Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[ProspectPark]

Hey guys I know things are frustrating right now with life being a complete **** show and with no basketball to help take our minds off of everything, but we don't have to get at each other's throats over speculation about what will happen.

Do I hate what happened with Kenny? Yes. He helped to bring the Nets back I to relevancy. That being said, if KD and Kyrie weren't vibing with him, and he and Marks weren't on the same page anymore, what can we do?

Am I excited about the prospect of Ty Lue becoming coach? Not really, but he seems to be able to be able to handle big egos and alpha personality players. However, I do think that the fact that he had mental health issues due to the stress he was under in Cleveland which led to him having to be hospitalized is a cause for concern. There is going to be a lot of pressure on the next head coach of this team, so whoever it is will have to be able to handle it.

I absolutely do NOT want Mark Jackson here. He is a fossil in terms of basketball philosophy and on top of that he's a bigot, and an organization like the Nets who prides itself on being an inclusive, welcoming to all types of people organization should not have anything to do with him. There's a reason why he hasn't had a coaching job since the Warriors fired him.

I think we need someone who is a good personality manager that has a good balance between trusting analytical data and knowing when to coach based off the flow of the game. Every game is different and where Kenny got in trouble at times was being inflexible. I trust Marks enough to find the right coach for a team that wants to be a contender

MDB,

Let’s say KD and Kyrie went to the Knicks. Do you think the Knicks were so desperate for stars, they would have given KD and Kyrie whatever they wanted? Like I could see the Knicks front office saying yes to everything. Pick your coach, pick your GM, pick your teammates, we don’t care, we just need you to sign.

Also, do you think if KD and Kyrie signed with NYK, immediately whatever negative image they had in the media would be instantly repaired and they would be seen as the heroes who are going to bring an iconic NBA franchise back to relevance?

Finally do you think KD and Kyrie would make more money in endorsements and sneaker sales if they played for the Knicks?

I just find it weird, that these two star players could have easily gone to the Knicks, improved their image in the media, made way more money, and would have complete autonomy over the franchise...and yet they chose to play for us. Instead of being a little grateful, our own fans are the first to fire shots at them. They sacrificed a lot to come here, yet we call them power hungry and selfish. That’s what’s frustrating.

I'm happy that they are here first of all. I haven't called KD or Kyrie selfish, but I do put some of the onus on Kenny's dismissal on them because if they wanted him here, he would still be here. Kenny was a fan favorite for a lot of us within the fanbase, so I think some of the anger surrounding his dismissal is justified. That being said, it is what it is, I'm over it and I'm ready to move on towards seeing this team compete at a high level for a championship.

I think everyone agrees Kenny is a really good coach.

This was just being in the right place at the wrong time.

If KD and Kyrie were in their early 20’s and we had a 4-5 year window to trial and error our way to a chip, he probably would have been given more time. But, we don’t have 4-5 years. At best we have a year or two, and I don’t blame the front office for wanting to hire someone who has a little bit more experience. I think Kenny himself would agree with that. There is no reason for us to turn on the players, the front office, and the owner, because they made a decision that was 100% understandable.

[vincecarter4pres]

What’s your point? Most of those other players wanted out or had a year left on their deal. Beal doesn’t want out and just signed an extension that hasn’t even started yet.

The rest of your trades are even worse. For example the Pacers just went out of their way to sign Brogdon to a huge long term contract. Why would they do that and then right away downgrade the rest of their roster by trading Oladipo AND Turner?

The whole point for them was to pair Oladipo with Brogdon. Oladipo like Beal is a fan favorite who loves Indiana. He won MIP with the Pacers and blossomed into a superstar in front of their eyes. Does it makes sense to that they will want to trade their franchise player who they developed into a superstar for injury prone inefficient Caris LeVert?

Honestly man none of these trades are even worth responding to.

Oladipo is not a superstar, not even close. He's had a terrible injury and looked like crap this season.

I mean...he looked like crap this season BECAUSE he had a terrible injury and hasn't played enough NBA games to get his legs under him again.

Oladipo was definitely a star in the modern game. While he did improve, he also benefited from the rule "changes" (i.e. the lack of officiating the game properly) that turned the NBA into a spamming of PnR/Pnp/Isolation/DriveNKick and little to no defense.

Oh I like Dipo a lot, don't get me wrong, I'm just saying let's not call him a superstar, he has never been that. There's like 10 superstars or so in the NBA at any given time at absolute max, Imho. I don't know there's ever been a time he was better than the tail end of the top 30, even during his breakout season and definitely not his follow up, very good season where he wasn't as good as the breakout.

Even without the injury, he's a guy I never saw taking that next step, his ceiling to me was like top 20.

Nothing wrong with that, that's a great player, but not a takeover superstar.

[vincecarter4pres]

Hey guys I know things are frustrating right now with life being a complete **** show and with no basketball to help take our minds off of everything, but we don't have to get at each other's throats over speculation about what will happen.

Do I hate what happened with Kenny? Yes. He helped to bring the Nets back I to relevancy. That being said, if KD and Kyrie weren't vibing with him, and he and Marks weren't on the same page anymore, what can we do?

