2020 NFL DRAFT OFFICIAL thread

[CrimsonCrew]

Re: Aiyuk's speed:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-evaluating-on-field-speed-for-henry-ruggs-and-other-top-wide-receiver-prospects/

Looks like he plays faster than he times, but maybe not by all that much. He's certainly not Ruggs out there. In terms of outrunning the competition, it's worth keeping in mind that he's playing against Pac-12 defenders. Not exactly the cream of the crop, generally speaking.

[Bald Bull]

Re: Aiyuk's speed:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-evaluating-on-field-speed-for-henry-ruggs-and-other-top-wide-receiver-prospects/

Looks like he plays faster than he times, but maybe not by all that much. He's certainly not Ruggs out there. In terms of outrunning the competition, it's worth keeping in mind that he's playing against Pac-12 defenders. Not exactly the cream of the crop, generally speaking.

He doesn't need to be Ruggs, Ruggs is a different level of speed. There aren't many who ever played who are as fast as him, but you don't need to be Ruggs to succeed.

I'm just saying he doesn't look 4.5 on film. He's fast enough to create distance between him and the guy chasing him in some of the clips. They say he ran a 4.3 in college.

[NinerSickness]

I've been drowning my sorrows watching Kinlaw, and I really like the dude. Really good hand usage with long arms & power to the punch; that's a deadly combination. If Ford can stay healthy, Niners' DL should still be one of the best in the league again.

Their CB situation sucks, though.

You should have seen the reports on him the week of the senior bowl. He was manhandling every offensive linemen that he went up against.

Yep. They said he was the best player there. Now he doesn’t have to face as many double and triple teams. He should beast.

I honestly think the Niners got the best DT In the draft. I'll try to ignore Ai-Yuck & focus on the great pick at DT.

Nevertheless, the Niners did not load up for another SB run IMO. The tackle situation suck (OT; Staley's getting old), the CB situation sucks, and Richburg's injury is often career-ending. That's why the Niners need to trade some vets for picks IMO.

The only move that might change my mind about that is trading for Trent Williams (which I don't want them to do).

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Doing that to 'Bama's line is impressive.

Edit: Oh wait; that's Georgia. D'oh!

[Jikkle]

In Kyle I trust.
A guy with a huge wingspan and returned punts.

One of the analysts on the radio said that Aiyuk was Shanahan's favorite receiver in the entire draft. I don't know how he knows that or is just guessing, but moving up and giving up 2 valuable picks to get Aiyuk obviously means that Shanahan really wanted him and didn't think he'd be there at 31. Still not sure how we will get a CB, OT and TE with the picks we have left; maybe Lynch can deal Goodwin, Pettis, James and/or Breida for some more picks.[/quote

Chris Simms who is very close friends with Kyle said Kyle thought he was Isaac Bruce or something like that.

Probably not coincidental they jumped the Packers.

Packers had a need at WR and Kyle knows Lafleur is likely going to value WR prospects the same as he does.

So I do think there was a legit reason for the 9ers to believe he wouldn't have been there at 31 but we'll never know.

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How the crap is that guy still gainfully employed covering football?

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That's really misleading. Of course you're going to get clocked as fast when you're running back a kick in your highest gear. There's a place where they all get to kick it into their highest gear (combined with starting burst). It's called the NFL combine.

Aiyuk isn't NFL fast. He has average speed for an NFL receiver. And average size.

He's polished; he runs good routes. He's not a bad player. But at friggn' 25? That was insane.

[NinerSickness]

I've been drowning my sorrows watching Kinlaw, and I really like the dude. Really good hand usage with long arms & power to the punch; that's a deadly combination. If Ford can stay healthy, Niners' DL should still be one of the best in the league again.

Their CB situation sucks, though.

You should have seen the reports on him the week of the senior bowl. He was manhandling every offensive linemen that he went up against.

Yep. They said he was the best player there. Now he doesn’t have to face as many double and triple teams. He should beast.

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This guy's hilariously straightforward. I love it.

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[CrimsonCrew]

Re: Aiyuk's speed:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-evaluating-on-field-speed-for-henry-ruggs-and-other-top-wide-receiver-prospects/

Looks like he plays faster than he times, but maybe not by all that much. He's certainly not Ruggs out there. In terms of outrunning the competition, it's worth keeping in mind that he's playing against Pac-12 defenders. Not exactly the cream of the crop, generally speaking.

He doesn't need to be Ruggs, Ruggs is a different level of speed. There aren't many who ever played who are as fast as him, but you don't need to be Ruggs to succeed.

I'm just saying he doesn't look 4.5 on film. He's fast enough to create distance between him and the guy chasing him in some of the clips. They say he ran a 4.3 in college.

Re-reading my post, it comes off as more negative than I intended. I don't think his 4.5 is indicative, and I think he should be a good fit for our team. My bigger issue is how we're coming out of this round overall, and the fact that we only have three picks remaining. I'm cautiously optimistic about Aiyuk.

