Packers First Round - Jordan Love - POLL ADDED

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[Ill-yasova]

Wait, this guy got arrested for doing the weed?!?!? Serious character issue there! 2/10, would not draft.

[JayMKE]

I don't think a raw QB prospect like Love should be a 1st round pick let alone one you trade up for, can't read coverages and very poor decision making but hey he can throw it deep on the run OOF! Maybe during these 3 years he'll learn to play QB, sitting on the bench will make him better I'm sure.

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Yes I've watched his 2018 highlight reel like everybody else but wasn't very impressed, I see that he has a big arm but not much else going for him. I was expecting more plays with his feet but he really doesn't seem like much of a runner and barely moves his feet at all actually, I'd like to see him take some snaps under center and what he does when his first guy isn't open. That's the problem with highlight videos, I'd rather have tape that shows his strengths as well as his weaknesses. Does him completing screen passes to a guy that gets a ton YAC for TD really highlight him? Gary Andersen is a spread style coach who has coached at Utah State before so its not like he got the rug totally pulled from under him with a new coach, he just couldn't perform. I just don't like raw prospects that lack the mental aspect of the game, I value winning and performing well, I value the students of the game, Love is just not my kind of guy.

[sdn40]

Interesting to note that the Packers were 10-6 when they drafted Rodgers. Favre had a good year in 2004. Everyone thought this would really light a fire under Favre. Instead he had a bad year in 2006. 20/29 TD/INT. His completion percent of 56.0 was the lowest of his career, before or after 2005. The team went 4-12. They did lose Javon Walker for the season in week 1 and Ahman Green for the season in week 7 (Samkon Gado took over).

You signed Smithx2, Amos, Turner, etc and wev'e heard this a million times. Come play with Aaron Rodgers, hopefully for a discount, and compete for a Super Bowl. Yes, these guys are professionals. Yes they get paid. But the message was clear. Gute said he weighed the present and the future and took the future.
The guys in the locker room know what's needed. San Francisco gained 190 yards BEFORE contact in the NFCCG. Think about how bad it has to be for that to happen. One WR#2 was demoted to WR#6. Another WR#2 was allowed to walk without even a lowball offer. But the board sucked ? Please. There were DL, OL, WR, ILB all available.
Check out the track record of QB's taken outside the Top 10. It ain't good. As a matter of fact, it's horrible. After last years debacle in the First Round, Gute might want to ace the rest of this draft or start looking over his shoulder.
I expect a down year. No player will cop to it, but the message sent was not a good one

[mkegb]

I have a feeling a lot of people will warm up to this pick after they slept it off.

Got 7.5 hours of sleep last night. Haven’t warmed up to this yet.

Yeah, I think I hate even more and I read and see more about him.

Just a waste of a pick. Hell, I would have taken an OT over this pick or traded down.

[mkegb]

And Love’s interview last night was very unimpressive. Not that it should matter much but it seems to highlight that he doesn’t come off as a very bright guy.

[Jollay]

Queen will be a stud. Love won’t even be playing QB in 2025.

Over the years my draft prep has gone way down and I generally have one or two hot takes but am not fully studied on a lot of the players.

I do watch a lot of college football, however.

I watched Queen's highlights after he was picked and was reminded that he is tiny as hell. Sure, that's great for trying to cover RBs and slot WRs if he gets matched up there, but he could be a major injury risk or just get the **** kicked out of him in the run game as well.

But the Ravens do generally get this stuff right so what do I know. He might a stud.

It doesn't boil down to Queen or one player. Then trade up for Murray.

How many years in a row do we pass on ILBs that turn out to be absolute studs? Eric Kendricks, Tremaine Edmunds, even Benardrick McKinney?

Pick any. We always pass on the position and it shows on the field. And as the Smiths age whatever mid round pick we put there will be exposed even more year after after year.

[msiris]

Idk how scouts can be this far apart on a player lol.

McGinn what scouts said before the draft.

AFC scout: “He’s physically gifted but he’s not accurate. He is a good athlete. He played decently last year but then the coach (Matt Wells) went to Texas Tech. He can run and has a decent arm. I don’t like him. Fourth or fifth round. Look at the Jordan Love that played against Michigan State (in 2018) and Wake Forest this year, not the Jordan Love that plays against New Mexico and Colorado State. The guy that he’s closest to is Jameis Winston. I’d grade Winston higher because he played at Florida State and won a national championship. When Jordan Love came out of high school he had one scholarship offer. Now people tell me, ‘Last year under Matt Wells he had a great season.’ I said the new coach, Gary Andersen, is a better coach than Wells. … I don’t like his mechanics. I don’t like his decision-making. He has a strong arm. He’s not a big-time athlete. Lamar Jackson’s mechanics and decision-making weren’t that great but Lamar Jackson could run and break them down. This guy is not a runner. … He can’t do the stuff (Patrick) Mahomes does. Mahomes was not as fast but Mahomes was a much better pure athlete. Neither one is a runner.”