Am I excited about the prospect of Ty Lue becoming coach? Not really, but he seems to be able to be able to handle big egos and alpha personality players. However, I do think that the fact that he had mental health issues due to the stress he was under in Cleveland which led to him having to be hospitalized is a cause for concern. There is going to be a lot of pressure on the next head coach of this team, so whoever it is will have to be able to handle it.

I absolutely do NOT want Mark Jackson here. He is a fossil in terms of basketball philosophy and on top of that he's a bigot, and an organization like the Nets who prides itself on being an inclusive, welcoming to all types of people organization should not have anything to do with him. There's a reason why he hasn't had a coaching job since the Warriors fired him.

I think we need someone who is a good personality manager that has a good balance between trusting analytical data and knowing when to coach based off the flow of the game. Every game is different and where Kenny got in trouble at times was being inflexible. I trust Marks enough to find the right coach for a team that wants to be a contender

Hey guys I know things are frustrating right now with life being a complete **** show and with no basketball to help take our minds off of everything, but we don't have to get at each other's throats over speculation about what will happen.

Do I hate what happened with Kenny? Yes. He helped to bring the Nets back I to relevancy. That being said, if KD and Kyrie weren't vibing with him, and he and Marks weren't on the same page anymore, what can we do?

Am I excited about the prospect of Ty Lue becoming coach? Not really, but he seems to be able to be able to handle big egos and alpha personality players. However, I do think that the fact that he had mental health issues due to the stress he was under in Cleveland which led to him having to be hospitalized is a cause for concern. There is going to be a lot of pressure on the next head coach of this team, so whoever it is will have to be able to handle it.

I absolutely do NOT want Mark Jackson here. He is a fossil in terms of basketball philosophy and on top of that he's a bigot, and an organization like the Nets who prides itself on being an inclusive, welcoming to all types of people organization should not have anything to do with him. There's a reason why he hasn't had a coaching job since the Warriors fired him.

I think we need someone who is a good personality manager that has a good balance between trusting analytical data and knowing when to coach based off the flow of the game. Every game is different and where Kenny got in trouble at times was being inflexible. I trust Marks enough to find the right coach for a team that wants to be a contender

Yeah i dont really get the point of going at people so aggressively in a small community during a pandemic but the internet is a strange place. Bunch of weirdos.

My apologies to participating in the nonsense, but sometimes people get me aggravated quick. I'm not a turn the other cheek forever guy. It's only the internet, not trying to make it that deep or be on some corny tough guy ****, nor take my own opinion that seriously, I'm just saying 2, 3... 4 times I bite my tongue, eventually you keep being a disrespectful douche for no reason, I'm eventually going to simply say **** you. That's all really.

[MGrand15]

Hey guys I know things are frustrating right now with life being a complete **** show and with no basketball to help take our minds off of everything, but we don't have to get at each other's throats over speculation about what will happen.

Do I hate what happened with Kenny? Yes. He helped to bring the Nets back I to relevancy. That being said, if KD and Kyrie weren't vibing with him, and he and Marks weren't on the same page anymore, what can we do?

Am I excited about the prospect of Ty Lue becoming coach? Not really, but he seems to be able to be able to handle big egos and alpha personality players. However, I do think that the fact that he had mental health issues due to the stress he was under in Cleveland which led to him having to be hospitalized is a cause for concern. There is going to be a lot of pressure on the next head coach of this team, so whoever it is will have to be able to handle it.

I absolutely do NOT want Mark Jackson here. He is a fossil in terms of basketball philosophy and on top of that he's a bigot, and an organization like the Nets who prides itself on being an inclusive, welcoming to all types of people organization should not have anything to do with him. There's a reason why he hasn't had a coaching job since the Warriors fired him.

I think we need someone who is a good personality manager that has a good balance between trusting analytical data and knowing when to coach based off the flow of the game. Every game is different and where Kenny got in trouble at times was being inflexible. I trust Marks enough to find the right coach for a team that wants to be a contender

Yeah i dont really get the point of going at people so aggressively in a small community during a pandemic but the internet is a strange place. Bunch of weirdos.

I like Ty Lue actually. I think he gets a lot of flack because LBJ was really toxic around that time. And just to be real - not accusing you of this but more the general public - if he looked like Brad Stevens, I think the perception around him would be COMPLETELY different.

I'm not worried about the mental health stuff. By all accounts, he got into trouble because he's literally thinking about basketball 24/7. This is going to be a tough team to coach with literally the 2 moodiest cranky stars in the league. But so was Cleveland. People remember the Finals appearances and think it was all chill but those teams went through crazy turmoil and in-fighting every single year.

Who knows if Kyrie will actually give the team the green light to sign him though. Didn't seem like they had a good relationship.

People go at you because you habitually spam this board with constant idiotic statements. You are never able to back up anything. Just like your Mark Jackson prediction where you said other than Lue, Mark Jackson IS THE ONLY OTHER OPTION. Just constant whining and bitching from you all season.

Example above. Calling KD and Kyrie moody and cranky. Again, I keep asking you this. Are you around them everyday? Are you in the locker room? Any evidence to back this up? Why does every teammate Kyrie has ever had speak highly of him? Why did the players just vote Kyrie into a leadership position in the players union?

All you do is spam this board with constant cheap shots at our players. Everyone sucks. Our culture is gone. There’s tension in the locker room. We’re not building the right way. Ok, no one is forcing you to be a fan of this team.

