Packers First Round - Jordan Love - POLL ADDED

[RRyder823]

I just finished getting caught up from where I was last night before bed. Can't believe someone said this could go down as the second worst pick in franchise history behind Mandarich. Holy hyperbole. We went in to the draft with pick #30. We gave up that and a 4th. We could draft two guys who never played a snap with those 2 picks and they would probably at worst be about the 10th worst draft in franchise history just because of how late those picks are. Harrell, Sherrod, half of our first round picks in the last decade are arguably worse than anything we could do with pick 30 even if that pick never does anything.

Not to mention I'll still argue drafting Mandarich was the best thing that happened to this franchise since Lambardi

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[jakecronus8]

I seriously can't believe the biggest issue is "we traded a 4th." WTF? I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

It’s not. It’s just another b*tching point that in a vacuum makes it sound worse.

[chuckleslove]

Question: would you be feeling better, or the same, about drafting Love if GB had drafted Dexter Lawrence or Christian Wilkins or Simmons last year at #12?

I like the pick so personally no. I also think anyone else who says it would is lying because most of the criticism is people thinking we are one 1st round pick from winning it all and having one of those players wouldn't have changed that mindset. They would still want us to be in win now mode.

As opposed to ? Lose now mode ? I choose win now.

Yes because that's what the saying is and the alternative is.

[jakecronus8]

Wondering out loud: if you put Tua on Utah St and Jordan on Bama, where do each get drafted?

I only ask because I think Love is the top 5 pick and Tua is out of round one.

[chuckleslove]

The other super hot take I forgot to comment on is the people saying with a straight face that Murphy and Gute don't care about winning a Super Bowl. The hottest of takes in this thread.

[Profound23]

I have no problem about trading a late 4th round to jump from #30 to #26, but my problem is drafting a young QB instead of a player that can be useful next season.

And it's not only that, but drafting a successor for Rodgers next year or in 2 years would be better in terms of cap as well, because we would get 2 extra years with a starting QB on a rookie deal.

I understand that POV. I was a huge Love fan and said a year ago I would love if we targeted him this year. (I also was/am a Hurts fan so I am curious as to where he goes) Yes, Love's bad season has me questioning his ability....but I still think he could be a very good, or GREAT QB. If I am wrong, so be it. Sure, it is more ideal to wait 2 years but in 2 years maybe someone of his caliber doesn't fall into our laps.....or for the smart a**es, fall 4 picks ahead of us where we have to give up a 4th rounder.

If Rodgers continues to regress the way he has the past 3 years and Love is as good as I think he can be, many will be eating crow about this pick for over a decade. If the opposite happens, well I eat crow and hope that we didn't miss out on a stud player in Queen, or one of these other players.

[MAC1987]

This was a great analysis

Not sure if someone already shared this, but I highly recommend taking the time to watch this entire video. Best thing I've seen regarding Jordan Love.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I seriously can't believe the biggest issue is "we traded a 4th." WTF? I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

Ha come on now you can never underestimate packer fans ability to complain.

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[DigitalFool]

I don't hate Love, think he does have that talent and he's in a good situation in GB (distractions aside) to sit and learn. However, my problem with Love (and any QB) for the Packers in the draft this year is it just wasn't the right time for it. I would have much preferred starting the search next draft for a QB and it's purely financial.

His base contract lines up with Rodgers. So if Rodgers plays out his deal we'll have to use that 5th year option for a 1st round pick. To put that in perspective, the Titans exercised that 5th year option last year with Mariota at 21 million and they had years of playtime to make that decision. In 4 years, that number could be 30 million. If we haven't seen ANY action (and I don't hope for injury), that's going to be tough. Then you'd have a Cousins situation where he'd have the leverage because of the high prices of tags just as a starting point of the next contract.

If we pushed the QB heir apparent search to next year (or year after), at least we'd potentially get that cheap 4th year. That's my big gripe about the decision. I hope Love is the next Packer great, but it's going to cost us a lot to find out.

[Frank Nova]

Does Love have any Taysom Hill characteristics about his game?

I don’t see him blocking punts or being any type of Swiss Army knife but does he have any redeeming qualities as a football player that can be useful as a gadget player atleast?

Serious question...

[ReasonablySober]

I don't hate Love, think he does have that talent and he's in a good situation in GB (distractions aside) to sit and learn. However, my problem with Love (and any QB) for the Packers in the draft this year is it just wasn't the right time for it. I would have much preferred starting the search next draft for a QB and it's purely financial.

His base contract lines up with Rodgers. So if Rodgers plays out his deal we'll have to use that 5th year option for a 1st round pick. To put that in perspective, the Titans exercised that 5th year option last year with Mariota at 21 million and they had years of playtime to make that decision. In 4 years, that number could be 30 million. If we haven't seen ANY action (and I don't hope for injury), that's going to be tough. Then you'd have a Cousins situation where he'd have the leverage because of the high prices of tags just as a starting point of the next contract.

If we pushed the QB heir apparent search to next year (or year after), at least we'd potentially get that cheap 4th year. That's my big gripe about the decision. I hope Love is the next Packer great, but it's going to cost us a lot to find out.

Mariota's number was so high because he was taken 2nd. Beeshad Perriman was taken where Love was and his number would have been $9.1 million.