AFC scout: “If he doesn’t go first round it’s because of character. He has the skill set to go first round. … It’s more stupid, immaturity ****. He’s not a brain surgeon when it comes to football. He’s not super dumb. But he’s not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or anything approaching that level.”

NFC scout: “First round for sure. I have him No. 2 behind Tua (Tagovailoa). Super talented, moxie, excellent feel. He throws the ball from all the angles: on the move, under pressure. Has vision. Had a lot of picks: ‘I’m just going to throw this ball in there.’ He’s under siege just about every time he drops back because his offensive line is not good. He’s got nowhere close to NFL receivers; they can’t get open and drop balls. He has to elevate his game on every play and elevate the whole team on every play. One of the best plays you’ll see was in the LSU game when he escapes the pocket and he’s out on the move and throws the ball across his body and it hits (the receiver) in the chest and he drops the ball. That’s just kind of him in a nutshell. I’d prefer it if he goes somewhere where he doesn’t have to play next year.”

AFC scout: “Talented. A lot of upside. He has starter talent. With the coaching change and the lack of talent he had around him, it hurt him. If he can sit behind an established veteran for a couple of years and learns how to be a pro. … “

NFC scout: “He has the most physical upside of any of these guys. The great ones make it look easy. He makes it look easy. He’s an effortless thrower. He played with nobody around him. This year he was just out there winging it trying to make plays to win games. Did he develop some bad habits? Yeah, of course, he did. But you can rein that in. It’s (easier) to get guys that like to play it safe and check down and be chain-movers. It’s hard to get those guys that push the ball down the field. He’s the only quarterback I ever scouted who will throw into bigger windows as a pro than he did in college. Those guys did not get open for him. If he ends up outside the top 10 we could be saying, ‘How the heck did Jordan Love last that long?’ He’s just got that play-making ability. … He played with nobody around him. Lost an NFL tight end (Dax Raymond), lost an NFL running back (Darwin Thompson). People knock his decision-making. He was 32-6 (touchdown to interception ratio) in 2018 and 21-17 this year. That’s not decision-making. That’s a guy trying to make plays to win games. … He’s really cool. He’s got a nice calm about him. If anyone says he didn’t play well against LSU, lose credibility for that person. He played well against LSU, and his guys let him down. He put the ball on the money and guys were dropping balls on him. The talent discrepancy on that field that day was enormous.”

NFC scout: “The body language was awful and the accuracy was worse. He didn’t look like he knew what he was doing or that he wanted to play. There were numerous times he’s looking right at an open wideout or a tight end coming right in the middle and the two linebackers are on the hashes and there’s a receiver standing in the middle of the field and he doesn’t throw it to him. Or he throws it to him late. I don’t think he’s correctable. … I don’t see the production. I don’t see the attitude. Boy, he is a good-looking kid. He does have a strong arm. But he’s not decisive. He got pulled out of at least two games. He’s got first-round talent if you overlook the accuracy. I don’t think he’s accurate and I think his vision is really limited. I don’t see Patrick Mahomes in him. He’s mobile, but he’s not that mobile.”

NFC scout: “He’s talented. He is. He’s a little erratic with the accuracy but he can do things with the ball. He can run. He’s got a strong arm. It’s just the field vision, the decision-making. Granted, a different coordinator this year and he was throwing to receivers that were 5-8. … He’s a risk-reward guy. You question the makeup. He got arrested for weed. You don’t want the face of your franchise getting arrested for weed. … It’s going to take some time because the offense he played in is pretty simple. But a terrific athlete, quick release, plenty of arm, big hands, great touch, accurate on the move. But poor decisions, question his focus, his vision, his accuracy against pressure. He’s soft-spoken and confident. Not great on the board. You know, good luck.”

AFC scout: “He’s got physical upside. He’s inconsistent game to game. You wish he made more good decisions at times. His accuracy is OK, not elite.”

AFC scout: “I’m not a fan. Everybody else seems to be. Does he make smart decisions? I don’t think so. Average arm strength. Slow decision-maker. I don’t know if he reads coverages. Wide receivers have to work to make tough adjustment catches. Elusive, not fast. Everybody keeps telling me 2018 was different. Why did he regress? There’s a lot of excuses. Somebody’s going to take a shot here. I don’t know if it’s worth it. Some people have tried to compare him to Mahomes but I don’t see it.”

AFC scout: “Don’t like him. Excellent athlete. Arm talent. Has never been coached and no supporting cast, but I worry about the intangibles. Ain’t my kind of guy.”

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Because he was **** last year and great the year before,

[mkegb]

Did AJ Hawk scare the packers away from picking a ILB in the first round ever again?

[Kerb Hohl]

Queen will be a stud. Love won’t even be playing QB in 2025.

Over the years my draft prep has gone way down and I generally have one or two hot takes but am not fully studied on a lot of the players.

I do watch a lot of college football, however.

I watched Queen's highlights after he was picked and was reminded that he is tiny as hell. Sure, that's great for trying to cover RBs and slot WRs if he gets matched up there, but he could be a major injury risk or just get the **** kicked out of him in the run game as well.