You STILL haven't brought up any other legitimate coaching candidates. The list floating out there includes the 2 I mentioned + JVG (never happening) + Jason Kidd (I don't see it at all). I also said current assistant coaches are options.

So who else do you think is legitimately in the running???

Again - you're acting like what I'm saying about Kyrie or KD is outrageous. Which star is moodier than they are? These are 2 guys that stopped talking to their teammates and coaches in the middle of championship seasons. I don't care about their moods as long as they can play. It's just common knowledge. The coach needs to be able to handle that.

Are you even an actual fan of the team? You only popped up around here when KD signed. Acting like all I do is bash the players here and spam the board is hilarious. That's just way off. Not even close. And no one goes at me except the occasional weirdo like you.

[ProspectPark]

Yeah i dont really get the point of going at people so aggressively in a small community during a pandemic but the internet is a strange place. Bunch of weirdos.

I like Ty Lue actually. I think he gets a lot of flack because LBJ was really toxic around that time. And just to be real - not accusing you of this but more the general public - if he looked like Brad Stevens, I think the perception around him would be COMPLETELY different.

I'm not worried about the mental health stuff. By all accounts, he got into trouble because he's literally thinking about basketball 24/7. This is going to be a tough team to coach with literally the 2 moodiest cranky stars in the league. But so was Cleveland. People remember the Finals appearances and think it was all chill but those teams went through crazy turmoil and in-fighting every single year.

Who knows if Kyrie will actually give the team the green light to sign him though. Didn't seem like they had a good relationship.

People go at you because you habitually spam this board with constant idiotic statements. You are never able to back up anything. Just like your Mark Jackson prediction where you said other than Lue, Mark Jackson IS THE ONLY OTHER OPTION. Just constant whining and bitching from you all season.

Example above. Calling KD and Kyrie moody and cranky. Again, I keep asking you this. Are you around them everyday? Are you in the locker room? Any evidence to back this up? Why does every teammate Kyrie has ever had speak highly of him? Why did the players just vote Kyrie into a leadership position in the players union?

All you do is spam this board with constant cheap shots at our players. Everyone sucks. Our culture is gone. There’s tension in the locker room. We’re not building the right way. Ok, no one is forcing you to be a fan of this team.

You STILL haven't brought up any other legitimate coaching candidates. The list floating out there includes the 2 I mentioned + JVG (never happening) + Jason Kidd (I don't see it at all). I also said current assistant coaches are options.

So who else do you think is legitimately in the running???

Again - you're acting like what I'm saying about Kyrie or KD is outrageous. Which star is moodier than they are? These are 2 guys that stopped talking to their teammates and coaches in the middle of championship seasons. I don't care about their moods as long as they can play. It's just common knowledge. The coach needs to be able to handle that.

Are you even an actual fan of the team? You only popped up around here when KD signed. Acting like all I do is bash the players here and spam the board is hilarious. That's just way off. Not even close. And no one goes at me except the occasional weirdo like you.

Initially you predicted it could only be Ty Lue or Mark Jackson. You were adamant those were the only two options. Don’t change your story now and pretend like you also included assistant coaches.

There’s tons of candidates. Adam Harrington, Phil Handy, Adrian Griffin, Coach Pop, MDA, Ty Lue, Jacques Vaughn, You just wanted to attach more doom and gloom to the situation by making it seem like KD and Kyrie are such awful human beings that if they can’t get Ty Lue, then Mark Jackson is the only other coach they would want to play for. When in reality, there is zero evidence to support that.

Everyone knows Mark Jackson would be the worst option we could go with. It would infuriate the fan base if we even gave Mark Jackson an interview. So of course, someone like you who has a problem with KD and a Kyrie, would use that to exaggerate how bad the situation is, and say that not only is Mark Jackson a possibility, but he’s somehow the only other possibility.

You’re trying to create a narrative that the inmates are running the asylum. You said with certainty, that there will be drastic changes and no one has earned the respect of our stars. If KD and Kyrie had a history of doing that, then yea I would see your point. But in both of their careers, they’ve never had a coach fired or teammate traded. Also Joe Tsai and Sean Marks are not some Dan Gilbert / David Griffin type that breed toxicity. I don’t see them rolling over and going against their better judgement for anyone.

We are in good shape. There is no need to take cheap shots at our players or front office. Last I checked, all our core players (Dinwiddie, LeVert, Harris, Allen, Rodi, Claxton, and Musa) are still here. We found two more diamonds in the rough in TLC and Chiozza. We still have all our picks. We have great veteran leadership with Temple and DJ. Joe Harris is on record saying he wants to finish his career in Brooklyn. If a trade becomes available we have the contracts to make the salaries match. Fearmongering and making it seem like everyone is going to get traded, and Mark Jackson will be the new coach, and Sean Marks is just a puppet now, is way over the top, unnecessary, and not based on reality.

[ProspectPark]

I think we all have to assume that the old way of doing things is completely dead. KD and Ky are running things and Marks is gonna pull the trigger on whatever they want to do. The cute stuff about building a team the right way and staying flexible is gone.

I think Joe and JA are 100% gone. LeVert might've done enough to earn the respect of the vets with his stretch at the end but he's probably out too. Prince, Rodi, Musa - 1000% gone. Claxton is a toss up. All our draft picks are on the table.

