one cares in regards to their legacies.

neither had the "he was undefeated in the finals!" nonsense working for them

[fleet]

I bet they are!

I watched this You tube video this morning and paused it several times to see who was saying what.

Watch on YouTube

Good reaction watch, and you also get to see Scottie shotgun a Bud light.

Perk

Scottie looked a little wobbly there, a good thing.

[dice]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/zach-lavine-46-inch-vertical-leap-video-lakers-vine/nmkfllkxzni1ki1tojwb6z8h

This article says he registered a 41.5 inch vertical at the combine, but later got to 46 inches in a workout with the Lakers.

both could/can dunk from foul line, for what that's worth. and they're the same height. not sure anyone's ever done it as eloquently as jordan's signature dunk contest effort, though

Nah, Jordan’s just looked like art.

Stills of his dunks are phenomenal

and the signature shot:

[MrSparkle]

You guys think this will fire up the Bulls players to train harder this off-season and play with a bit more toughness and mental purpose? It's been a said a bunch of times, but I forget that our entire roster besides Thad was either not born or too young to remember anything from that last chip, let alone the other five.

Besides Shaq and Arci, the thing that was frustrating was seeing guys with their heads down and playing so soft on-and-off the ball. Watching 90s Bulls footage it's night-and-day with the red uniforms. MJ, the most athletically gifted player, would be completely drenched in sweat and barely able to talk in his post-game interviews. Instead we had our non-gifted chumps laughing during and after losses. Felicio particularly, I don't know how you could possibly keep that guy another year. His effort was an embarrassment. I said it earlier in the season, but Phil, Jordan and Pippen would've made this guy''s life a living hell (and they probably would've unlocked a pretty damn solid NBA center).

Hope AK and this documentary bring the shame out.

That Phil Jackson rule of fining 'silly' 3Ps was genius. Unfortunately our coach seemed to wildly endorse and design this team's shot selection, but I was about ready to puke after Boylen's opening night. The puking never stopped until the last week before COVID cancellations.

[ThreeMileAllan]

I still can't believe Lavine wasn't in the dunk contest. It could have been amazing

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