Love's 5th year option is going to be a drop in the bucket.

[DigitalFool]

For some reason I thought it was positional factored, not draft slot. If slot, makes sense.

[ReasonablySober]

For some reason I thought it was positional factored, not draft slot. If slot, makes sense.

I looked into it more and you're actually right.

Additionally, the value of the option itself is no longer tied specifically to draft position and escalators exist for the option to increase based on the performance of the player. For instance, a player that makes the Pro Bowl twice in his first three season would see the valuation of the option increase to the level of the franchise tag for his position. As it currently sits, players in the top 10 picks of the draft have their option value set at the transition tag amount for their position. Picks 11-32 in the first round get a value equal to an average of the third-to-25th ranked salaries for their position.

With the fact sheet saying the option compensation is no longer tied to draft slot, it would seem likely that all 32 picks in the first round would get the initial transition tag valuation for the option year unless they perform well enough to increase the amount to franchise tag levels.

Either way it's good news for the Packers, since it's unlikely Love plays himself into a big 5th year option.

[paulpressey25]

I don't know if it's apropos of anything, but yesterday before the draft, one of my cousins and I were talking about Packer QB's in our lifetimes (We're both in our 60's) and in that of her kids. The only Packer QB's they have seen play are Favre and Rogers. My cousin and I have seen three Hall of Fame level talents in Starr, Favre, Rogers; along with a couple of pretty good QBs in Dickey, and Majkowski, and of course a lot of grade C (and lower) talent. As Packer fans, we've all been spoiled.

That's good perspective. Imagine having Randy Wright/Rich Campbell and other similar guys as the QB for 40 of the 50 years instead of 5 of the 50 like GB has had. That's the experience of a good chunk of teams.

This is the first time I’ve ever seen Rich Campbell mentioned on RealGM. Props!

[Flames24Rulz]

I seriously can't believe the biggest issue is "we traded a 4th." WTF? I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

Yeah, out of all of the things to question about the pick itself, trading a late 4th rounder to move up to #26 should be the least of things to worry about.

[Treebeard]

I don't know if it's apropos of anything, but yesterday before the draft, one of my cousins and I were talking about Packer QB's in our lifetimes (We're both in our 60's) and in that of her kids. The only Packer QB's they have seen play are Favre and Rogers. My cousin and I have seen three Hall of Fame level talents in Starr, Favre, Rogers; along with a couple of pretty good QBs in Dickey, and Majkowski, and of course a lot of grade C (and lower) talent. As Packer fans, we've all been spoiled.

That's good perspective. Imagine having Randy Wright/Rich Campbell and other similar guys as the QB for 40 of the 50 years instead of 5 of the 50 like GB has had. That's the experience of a good chunk of teams.

This is the first time I’ve ever seen Rich Campbell mentioned on RealGM. Props!

Oh, let's see... in no particular order: Jim Del Gaizo, Scott Hunter, David Whitehurst, Jim Zorn. John Hadl, Jerry Tagge. I'm not counting the guys who were mostly backups.

[tski1972]

I don't know if it's apropos of anything, but yesterday before the draft, one of my cousins and I were talking about Packer QB's in our lifetimes (We're both in our 60's) and in that of her kids. The only Packer QB's they have seen play are Favre and Rogers. My cousin and I have seen three Hall of Fame level talents in Starr, Favre, Rogers; along with a couple of pretty good QBs in Dickey, and Majkowski, and of course a lot of grade C (and lower) talent. As Packer fans, we've all been spoiled.

That's good perspective. Imagine having Randy Wright/Rich Campbell and other similar guys as the QB for 40 of the 50 years instead of 5 of the 50 like GB has had. That's the experience of a good chunk of teams.

This is the first time I’ve ever seen Rich Campbell mentioned on RealGM. Props!

Some of us try to forget.

[WeekapaugGroove]

That's good perspective. Imagine having Randy Wright/Rich Campbell and other similar guys as the QB for 40 of the 50 years instead of 5 of the 50 like GB has had. That's the experience of a good chunk of teams.

This is the first time I’ve ever seen Rich Campbell mentioned on RealGM. Props!

Oh, let's see... in no particular order: Jim Del Gaizo, Scott Hunter, David Whitehurst, Jim Zorn. John Hadl, Jerry Tagge. I'm not counting the guys who were mostly backups.

Would Anthony Dilweg or Blair Kiel count?

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[James1980]

If there's one thing I do agree with it's that this probably puts some more pressure on Gary to pan out. But if you come out of the last 3 1st rounds with an All-Pro DT, a franchise Cornerback, and a rookie Safety who's an immediate starter, then you've successfully spent a damn good amount of high draft capital on "immediate impact/NFL-ready" players.

There's still a plethora of WR targets with 1st round grades available. Josh Jones has a Top-20 grade from most mocks I've seen, and he's still there as well. Plenty of "immediate impact" still available to satiate the angry local radio callers because contrary to their beliefs, the draft is more than just the first 32 picks.

When was Clark named All-Pro DT?

[James1980]

I seriously can't believe the biggest issue is "we traded a 4th." WTF? I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

It’s not. It’s just another b*tching point that in a vacuum makes it sound worse.

We want something to help us next year, we don't give a F about a 4th round pick.