If this was a regular year, I think Covington would've been available again this off-season. I think we really focus on beefing up on big wings that can either shoot or defend. I wouldn't be surprised if we start going after real PFs again. It all depends on who the stars like. I could see us going after guys like Aaron Gordon. Older guys like Ariza, Crowder, Rudy Gay. I don't think KD wants to play with another legit star. Just wants roleplayers who won't screw up so him and Kyrie can shine.

The rotation locks are:

Kyrie
Dinwiddie
Temple
KD
DJ

The team is gonna look drastically different. All this stuff about waiting for development is over.

Ty Lue is probably the best option as a coach for this squad. He's dealt with big egos, divas, and Kyrie before. He has proven playoff experience. He's well respected around the league.

The only other option I see is Mark Jackson - which would make me stop following the team - or some random assistant who KD and Kyrie hand pick.

[MGrand15]

People go at you because you habitually spam this board with constant idiotic statements. You are never able to back up anything. Just like your Mark Jackson prediction where you said other than Lue, Mark Jackson IS THE ONLY OTHER OPTION. Just constant whining and bitching from you all season.

Example above. Calling KD and Kyrie moody and cranky. Again, I keep asking you this. Are you around them everyday? Are you in the locker room? Any evidence to back this up? Why does every teammate Kyrie has ever had speak highly of him? Why did the players just vote Kyrie into a leadership position in the players union?

All you do is spam this board with constant cheap shots at our players. Everyone sucks. Our culture is gone. There’s tension in the locker room. We’re not building the right way. Ok, no one is forcing you to be a fan of this team.

You STILL haven't brought up any other legitimate coaching candidates. The list floating out there includes the 2 I mentioned + JVG (never happening) + Jason Kidd (I don't see it at all). I also said current assistant coaches are options.

So who else do you think is legitimately in the running???

Again - you're acting like what I'm saying about Kyrie or KD is outrageous. Which star is moodier than they are? These are 2 guys that stopped talking to their teammates and coaches in the middle of championship seasons. I don't care about their moods as long as they can play. It's just common knowledge. The coach needs to be able to handle that.

Are you even an actual fan of the team? You only popped up around here when KD signed. Acting like all I do is bash the players here and spam the board is hilarious. That's just way off. Not even close. And no one goes at me except the occasional weirdo like you.

Initially you predicted it could only be Ty Lue or Mark Jackson. You were adamant those were the only two options. Don’t change your story now and pretend like you also included assistant coaches.

There’s tons of candidates. Adam Harrington, Phil Handy, Adrian Griffin, Coach Pop, MDA, Ty Lue, Jacques Vaughn, You just wanted to attach more doom and gloom to the situation by making it seem like KD and Kyrie are such awful human beings that if they can’t get Ty Lue, then Mark Jackson is the only other coach they would want to play for. When in reality, there is zero evidence to support that.

Everyone knows Mark Jackson would be the worst option we could go with. It would infuriate the fan base if we even gave Mark Jackson an interview. So of course, someone like you who has a problem with KD and a Kyrie, would use that to exaggerate how bad the situation is, and say that not only is Mark Jackson a possibility, but he’s somehow the only other possibility.

You’re trying to create a narrative that the inmates are running the asylum. You said with certainty, that there will be drastic changes and no one has earned the respect of our stars. If KD and Kyrie had a history of doing that, then yea I would see your point. But in both of their careers, they’ve never had a coach fired or teammate traded. Also Joe Tsai and Sean Marks are not some Dan Gilbert / David Griffin type that breed toxicity. I don’t see them rolling over and going against their better judgement for anyone.

We are in good shape. There is no need to take cheap shots at our players or front office. Last I checked, all our core players (Dinwiddie, LeVert, Harris, Allen, Rodi, Claxton, and Musa) are still here. We found two more diamonds in the rough in TLC and Chiozza. We still have all our picks. We have great veteran leadership with Temple and DJ. Joe Harris is on record saying he wants to finish his career in Brooklyn. If a trade becomes available we have the contracts to make the salaries match. Fearmongering and making it seem like everyone is going to get traded, and Mark Jackson will be the new coach, and Sean Marks is just a puppet now, is way over the top, unnecessary, and not based on reality.

The post you quoted mentions assistant coaches as an option I included Literally the only thing you didn't bold in my post.

Yes, all of our core players are still here. The season isn't over yet. They're under contract. No one can be traded. This is a prediction thread. If you don't want to discuss the future of the team or the offseason, you can go to another thread.

And you better keep that Mark Jackson energy up. He's already on the short list being floated out by the media. With the respect he has with current players, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he got an interview. I'm sure you'll be ready to dance around the subject if it happens.

I never said we're not in good shape. We have two stars. And Dinwiddie, LeVert, and JA. Plus solid roleplayers. I still stand by everything I said in that post. Nothing I said is out of left field or would even be surprising if it happened in the off-season. If it scared you or hurt your feelings, that's on you.

[MrDollarBills]

MDB,

Let’s say KD and Kyrie went to the Knicks. Do you think the Knicks were so desperate for stars, they would have given KD and Kyrie whatever they wanted? Like I could see the Knicks front office saying yes to everything. Pick your coach, pick your GM, pick your teammates, we don’t care, we just need you to sign.