Also, I may have been too hard on Shanahan's scouting of WRs last night. Pettis is a headcase, but he can do what Shanahan thought he could on the field. That's more on the GM to find out than on the HC IMO.

[CrimsonCrew]

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Drafting Strahan first isn't the problem. Starting your Madden draft with five consecutive DL is the problem.

Again, I'm not upset about Kinlaw the player. But from DT, he'll have to be a truly special player to contribute more to this team than one of the WRs or OTs. Or CBs.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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Aiyuk isn't NFL fast. He has average speed for an NFL receiver. And average size.

He's polished; he runs good routes. He's not a bad player. But at friggn' 25? That was insane.

Insane is an understatement. Plus that extra pick/s we sacrificed for him could have been used in a trade for Leonard Fournette. Plus I personally don’t believe that he’s better than Higgins or Shenault. Once Ruggs was gone, we panicked — I think we should have stayed Pat with the 31st pick and draft either Trevon Diggs, or Ezra Cleveland.

Wait until day two to draft a wide receiver: Shenault who I think will drop to round 3 or even round 4 due to medical history.

[CrimsonCrew]

One of the analysts on the radio said that Aiyuk was Shanahan's favorite receiver in the entire draft. I don't know how he knows that or is just guessing, but moving up and giving up 2 valuable picks to get Aiyuk obviously means that Shanahan really wanted him and didn't think he'd be there at 31. Still not sure how we will get a CB, OT and TE with the picks we have left; maybe Lynch can deal Goodwin, Pettis, James and/or Breida for some more picks.

Shanahan is an idiot when it comes to rating receivers. He passed up on Christian Kirk for Donte Pettis. He did it again last year when he passed up on A.J. Brown and D.K. Metcalf for Deebo. This year he took Ayuck instead of Laviska Shenault.

Metcalf was a horrible fit for our scheme and QB. He wouldn't have had anything like the year he had with the Hawks if he was on the Niners. The complaint is fair re: Brown, though I think Brown and Samuel are pretty similar. The bigger issue is fixating on a single player. We could have traded back and still gotten Brown. We almost certainly could have gotten Samuel, but we know for sure that Brown would have been there if we traded back to 47. Really would have loved that additional third-round pick such a move would have netted.

That said, I don't mean to defend Shanahan's eye for WR talent. We have spent a second and a fourth in 2018, a second and a third in 2019, and a first, a third, and two fourths in 2020 - eight picks in the first four rounds in less than two years (actual time) - addressing the WR positoin and we basically have Samuel and Aiyuk to show for it. Words cannot describe how brutal that is.

I was wrong above. We also traded a fifth to move up this year. So nine picks to come away with three players at one position. That's absurd.

I realized I've been ranting fairly non-stop, and I'll give it a rest soon. I just wanted to add that a big part of the problem with all the trade ups is that it eliminates your room for error. If we miss on Kinlaw or Aiyuk, we're screwed. Our team will get noticeably worse this season. This year of all years, we should have been moving back. We are in serious trouble next year, and I don't know if our FO gets that. This draft - and we can basically consider it over after day one - doesn't make me confident that they do.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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Kinlaw is a beast. I’m 80% confident that he’s going to pan out being a perennial pro bowler. He looks so much of a Seattle Seahawks type of DT. I’m more happy that he didn’t end up playing for them than anything else.

[CrimsonCrew]

One of the analysts on the radio said that Aiyuk was Shanahan's favorite receiver in the entire draft. I don't know how he knows that or is just guessing, but moving up and giving up 2 valuable picks to get Aiyuk obviously means that Shanahan really wanted him and didn't think he'd be there at 31. Still not sure how we will get a CB, OT and TE with the picks we have left; maybe Lynch can deal Goodwin, Pettis, James and/or Breida for some more picks.[/quote

Chris Simms who is very close friends with Kyle said Kyle thought he was Isaac Bruce or something like that.

Probably not coincidental they jumped the Packers.

Packers had a need at WR and Kyle knows Lafleur is likely going to value WR prospects the same as he does.

So I do think there was a legit reason for the 9ers to believe he wouldn't have been there at 31 but we'll never know.

Yeah, but the Packers took Love, so they weren't going to take Aiyuk. You don't pass on a QB in the first round to take a WR. Especially in a really deep WR draft.

And herein lies the problem with Shanahan and Lynch. They fall in love with a player, and that's the player they HAVE to get. They'll pay any amount (see: Juszczyk or McKinnon), move up as far as it takes. And it's unsustainable. It works when you have 60 million in cap space, and when you turn your first draft pick into four picks (Solomon Thomas trade). It doesn't work when you're up against the cap and only have two picks in the first four rounds.

This FO has had 16 picks in the first four rounds. They have drafted four DL - three in the high first round, despite already having two first-round DL on the roster they inherited. They have drafted four WRs - and traded away additional third and a fourth round pick to move up for two of them. To say nothing of the two picks they gave up for Sanders. They have drafted a punter. It's just insane to spend over half your high-value draft picks effectively on two position groups. There are other areas on the team and they are absolutely screaming for attention. They won't get it this year.