But the Ravens do generally get this stuff right so what do I know. He might a stud.

It doesn't boil down to Queen or one player. Then trade up for Murray.

How many years in a row do we pass on ILBs that turn out to be absolute studs? Eric Kendricks, Tremaine Edmunds, even Benardrick McKinney?

Pick any. We always pass on the position and it shows on the field. And as the Smiths age whatever mid round pick we put there will be exposed even more year after after year.

Yeah, I know, but I was talking about Queen, specifically.

[jimmybones]

My Booger McFarland analysis:

I really hope Jordan Love becomes the next Patrick Mahomes. That would be good news.

[Jollay]

Yeah, I know, but I was talking about Queen, specifically.

Thats cool. But mid decade I was told in this forum we can't get a run stuffer because we need someone to cover. Now the opposite with Queen.

Queen would have at least provided us a ton more blitz options and coverage ability than Blake.

Well, maybe Gute will give him Z.Smith money after he's a borderline all-Pro with the Ravens...

[WeekapaugGroove]

Playing chess assuming seasons cancelled???????

I think there is a lot to this observation. This feels like a Mark Murphy move, explaining to Gutekunst and staff that the season isn’t opening on time, there won’t be fans in Lambeau, and that they might as well use that environment to bring in A-rods replacement in that environment.

Personally I don’t feel like this team was one or two players away from the Super Bowl. Whether this was the right guy, who knows. His arm looks amazing, his footwork in the pocket looks a little too jerky.

I was wondering before the draft if some teams would take projects because they know without much practice time you can't count on ANY rookies to contribute. Basically making picks for 21 and beyond.

After a night to think about I'm still in the same boat, not the pick I would have made but if he's good he could be fun. QB is the most important position in sports so if you like a guy I can't fault them for going that route. Hope it works out.



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[MickeyDavis]

I don't think a raw QB prospect like Love should be a 1st round pick let alone one you trade up for, can't read coverages and very poor decision making but hey he can throw it deep on the run OOF! Maybe during these 3 years he'll learn to play QB, sitting on the bench will make him better I'm sure.

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Why do people keep saying look at 2018?! Why would he regress?! That should be a major concern.

He had Gary freakin Andersen as coach last season.

[MAC1987]

Wow. Those interceptions showed he made poor decisions. Wasn't under pressure.

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[M-C-G]

Basically everything is playing out the same way it did with Favre...people wanted more weapons for Favre and the majority of the WRs in that range were busts. They got Jennings the next year and played in the NFC title game, should've played in the Super Bowl 2 years later.

I have no idea, I'm 99.9% sure this won't turn out as well as Rodgers and obviously it's even a stretch to think Love will turn out somewhat well...but I like the raw talent. I'll take this.

We lost by 1000 to the 49ers and weren't really as good of a team as our record last year, thousands of fans berated Rodgers' fading play last year...but now we were just a WR or (tiny) ILB away.

This isn't staunch support of the move and I'm shocked they did it but I'll also listen. Put me on the Love bandwagon.

SF got an impact defensive player and we passed on one. They also added a very good WR. And what do we do, draft a QB that might start in 3 years?!

He has to be a stud quarterback in order to draft him now. Better be top 5.

To be fair, they got an impact defensive player by trading an impact defensive player away. So they are up a WR as far as I can tell.


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[XtremeDunkz]

Basically everything is playing out the same way it did with Favre...people wanted more weapons for Favre and the majority of the WRs in that range were busts. They got Jennings the next year and played in the NFC title game, should've played in the Super Bowl 2 years later.

I have no idea, I'm 99.9% sure this won't turn out as well as Rodgers and obviously it's even a stretch to think Love will turn out somewhat well...but I like the raw talent. I'll take this.

We lost by 1000 to the 49ers and weren't really as good of a team as our record last year, thousands of fans berated Rodgers' fading play last year...but now we were just a WR or (tiny) ILB away.

This isn't staunch support of the move and I'm shocked they did it but I'll also listen. Put me on the Love bandwagon.

SF got an impact defensive player and we passed on one. They also added a very good WR. And what do we do, draft a QB that might start in 3 years?!

He has to be a stud quarterback in order to draft him now. Better be top 5.

To be fair, they got an impact defensive player by trading an impact defensive player away. So they are up a WR as far as I can tell.


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And they lost Sanders

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[sdn40]

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Why do people keep saying look at 2018?! Why would he regress?! That should be a major concern.

He had Gary freakin Andersen as coach last season.

I will acknowledge that guy is beyond horrible

[Matches Malone]

And Love’s interview last night was very unimpressive. Not that it should matter much but it seems to highlight that he doesn’t come off as a very bright guy.

I wouldn't glean too much from it. He's probably nervous. Remember how awful Horst was in his first press conference? LOL

[Kerb Hohl]

And Love’s interview last night was very unimpressive. Not that it should matter much but it seems to highlight that he doesn’t come off as a very bright guy.

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