Also, do you think if KD and Kyrie signed with NYK, immediately whatever negative image they had in the media would be instantly repaired and they would be seen as the heroes who are going to bring an iconic NBA franchise back to relevance?

Finally do you think KD and Kyrie would make more money in endorsements and sneaker sales if they played for the Knicks?

I just find it weird, that these two star players could have easily gone to the Knicks, improved their image in the media, made way more money, and would have complete autonomy over the franchise...and yet they chose to play for us. Instead of being a little grateful, our own fans are the first to fire shots at them. They sacrificed a lot to come here, yet we call them power hungry and selfish. That’s what’s frustrating.

I'm happy that they are here first of all. I haven't called KD or Kyrie selfish, but I do put some of the onus on Kenny's dismissal on them because if they wanted him here, he would still be here. Kenny was a fan favorite for a lot of us within the fanbase, so I think some of the anger surrounding his dismissal is justified. That being said, it is what it is, I'm over it and I'm ready to move on towards seeing this team compete at a high level for a championship.

I think everyone agrees Kenny is a really good coach.

This was just being in the right place at the wrong time.

If KD and Kyrie were in their early 20’s and we had a 4-5 year window to trial and error our way to a chip, he probably would have been given more time. But, we don’t have 4-5 years. At best we have a year or two, and I don’t blame the front office for wanting to hire someone who has a little bit more experience. I think Kenny himself would agree with that. There is no reason for us to turn on the players, the front office, and the owner, because they made a decision that was 100% understandable.

I agree, as much as I love Kenny, we really don't have a lot of time here

I understand why the move was made, and I'm not turning on the players. I'm just being honest when I say I believe Marks is going to try to overhaul this roster in a way that might upset folks who have grown attached to our guys who helped to bring the excitement back. I've already resigned myself to the fact that Allen, Caris, and Joe are probably gone

[MrDollarBills]

Hey guys I know things are frustrating right now with life being a complete **** show and with no basketball to help take our minds off of everything, but we don't have to get at each other's throats over speculation about what will happen.

Do I hate what happened with Kenny? Yes. He helped to bring the Nets back I to relevancy. That being said, if KD and Kyrie weren't vibing with him, and he and Marks weren't on the same page anymore, what can we do?

Am I excited about the prospect of Ty Lue becoming coach? Not really, but he seems to be able to be able to handle big egos and alpha personality players. However, I do think that the fact that he had mental health issues due to the stress he was under in Cleveland which led to him having to be hospitalized is a cause for concern. There is going to be a lot of pressure on the next head coach of this team, so whoever it is will have to be able to handle it.

I absolutely do NOT want Mark Jackson here. He is a fossil in terms of basketball philosophy and on top of that he's a bigot, and an organization like the Nets who prides itself on being an inclusive, welcoming to all types of people organization should not have anything to do with him. There's a reason why he hasn't had a coaching job since the Warriors fired him.

I think we need someone who is a good personality manager that has a good balance between trusting analytical data and knowing when to coach based off the flow of the game. Every game is different and where Kenny got in trouble at times was being inflexible. I trust Marks enough to find the right coach for a team that wants to be a contender

Hey guys I know things are frustrating right now with life being a complete **** show and with no basketball to help take our minds off of everything, but we don't have to get at each other's throats over speculation about what will happen.

Do I hate what happened with Kenny? Yes. He helped to bring the Nets back I to relevancy. That being said, if KD and Kyrie weren't vibing with him, and he and Marks weren't on the same page anymore, what can we do?

Am I excited about the prospect of Ty Lue becoming coach? Not really, but he seems to be able to be able to handle big egos and alpha personality players. However, I do think that the fact that he had mental health issues due to the stress he was under in Cleveland which led to him having to be hospitalized is a cause for concern. There is going to be a lot of pressure on the next head coach of this team, so whoever it is will have to be able to handle it.

I absolutely do NOT want Mark Jackson here. He is a fossil in terms of basketball philosophy and on top of that he's a bigot, and an organization like the Nets who prides itself on being an inclusive, welcoming to all types of people organization should not have anything to do with him. There's a reason why he hasn't had a coaching job since the Warriors fired him.

I think we need someone who is a good personality manager that has a good balance between trusting analytical data and knowing when to coach based off the flow of the game. Every game is different and where Kenny got in trouble at times was being inflexible. I trust Marks enough to find the right coach for a team that wants to be a contender

Yeah i dont really get the point of going at people so aggressively in a small community during a pandemic but the internet is a strange place. Bunch of weirdos.

My apologies to participating in the nonsense, but sometimes people get me aggravated quick. I'm not a turn the other cheek forever guy. It's only the internet, not trying to make it that deep or be on some corny tough guy ****, nor take my own opinion that seriously, I'm just saying 2, 3... 4 times I bite my tongue, eventually you keep being a disrespectful douche for no reason, I'm eventually going to simply say **** you. That's all really.

You know I'm quick to cuss someone out, but in light of how things are right now I was just trying to steer things back towards basketball talk. Real life is already negative where all of us are literally in constant fear for our lives and loved ones that I understand why things could get nasty quickly, so I wanted to try to help keep the conversation positive and constructive

[NyCeEvO]

I'm happy that they are here first of all. I haven't called KD or Kyrie selfish, but I do put some of the onus on Kenny's dismissal on them because if they wanted him here, he would still be here. Kenny was a fan favorite for a lot of us within the fanbase, so I think some of the anger surrounding his dismissal is justified. That being said, it is what it is, I'm over it and I'm ready to move on towards seeing this team compete at a high level for a championship.

I think everyone agrees Kenny is a really good coach.

This was just being in the right place at the wrong time.

If KD and Kyrie were in their early 20’s and we had a 4-5 year window to trial and error our way to a chip, he probably would have been given more time. But, we don’t have 4-5 years. At best we have a year or two, and I don’t blame the front office for wanting to hire someone who has a little bit more experience. I think Kenny himself would agree with that. There is no reason for us to turn on the players, the front office, and the owner, because they made a decision that was 100% understandable.

I agree, as much as I love Kenny, we really don't have a lot of time here

I understand why the move was made, and I'm not turning on the players. I'm just being honest when I say I believe Marks is going to try to overhaul this roster in a way that might upset folks who have grown attached to our guys who helped to bring the excitement back. I've already resigned myself to the fact that Allen, Caris, and Joe are probably gone

I already had a dream that Caris was traded to another team. I think it was a team in Cali but I can't remember.

I'm already prepping myself for the news.

[vincecarter4pres]

Hey guys I know things are frustrating right now with life being a complete **** show and with no basketball to help take our minds off of everything, but we don't have to get at each other's throats over speculation about what will happen.

Do I hate what happened with Kenny? Yes. He helped to bring the Nets back I to relevancy. That being said, if KD and Kyrie weren't vibing with him, and he and Marks weren't on the same page anymore, what can we do?

Am I excited about the prospect of Ty Lue becoming coach? Not really, but he seems to be able to be able to handle big egos and alpha personality players. However, I do think that the fact that he had mental health issues due to the stress he was under in Cleveland which led to him having to be hospitalized is a cause for concern. There is going to be a lot of pressure on the next head coach of this team, so whoever it is will have to be able to handle it.

I absolutely do NOT want Mark Jackson here. He is a fossil in terms of basketball philosophy and on top of that he's a bigot, and an organization like the Nets who prides itself on being an inclusive, welcoming to all types of people organization should not have anything to do with him. There's a reason why he hasn't had a coaching job since the Warriors fired him.

I think we need someone who is a good personality manager that has a good balance between trusting analytical data and knowing when to coach based off the flow of the game. Every game is different and where Kenny got in trouble at times was being inflexible. I trust Marks enough to find the right coach for a team that wants to be a contender

Yeah i dont really get the point of going at people so aggressively in a small community during a pandemic but the internet is a strange place. Bunch of weirdos.

My apologies to participating in the nonsense, but sometimes people get me aggravated quick. I'm not a turn the other cheek forever guy. It's only the internet, not trying to make it that deep or be on some corny tough guy ****, nor take my own opinion that seriously, I'm just saying 2, 3... 4 times I bite my tongue, eventually you keep being a disrespectful douche for no reason, I'm eventually going to simply say **** you. That's all really.

You know I'm quick to cuss someone out, but in light of how things are right now I was just trying to steer things back towards basketball talk. Real life is already negative where all of us are literally in constant fear for our lives and loved ones that I understand why things could get nasty quickly, so I wanted to try to help keep the conversation positive and constructive

No I know man and agree, in these times it's even more important then ever to take a step back before just reacting out of emotion. A lot of people are likely all pent up and ready to snap, it does no good to add to that cloud of negativity and dismay as an in general, just for everyone, whether the person you are specifically responding to is on their last nerve or happens to be an everyday a$$hole, especially when it's not clear to begin with.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think everyone agrees Kenny is a really good coach.

This was just being in the right place at the wrong time.

If KD and Kyrie were in their early 20’s and we had a 4-5 year window to trial and error our way to a chip, he probably would have been given more time. But, we don’t have 4-5 years. At best we have a year or two, and I don’t blame the front office for wanting to hire someone who has a little bit more experience. I think Kenny himself would agree with that. There is no reason for us to turn on the players, the front office, and the owner, because they made a decision that was 100% understandable.

I agree, as much as I love Kenny, we really don't have a lot of time here

I understand why the move was made, and I'm not turning on the players. I'm just being honest when I say I believe Marks is going to try to overhaul this roster in a way that might upset folks who have grown attached to our guys who helped to bring the excitement back. I've already resigned myself to the fact that Allen, Caris, and Joe are probably gone

I already had a dream that Caris was traded to another team. I think it was a team in Cali but I can't remember.

I'm already prepping myself for the news.

Hmm...

Won't be the Clippers.

Probably not the Lakers.

Maybe GSW blows it up for Klay?

Buddy Heild?



Maybe it was just far West Coast?

Booker?

McCollum?

Donovan Mitchell?



Maybe it was just a warm weather team?

Durant waxed on poetic about Vucevic 2 or 3 times this year on Twitter while he watched Orlando. I've mainly been keeping this one in my pocket, but every time someone brings up Gordon, all I'm thinking is KD really wants Vuce from Orlando and how the fans will go wild.

Vucevic and Terrence Ross for Jarrett Allen, Prince, LeVert, Temple and Musa?

Vucevic and Gordon for Allen, Dinwiddie, Prince, Temple and Musa?

[MrDollarBills]

I agree, as much as I love Kenny, we really don't have a lot of time here

I understand why the move was made, and I'm not turning on the players. I'm just being honest when I say I believe Marks is going to try to overhaul this roster in a way that might upset folks who have grown attached to our guys who helped to bring the excitement back. I've already resigned myself to the fact that Allen, Caris, and Joe are probably gone

I already had a dream that Caris was traded to another team. I think it was a team in Cali but I can't remember.

I'm already prepping myself for the news.

Hmm...

Won't be the Clippers.

Probably not the Lakers.

Maybe GSW blows it up for Klay?

Buddy Heild?



Maybe it was just far West Coast?

Booker?

McCollum?

Donovan Mitchell?



Maybe it was just a warm weather team?

Durant waxed on poetic about Vucevic 2 or 3 times this year on Twitter while he watched Orlando. I've mainly been keeping this one in my pocket, but every time someone brings up Gordon, all I'm thinking is KD really wants Vuce from Orlando and how the fans will go wild.

Vucevic and Terrence Ross for Jarrett Allen, Prince, LeVert, Temple and Musa?

Vucevic and Gordon for Allen, Dinwiddie, Prince, Temple and Musa?

That's a lot of cash to tie up into the center spot but we need someone at the 5 who can space the floor.

[ProspectPark]

I'm happy that they are here first of all. I haven't called KD or Kyrie selfish, but I do put some of the onus on Kenny's dismissal on them because if they wanted him here, he would still be here. Kenny was a fan favorite for a lot of us within the fanbase, so I think some of the anger surrounding his dismissal is justified. That being said, it is what it is, I'm over it and I'm ready to move on towards seeing this team compete at a high level for a championship.

I think everyone agrees Kenny is a really good coach.

This was just being in the right place at the wrong time.

If KD and Kyrie were in their early 20’s and we had a 4-5 year window to trial and error our way to a chip, he probably would have been given more time. But, we don’t have 4-5 years. At best we have a year or two, and I don’t blame the front office for wanting to hire someone who has a little bit more experience. I think Kenny himself would agree with that. There is no reason for us to turn on the players, the front office, and the owner, because they made a decision that was 100% understandable.

I agree, as much as I love Kenny, we really don't have a lot of time here

I understand why the move was made, and I'm not turning on the players. I'm just being honest when I say I believe Marks is going to try to overhaul this roster in a way that might upset folks who have grown attached to our guys who helped to bring the excitement back. I've already resigned myself to the fact that Allen, Caris, and Joe are probably gone

Check out this interview which was posted two weeks ago. Caris LeVert talks about his relationship with KD and Kyrie.

Watch on YouTube

Does this sound like someone who has been alienated by our stars? Is there even one time in Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving’s career where they’ve gone behind a teammate’s back and had them traded? Why would they start now?

Just a reminder of how good Caris LeVert can be:

Watch on YouTube

LeVert is not going anywhere. Neither is Joe or JA. Don’t listen to the Debbie Downers on this board.

[NyCeEvO]

I think everyone agrees Kenny is a really good coach.

This was just being in the right place at the wrong time.

If KD and Kyrie were in their early 20’s and we had a 4-5 year window to trial and error our way to a chip, he probably would have been given more time. But, we don’t have 4-5 years. At best we have a year or two, and I don’t blame the front office for wanting to hire someone who has a little bit more experience. I think Kenny himself would agree with that. There is no reason for us to turn on the players, the front office, and the owner, because they made a decision that was 100% understandable.

I agree, as much as I love Kenny, we really don't have a lot of time here

I understand why the move was made, and I'm not turning on the players. I'm just being honest when I say I believe Marks is going to try to overhaul this roster in a way that might upset folks who have grown attached to our guys who helped to bring the excitement back. I've already resigned myself to the fact that Allen, Caris, and Joe are probably gone

Check out this interview which was posted two weeks ago. Caris LeVert talks about his relationship with KD and Kyrie.

Watch on YouTube

Does this sound like someone who has been alienated by our stars? Is there even one time in Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving’s career where they’ve gone behind a teammate’s back and had them traded? Why would they start now?

Just a reminder of how good Caris LeVert can be:

Watch on YouTube

LeVert is not going anywhere. Neither is Joe or JA. Don’t listen to the Debbie Downers on this board.

I don't think anyone (at least no one on the board I've come across) has suggested that KD or Kyrie want to get rid of any one particular player or several players for no reason. It's more that if the Nets want to assemble the best team possible to win the title and management has trade options to obtain another great player by trading away guys like Caris, Spencer, or other young guys, they would make that trade.

Levert has been my favorite since the day he was drafted. Yet, I don't think the Nets have more seasons to waste to see whether LeVert can remain healthy. If there's a deal we can get a clear cut better and healthier player by having a trade centered around Leveret and Allen, I think the Nets would do it.

Also, I find it interesting that you understand that the Nets probably removed Kenny because he wasn't a 'win now' coach who can manage superstar egos, but don't think the Nets wouldn't trade some of our other players for better/'win now' players who can help us to better capitalize on our short window of contention.

Most board members genuinely like and are attached to our players (and one could argue, to a fault). We're not hoping that the team trades them away; we just think that can be collateral for any deal that brings in better players.

With that said, I've never suspected a drastic overhaul of the roster; and it's not because I don't think Marks doesn't want to trade for better players, but rather because I don't see many big trade opportunities for us given our roster and salary construction.

[ProspectPark]

I agree, as much as I love Kenny, we really don't have a lot of time here

I understand why the move was made, and I'm not turning on the players. I'm just being honest when I say I believe Marks is going to try to overhaul this roster in a way that might upset folks who have grown attached to our guys who helped to bring the excitement back. I've already resigned myself to the fact that Allen, Caris, and Joe are probably gone

Check out this interview which was posted two weeks ago. Caris LeVert talks about his relationship with KD and Kyrie.

Watch on YouTube

Does this sound like someone who has been alienated by our stars? Is there even one time in Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving’s career where they’ve gone behind a teammate’s back and had them traded? Why would they start now?

Just a reminder of how good Caris LeVert can be:

Watch on YouTube

LeVert is not going anywhere. Neither is Joe or JA. Don’t listen to the Debbie Downers on this board.

I don't think anyone (at least no one on the board I've come across) has suggested that KD or Kyrie want to get rid of any one particular player or several players for no reason. It's more that if the Nets want to assemble the best team possible to win the title and management has trade options to obtain another great player by trading away guys like Caris, Spencer, or other young guys, they would make that trade.

Levert has been my favorite since the day he was drafted. Yet, I don't think the Nets have more seasons to waste to see whether LeVert can remain healthy. If there's a deal we can get a clear cut better and healthier player by having a trade centered around Leveret and Allen, I think the Nets would do it.

Also, I find it interesting that you understand that the Nets probably removed Kenny because he wasn't a 'win now' coach who can manage superstar egos, but don't think the Nets wouldn't trade some of our other players for better/'win now' players who can help us to better capitalize on our short window of contention.

Most board members genuinely like and are attached to our players (and one could argue, to a fault). We're not hoping that the team trades them away; we just think that can be collateral for any deal that brings in better players.

With that said, I've never suspected a drastic overhaul of the roster; and it's not because I don't think Marks doesn't want to trade for better players, but rather because I don't see many big trade opportunities for us given our roster and salary construction.

In post #566, I quoted and highlighted a post from someone on this board who rambled on and on about how KD and Kyrie are running things now. This entire post implied that KD and Kyrie, with the snap of their fingers are going to have pretty much the entire roster traded. They will install a puppet coach, and Marks and Tsai are just going to roll over on every demand.

I feel like there’s this narrative being built where people think KD and Kyrie are trying to flex their power within the organization and had Kenny fired. A reasonable argument can be made that Kenny was just in the right place at the wrong time. To turn on the entire franchise, attack our players and front office for this decision is a bit unfair. I just find it hilarious that we pick and choose which reports to believe. If there are reports attacking KD and a Kyrie, we believe those reports. When Sean Marks himself says that him and Kenny were having philosophical differences for months, then we ignore our own GM because it doesn’t fit a narrative that some of us are trying to create.

In terms of your win/now moves and Kenny Atkinson. I’m not against making some sort of win now move, but it has to make sense. If there is a trade out there that genuinely fills a need and brings us closer to a championship, then of course we should make that trade. Although, like you said, there aren’t many trade opportunities available. That magical upgrade over LeVert or Prince doesn’t exist. That player is not on the market. There’s a lot of big names that have been mentioned, but they either they don’t play defense, make way too much money for what we need from them, or have injury concerns.

For what we need LeVert is more than enough as a 3rd or 4th option on a championship contender. The amount of firepower we have between Harris, LeVert, Dinwiddie, and Prince next to Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving is as good as it gets in the NBA. We actually can afford to be patient with LeVert and let him develop even further similar to how Siakam and FVV won a championship last year with the Raptors, but are still continuing to get better. LeVert won’t have the daily pressure of having to play well in order for us to win.

The roster upgrades aren’t available. The players KD and Kyrie like and have built relationships with are already here. Not sure what drastic changes people are expecting.

[MrDollarBills]

I didn't imply that KD and Kyrie want LeVert traded. LeVert is a legitimate asset on a deal that can be used to bring in another big name player. I don't think Marks is making anyone untouchable here.

I expect a lot of movement this offseason for the Nets. I could be wrong, but I don't see us going into the next season without some upgrades.

[Prado]

I'm not exactly sure why but i feel the want to see KAT play for his hometown team someday, wc of course is the nets.

He was from NJ, yes, but the team's relocation in Brooklyn doesn't make it that too far from there.

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[DarkXaero]

I'm not exactly sure why but i feel the want to see KAT play for his hometown team someday, wc of course is the nets.

He was from NJ, yes, but the team's relocation in Brooklyn doesn't make it that too far from there.

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He grew up a Knicks fan.

[Prado]

I'm not exactly sure why but i feel the want to see KAT play for his hometown team someday, wc of course is the nets.

He was from NJ, yes, but the team's relocation in Brooklyn doesn't make it that too far from there.

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He grew up a Knicks fan.

Yeah but too bad the knicks are a laughingstock nowadays.